Need Advice on Adding More Power to HPS SC
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
I was wondering how much boost the 2.75" pulley will give you?
Also I understand about wanting to stay with HPS. You have invested alot of time and money into this project and I'm sure you would like to see a reward for all your hard work. I went through a simlar project with a company named RMS with my M3.
I'm sure HPS will make the power promised but there is no way the car will be safe for very long. The 2.85" should be plenty for the power you want, I wouldn't go any smaller. Remeber I'm making almost the same amount of power you are with only 5lbs of boost, stock injectors and no ECU tunning.
You seem like a really good guy, I pray nothing bad happens to your car.
BTW, we still need to have lunch.
Mario
Also I understand about wanting to stay with HPS. You have invested alot of time and money into this project and I'm sure you would like to see a reward for all your hard work. I went through a simlar project with a company named RMS with my M3.
I'm sure HPS will make the power promised but there is no way the car will be safe for very long. The 2.85" should be plenty for the power you want, I wouldn't go any smaller. Remeber I'm making almost the same amount of power you are with only 5lbs of boost, stock injectors and no ECU tunning.
You seem like a really good guy, I pray nothing bad happens to your car.
BTW, we still need to have lunch.
Mario
when it comes to this saga but the hassle of court appearances, more legal expenses, possible damage from removing HPS charger, long waiting for settelment, etc...makes me put up with just one more effort on their part.Their contract basically waives all liabilities(fitness of use, merchantibility, etc...) so I would have to sue for Fraud which is the only way I can recover punitive damages and the burden of proof is much greater. They can just say that the dyno chart sent to me was an honest mistake since the dyno did not have my name typed on it.
Right now they are simply installing a heavy-duty intercooler water pump and having Jesse complete the tuning on my car at WOT. Apparently I was wrong about applying AEM technology to my car since they are developing an upgraded and portable DAK for HPS although the engineer is having dialogue with Jesse about the lastest ECU protocols so that Jesse will get more safe power out of my car this week. Jim also confirmed that the MP122 will be arriving (4-5 units) to Mechtech in a few weeks and they want to install the 1st Gen III on my car in June. I hear from Linh that MT is repairing his car right now so I at least they are not leaving Linh hanging. I saw his car at the shop last Friday.
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Originally Posted by The Godfather
Hey guys, what's the fuss all about? I'm dropping off my car tomorrow at Mechtech to get a 2nd gen HPS s/c in my W210 55. I was told that they worked all the bugs out. I'm getting it for super cheap too, $8k installed, beat that Kleemann!!! woo hoo! 500WHP here I come!
BTW. Here was the INDEPENDENT DYNO on 03/14/06 before the 03/31/06 HPS dyno of 386whp. Superior Automotive did not run this dyno correctly because the curve looks f'd up but it is right between HoP and HPS's latest numbers.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I think they may be discounting the Gen II because the Gen III is due out shortly. Why don't you wait until the final verdict on my car before pulling the trigger?
BTW. Here was the INDEPENDENT DYNO on 03/14/06 before the 03/31/06 HPS dyno of 386whp. Superior Automotive did not run this dyno correctly because the curve looks f'd up but it is right between HoP and HPS's latest numbers.
BTW. Here was the INDEPENDENT DYNO on 03/14/06 before the 03/31/06 HPS dyno of 386whp. Superior Automotive did not run this dyno correctly because the curve looks f'd up but it is right between HoP and HPS's latest numbers.
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Originally Posted by dragonAMG
Those dyno numbers are pretty bad. My C55 had a baseline dyno of 306 rwhp STOCK.
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For the price you paid and time spent, you could have gotten a Kleeman kit with almost as much rwhp as DragonAMG's old car. Remember, you get what you pay for. And with HPS, you may not get what you paid for. Did you expect all this 
to happen when you first ordered the kit a year ago? HPS is just giving you empty promises. In regards to litigation, I wouldn't expect any other companies to help you since you denied other's advice and help. Litigation fees will cost as much as your car. You're on your own buddy. I guess it's time for you to go a third round with HPS' gen III kit??? 
to happen when you first ordered the kit a year ago? HPS is just giving you empty promises. In regards to litigation, I wouldn't expect any other companies to help you since you denied other's advice and help. Litigation fees will cost as much as your car. You're on your own buddy. I guess it's time for you to go a third round with HPS' gen III kit???
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I think they may be discounting the Gen II because the Gen III is due out shortly. Why don't you wait until the final verdict on my car before pulling the trigger?
I asked HPS a year ago if they had a blower kit for my M112 engine and they said no. In retrospect, their refusal saved me a whole lot of money. They didn't even bother to give any other alternatives for performance mods. That's because their gen II kit is the only marketable product they have. A real tuning shop like HoP gave me a lot of options for performance mods before I got the C32 motor. Now, I wouldn't get the HPS kit for even a "five finger discount."
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There is no GEN III. I must be imagining the whole thing Sorry folks but I'm going to disapear from this thread until the car if FINAL!
