Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
02-23-2006, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Found an outrageous deal on a w220 S500 engine w/49k miles on her also comes w/6month warranty It'll be swapped in this time next month @ Mechtech and we'll see what an S500 (no more S430 bye bye bye....) w/all these new HPS upgrades can put down to the rear wheels 
Motor cost $3000 + my core exchange + install labor @/MT $2200
Totals $5200
Modding value to me priceless, I luv 
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Motor cost $3000 + my core exchange + install labor @/MT $2200
Totals $5200
Modding value to me
priceless, I luv HorsePower
It included complete engine, transmission and ecu, basically all you need to do a swap, except for a rear diff. I got my engine on ebay from Belgium. Longest wait ever, but it should be worth it for the added HP.
02-23-2006, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard023
I've seen the Cooling Mist deluxe kit on a Cobra SVT and I like the idea with the nozzle clog sensor & Vari-Cool controller, a local shop (B&D Racing) is a distributor. I hear CM and Snow Performance are popular setups amongst the Mustang & SRT-4 crowds. Hey, I still have that video of your friendly run (pre- HPS) against Craig's SRT-4... HEET (yellow bottle) also works well for mixture, and the dual lines can easily be plugged.
Sean - Nice catch on the S500 motor, so I guess the C6 project is put on hold...I do hope in the future you come to your senses and switch over to the side. 
HEET (yellow bottle) also works well for mixture, and the dual lines can easily be plugged.Sean - Nice catch on the S500 motor, so I guess the C6 project is put on hold...I do hope in the future you come to your senses and switch over to the
side. side, I figure this last project will not only satisfy me temporarily in my ever growing need for HP, but will be a big ++on resale when I let her go...I couldn't pass it up I figure I'll get the car runing top notch & keep it for another 6-8months...
I can't bare the thought of keeping this car till it's only worth like 12-14 grand
I'll cut free of it and let some lucky bast*ard inheriit my plethora of mods Then yes I will join you on the Dark Side C
666I want both but I don't like being in the red
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02-23-2006, 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Ohh I'm still on the dark side, I figure this last project will not only satisfy me temporarily in my ever growing need for HP, but will be a big ++on resale when I let her go...
I couldn't pass it up I figure I'll get the car runing top notch & keep it for another 6-8months...
I can't bare the thought of keeping this car till it's only worth like 12-14 grand I'll cut free of it and let some lucky bast*ard inheriit my plethora of mods
Then yes I will join you on the Dark Side C 666
I want both but I don't like being in the red
side, I figure this last project will not only satisfy me temporarily in my ever growing need for HP, but will be a big ++on resale when I let her go...I couldn't pass it up I figure I'll get the car runing top notch & keep it for another 6-8months...
I can't bare the thought of keeping this car till it's only worth like 12-14 grand
I'll cut free of it and let some lucky bast*ard inheriit my plethora of mods Then yes I will join you on the Dark Side C
666I want both but I don't like being in the red
02-23-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pshek
There's a E55K engine on ebay for $12,500. Shipped free from Netherlands to California. It included complete engine, transmission and ecu, basically all you need to do a swap, except for a rear diff. I got my engine on ebay from Belgium. Longest wait ever, but it should be worth it for the added HP.
It included complete engine, transmission and ecu, basically all you need to do a swap, except for a rear diff. I got my engine on ebay from Belgium. Longest wait ever, but it should be worth it for the added HP.
02-23-2006, 07:00 PM
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2006 Weistec 3.0L SC'd C55, 2006 MaxPsi PT6466 Turbo'd M3, 2019 Maserati GTS , 2020Alfa Quadrifoglio
Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
Check the plugs they may be fouled.Car sounds like it's running very very rich at idle and the onset of boost.This could also be ,like I said a sign of bad plugs after all this trial and error.Sputter,sputter sputter! Check that first!Clean new set of plugs can make a world of a difference.
Check that first!Clean new set of plugs can make a world of a difference.Btw. My check engine lights that indicate my AFR is running too rich will be taken car of this weekend after I install the NGKs.
Vadim, Josh R and others correctly stated that I will have drivability issues UNTIL the car has been tuned under daily driving conditions. Normally this would take anywhere from a few weeks to even a few months to perfect the ECU for a particular model car. He will try to fastrack it (but not sacrifice perfection) to 2 (Sat and Sun) days of tuning while car is being driven.
I should have the car back by Monday FULLY and PERMANENTLY tuned under WOT AND daily driving conditions. Afterwards all the HPS C55's will get the same program that was developed using my car as part of the ECU upgrade option. Not sure if and when owners of other models will have this whole ECU package.
02-23-2006, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
I often wonder if the aftercooler is the problem in your system. It looks very small and restrictive, it may be reducing the air flow into the motor. This month I should be able to get 380whp once I add the chemical cooler.
02-23-2006, 08:19 PM
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2006 Weistec 3.0L SC'd C55, 2006 MaxPsi PT6466 Turbo'd M3, 2019 Maserati GTS , 2020Alfa Quadrifoglio
Originally Posted by rbaker
The hardware needs to be baselined & the software reverse engineered enough to know where & how to change the code. We're not just talking a few lines here either. There needs to be much dyno testing while tuning it in, and street driving in different conditions & altitudes as well, all with adaptation turned off. Then the adaptation can be turned back on after everything is dialed in correctly by someone who knows how. Lots of luck if they can do that properly in a couple days...
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Another great tip! I am going to replace the stock platinum plugs with the colder NGK-BKR7E that Jim recommended for all SC'd benzs. I think someone else on this thread gave me the same part number.
BKR7E
B = Thread Diameter of 14mm
K = Construction type: Hex Size 5/8" w/ ISO Projection Tip
R = Resistor Type Plug
7 = Heat Range #7
E (Stand-alone Digit) = V-Grooved center electrode w/ 1.5mm diameter electrode.
6097 pregapped at (0.0315")
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Originally Posted by Richard023
For the price (approx. $35.00 a set of 20 @ NAPA), they are good quality plugs. Drawback is they don't last long. Part code = 6097
BKR7E
B = Thread Diameter of 14mm
K = Construction type: Hex Size 5/8" w/ ISO Projection Tip
R = Resistor Type Plug
7 = Heat Range #7
E (Stand-alone Digit) = V-Grooved center electrode w/ 1.5mm diameter electrode.
6097 pregapped at (0.0315")
BKR7E
B = Thread Diameter of 14mm
K = Construction type: Hex Size 5/8" w/ ISO Projection Tip
R = Resistor Type Plug
7 = Heat Range #7
E (Stand-alone Digit) = V-Grooved center electrode w/ 1.5mm diameter electrode.
6097 pregapped at (0.0315")
Good info but i believe the factory platinum plugs are also at 7 heat range (it could be also at 11 heat range #). Now how about this plug.
NGK BCP7ES
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02-24-2006, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Good info but i believe the factory platinum plugs are also at 7 heat range (it could be also at 11 heat range #). Now how about this plug.
NGK BCP7ES
NGK BCP7ES
02-24-2006, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
I would agree with RBAKER. I remember when I added cams to my M3 with HFM, software and larger injectors that my MPG read wrong. The stock OBC couldn't communicate with the new motor software and injectors. There is a chance you are getting the MPG's the computer is saying but I would check for yourself, the old school way.
I will monitor until tank is empty and also monitor the next full tank of gas.
So far you guys appear right! Oh shucks!
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Originally Posted by Clk&Slk
Good info but i believe the factory platinum plugs are also at 7 heat range (it could be also at 11 heat range #).
02-27-2006, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Found an outrageous deal on a w220 S500 engine w/49k miles on her also comes w/6month warranty It'll be swapped in this time next month @ Mechtech and we'll see what an S500 (no more S430 bye bye bye....) w/all these new HPS upgrades can put down to the rear wheels
Motor cost $3000 + my core exchange + install labor @/MT $2200
Totals $5200
Modding value to me priceless, I luv HorsePower
Motor cost $3000 + my core exchange + install labor @/MT $2200
Totals $5200
Modding value to me
priceless, I luv HorsePower l
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Sharing vid of HPS Gen 1
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[QUOTE=coolcarlskiC43]That's alot of wrk and dough for only 22ft lbs of Tq more than the AMG C43 4.3L motor.I think you'll only notice minimal difference for the $$(4.3 to 5.0).Be patient and look and wait for a 5.5L motor like a couple of us have.You'll notice a world of a difference and you won't regret it!
Ahh Your facts are slightly off, S430 motor has 275 HP 295 TO S500 has 302 HP 339 TO that's 44 more torque & 27 HP and a difference from 0-60 of S430-6.9 & S500-6.1...
Allready talked to Jim, & Bill both say they can run more boost than 5.4's + new gen II tweeks there expecting the 500 motors to make 380-390 rwhp Bill said they did some partial ecu tuning only to a CLS500 w/gen II and got 365 rwhp w/out more boost or bigger injecters...So in summation the 500 is a great idea/platform and will increase my hp dramaticly....
Even your C43 motor only had 302 torque What are you talking about that would make it 37 ft lbs more??
I'll be getting the performance of the 5.4 w/blower @ a fraction of the price
Ahh Your facts are slightly off, S430 motor has 275 HP 295 TO S500 has 302 HP 339 TO that's 44 more torque & 27 HP and a difference from 0-60 of S430-6.9 & S500-6.1...
Allready talked to Jim, & Bill both say they can run more boost than 5.4's + new gen II tweeks there expecting the 500 motors to make 380-390 rwhp Bill said they did some partial ecu tuning only to a CLS500 w/gen II and got 365 rwhp w/out more boost or bigger injecters...So in summation the 500 is a great idea/platform and will increase my hp dramaticly....
Even your C43 motor only had 302 torque What are you talking about that would make it 37 ft lbs more??
I'll be getting the performance of the 5.4 w/blower @ a fraction of the price
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Originally Posted by sdsilverm3
Sounds mean. The GenII must be a different SC because I didn't hear the whine on Robert's car.
The GenII must be a different SC because I didn't hear the whine on Robert's car.Next week at the Rose Bowl, I'll let you drive the car for a few miles on the freeway to get a feel for the new power. Jesse is finishing with the final tuning on my car after the rain subsides (two days of road tuning). This is custom tuning beyond anything one can buy off-the-shelf.
All the C55 HPS owners have GOT TO THANK ME for setting the bar higher and higher as this "Enhanced" system will be available in all future kits. My butt dyno honestly "feels" that this car is making over 440rwhp right now with 8+lbs of boost with this cold weather and the 50lb Bosch injectors. I'm accelerating so fast from 20mph to 100mph that the hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.
By swapping to colder spark plugs (stock Bosch-IFR6D10 per my dealer based on my VIN#) and going to FR4's and getting the torque converter adjusted I should get another 50rwhp because the split second stutter when accelerating is probably due to detonation caused by extreme boost in cold weather and 91 Octane gas.
So far I have not paid a dime out of my pocket. I know I've been inconvenienced but I think future customers will not be because this kit will be perfected by then.
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Damn....personally, the sc noise was a turn off for me.
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Sorry you didn't like the shound, but that is the sound of a supercharger that works.
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Sorry you didn't like the shound, but that is the sound of a supercharger that works.
Oh really........you dare to race AMGSC?
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Sorry you didn't like the shound, but that is the sound of a supercharger that works.