Thanks for putting up with me guys!
Sorry folks but I'm going to disapear from this thread until the car if FINAL!Thanks for putting up with me guys!
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Just got my car back
I got my car back after HPS tried some improvments to the Kit. They installed an faster intercooler pump and an even larger heat exchanger core but the temperatures did not drop much at all. They were dissapointed with the test pieces and so for now my car still has the original intercooler pump and heat exchanger.
Does anybody know a benz tuner that can modify the ECU on a 2006 C55 so that the car doesn't downshift at WOT under full SC boost? I read on Magnuson's website that they offer a software programmer that provides for "Torque Conversion Strategies". I feel this is what I need in order to squeeze another 25-30whp out of my car. I will be glad to pay handsomely for this service.
Does anybody know a benz tuner that can modify the ECU on a 2006 C55 so that the car doesn't downshift at WOT under full SC boost? I read on Magnuson's website that they offer a software programmer that provides for "Torque Conversion Strategies". I feel this is what I need in order to squeeze another 25-30whp out of my car. I will be glad to pay handsomely for this service.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
I got my car back after HPS tried some improvments to the Kit. They installed an faster intercooler pump and an even larger heat exchanger core but the temperatures did not drop much at all. They were dissapointed with the test pieces and so for now my car still has the original intercooler pump and heat exchanger.
Does anybody know a benz tuner that can modify the ECU on a 2006 C55 so that the car doesn't downshift at WOT under full SC boost? I read on Magnuson's website that they offer a software programmer that provides for "Torque Conversion Strategies". I feel this is what I need in order to squeeze another 25-30whp out of my car. I will be glad to pay handsomely for this service.
Does anybody know a benz tuner that can modify the ECU on a 2006 C55 so that the car doesn't downshift at WOT under full SC boost? I read on Magnuson's website that they offer a software programmer that provides for "Torque Conversion Strategies". I feel this is what I need in order to squeeze another 25-30whp out of my car. I will be glad to pay handsomely for this service.
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Originally Posted by BlownS430
I don't understand?? I thought they were going to install the gen III in your 55, and that is supose to put down 450whp why are they still messing w/gen II?
I thought they were going to upgrade my pump and heat exchanger but they were only test pieces so I guess they were only using my car for thier own testing and not to give me any free upgrades for volunteering my car.
A few little birdies even told me that they were just using my car to test a new FMU on an 2006 car and that they just removed Jesse's program when testing and restored after dyno testing my car with this FMU. They even warned me that their probably is no such thing as a new pump and heat exchanger and they made it up in order to get me to lend them the car for 1 week and 1 day. I was never at MT to verify that they tested the faster pump and larger heat exchanger so I can't deny this rumor. All I know is that I lost the use of my car for a week and got no upgrades. Needless to say I'm more dissapointed than Bill.
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Will you still be going to the dyno day Saturday? I was hoping to meet the guy with the longest thread.
So what does this mean for you and your car? What numbers did you end up with?
The FMU is funny because Adam told me that there is no way in Hell to add an FMU to your car, and now here we are. Have you spoken to Shell aka "AMG Guy" on Benzworld? He just had his E430 tunned by Jesse and claims he is making even more power. So I'm guessing he is somewhere in the 370whp range. This doesn't sound right since you have the 55 motor and the same blower set up, yet he is making more than your set up.
Hopefully I will have my car back together for Saturday. I had the superchargers intake and exhuast pipes smoothed out. I'm hoping this will help make more power. Even if you don't dyno your car, you should show up anyways.
Mario
So what does this mean for you and your car? What numbers did you end up with?
The FMU is funny because Adam told me that there is no way in Hell to add an FMU to your car, and now here we are. Have you spoken to Shell aka "AMG Guy" on Benzworld? He just had his E430 tunned by Jesse and claims he is making even more power. So I'm guessing he is somewhere in the 370whp range. This doesn't sound right since you have the 55 motor and the same blower set up, yet he is making more than your set up.
Hopefully I will have my car back together for Saturday. I had the superchargers intake and exhuast pipes smoothed out. I'm hoping this will help make more power. Even if you don't dyno your car, you should show up anyways.
Mario
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Please read the last few of my posts. I never said they were going to install the MP122 (2.0 litre blower) this time around. Who knows? Maybe they just made it up to get my hopes up.
I thought they were going to upgrade my pump and heat exchanger but they were only test pieces so I guess they were only using my car for thier own testing and not to give me any free upgrades for volunteering my car.
A few little birdies even told me that they were just using my car to test a new FMU on an 2006 car and that they just removed Jesse's program when testing and restored after dyno testing my car with this FMU. They even warned me that their probably is no such thing as a new pump and heat exchanger and they made it up in order to get me to lend them the car for 1 week and 1 day. I was never at MT to verify that they tested the faster pump and larger heat exchanger so I can't deny this rumor. All I know is that I lost the use of my car for a week and got no upgrades. Needless to say I'm more dissapointed than Bill.
I thought they were going to upgrade my pump and heat exchanger but they were only test pieces so I guess they were only using my car for thier own testing and not to give me any free upgrades for volunteering my car.
A few little birdies even told me that they were just using my car to test a new FMU on an 2006 car and that they just removed Jesse's program when testing and restored after dyno testing my car with this FMU. They even warned me that their probably is no such thing as a new pump and heat exchanger and they made it up in order to get me to lend them the car for 1 week and 1 day. I was never at MT to verify that they tested the faster pump and larger heat exchanger so I can't deny this rumor. All I know is that I lost the use of my car for a week and got no upgrades. Needless to say I'm more dissapointed than Bill.
about it and he said it gave him more boost.
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Originally Posted by BlownS430
That's interesting about the upgraded intercooler, pump, & heat exchanger info, Richard023 did exactly the same when he had the gen II on his E430, I talked w/Jim from Mcdonalds about doing it to my set-up and he flat out refused saying "That's why Richard removed everything and took his E430 back to stock, It never ran right after the cooling upgrades" Though I talked w/Richard about it and he said it gave him more boost.
about it and he said it gave him more boost.
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Although Adam has advised against bringing my car to HoP, I would love to just meet everybody. I asked Adam to witness my Dyno himself this Saturday to make sure no hokus pokus happens to my car but he refused and added that he might go ballistic if he saw the faces of some of his critics there.
Still I'm curious to see if my car can repeat the 387whp/401 tq at MT this Saturday. To satisfy Adam, I would probably request an unbiased tuner to dyno my car at HoP so that claims about sabotage can be eliminated.
Still I'm curious to see if my car can repeat the 387whp/401 tq at MT this Saturday. To satisfy Adam, I would probably request an unbiased tuner to dyno my car at HoP so that claims about sabotage can be eliminated.
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[QUOTE=AMGSC]Although Adam has advised against bringing my car to HoP, I would love to just meet everybody. I asked Adam to witness my Dyno himself this Saturday to make sure no hokus pokus happens to my car but he refused and added that he might go ballistic if he saw the faces of some of his critics there.
Adam Go Ballistic.....lol Thats a Good one
Please Invite Adam and HIS crew..Sat Should be Fun for all!
Adam Go Ballistic.....lol Thats a Good one
Please Invite Adam and HIS crew..Sat Should be Fun for all!
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Even if Adam doesn't show up and there is no fight around the flag pole, it will still be great if you make it. I guess I won't be putting my car back together until tomorrow morning. Time is running out and as of now my car has zero wheel hp
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Originally Posted by E55Cent
Will you still be going to the dyno day Saturday? I was hoping to meet the guy with the longest thread.
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Originally Posted by rbaker
If only AMGSC got a dollar for each post on this thread, maybe he'd at least be on the road to paying himself back for some of the pain & suffering HPS has put him thru...
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Originally Posted by rbaker
If only AMGSC got a a dollar for each post on this thread, maybe he'd at least be on the road to paying himself back for some of the pain & suffering HPS has put him thru...
I'm sure another HPS customer may start up a new thread soon but I think I've rode this thread to the end with th finale being my public dyno. Gen III will never be disclosed anyway and who knows if it will be just as controversial as Gen II.
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I wouldn't sign anything like that. What if you engine blew up the day after? You're SOL and 30K lighter and probably lose all the warranty on your '06 C55. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. No matter what kind of favors they offer you, they've screwed you so many times and you shouldn't bend over backwards to let them shove it up your butt again. It'll only hurt more.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
OK OK. So you guys are getting bored with this thread. I've just been asked by HPS to kill this entire thread in return for some undisclosed favors. Maybe I'll just wait until GTG DYNO day is over this Saturday. Let me know if I should kill this whole thread and whether it would still serve a useful purpose for forum members. I've also been asked to sign a Confidentiality Agreement so that I can never leak any information about what they are doing. What's the going rate for succumbing to their request? If I do this then any litigation evidence will be gone forever.
I'm sure another HPS customer may start up a new thread soon but I think I've rode this thread to the end with th finale being my public dyno. Gen III will never be disclosed anyway and who knows if it will be just as controversial as Gen II.
I'm sure another HPS customer may start up a new thread soon but I think I've rode this thread to the end with th finale being my public dyno. Gen III will never be disclosed anyway and who knows if it will be just as controversial as Gen II.
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Originally Posted by AMGSC
Still I'm curious to see if my car can repeat the 387whp/401 tq at MT this Saturday. To satisfy Adam, I would probably request an unbiased tuner to dyno my car at HoP so that claims about sabotage can be eliminated.
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I've just been asked by HPS to kill this entire thread in return for some undisclosed favors
Secondly, this thread could be easily kept alive by moderators, no matter what HPS asks you to sign.
In the end, many of us, including myself, wish you a resolution that keeps you and your C55 in great health and in great power.
And in case you still DO NOT GET IT, HPS aint it.
