EastCoastAMG

Happy New Year Mercedes fans.

I have watched this board for a month now and figured what a better way to start the new year then signing up! This is my first post.

I must admit, I was "driven" to sign up because I noticed a suprising number of C55 owners in the Boston area. I will certainly be looking to catch-up with you guys.

As far as car history goes, I traded my 00 996 for my 05 C55 in October. The Porsche was great, but the upkeep costs are simply rediculous, regardless of how much money one may have. I had the fortune of having both cars for a month, unfortunitely I didn't take any video of the cars going head to head. Let's just say AMG > Porsche. A full car length at 100MPH and no risk of spending 3k to replace a clutch (again and again).

I will add some time slips of me in the car at New England Dragway. Only average - 13.5 @ 106. Brand new tires (terrible 60' time) and 100 octane - don't use it!!!

Dan

ClayJ

Welcome. Congrats. All the usual stuff.
Be seeing ya around....

Vader13

Gt3>amg

vraa

With that rice?

Vader13

omg

zoink

Which 00 996 did you have? Also was it manual or tip? I owned an '02 C4S manual.... For me that car has a shifter/clutch that's hard to master..... The clutch felt too deep to shift fast. Even though paper says '02 C4S should be low-13 car..... I could only get low-14 w/ that car even after almost a year owning it. May be I should've gone to Porsche driving school

But as far as fun to drive, P-car was one of the best car I've ever owned.

Not sure about GT3..... I'd expect even tougher to drive

Childish///AMG

Welcome and enjoy your stay, and "Congrats"

EastCoastAMG

I had a 996 C2 6-speed manual. It was chipped by Autothority and also had the Porsche factory "sport" exhaust. It sounded great. I know what you mean about the clutch, mine was the same way. The buttom line is I just felt as if I really drove it hard (the way I wanted to), I would ultimately pay the price -literally $. The C55 feels more like it was built to drive - or hammer. I know it sounds alittle weird given P's reliability. The AMG just really wants to be driven hard - especially given it is an AUTOMATIC, thus AMG > Porsche.

Vader13

C2's are slow and you have to work for your speed, so the C55 will feel A LOT and is A Lot faster.
Saying AMG ownes Porshce is just f-ing retarded though dewd.

AMG_55

if u drive as hard as i do it wont take u long to experience the horrible reliability of mb.
i've had my diff break twice (replaced under warranty, twice), axles break(warranty), engine/tranny mounts(warranty), suspension bushings 3 times (warranty), many other little drivetrain pieces. if my car was a stick (they dont make it) i wouldve had to pay the $. they cant blame me for this stuff cause its an auto and my service advisor is the best ever :p
plus the cars r too heavy 4 the brakes they come with (at least mine is, i dont have the new 6piston fr. calipers that come on the newer clk and slk 55s)

good luck

btw, given a choice of a 911 or amg, i would go w/ a 911 stick only of course.

mike82y

talking about Porsche.. check this one out

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/05122...-avalanche.php

Happy new year,

Mike

Vader13

Take note that this is a AMG Hates M3 Forum, not AMG hates Porsche..

55fanatic

haha Vader's brand is gettin ragged on...I think I would take a GT3(ricey wing and all) over a C55

Vader13

ppfft that wing kept me on the gorund killing a LS2 vette today at 160 *****..

EastCoastAMG

Using your mentality, if C2's are slow then C4s are even slower. We also know that every Porsche AUTO is slow. So, unless your are driving a TT, GT3 or GT2 your Porsche is slow - again according to your thought process. (I know you have a GT3, but don't loose the point).

I agree with you those 3 models will have there way with most or all AMG's. Don't forget, in this forum we are talking about $55k cars, not so fair to compare them to $99k + cars. Even the slow C2's start at $80k.

I enjoyed the Porsche, however the smart money (under $99k) is with AMG.

EastCoastAMG

Only 160? I did 165 in my slow C2.

EastCoastAMG

Certainly don't hate Porsche, only the service bills.

Vader13

Dude don't be a jerkoff your first week here.
I have owned a C230K Sedan, a C240 and a C32 and ML500
You are a blabbering newb.
If you want reliability get a freaking Toyota, MB's C Classes have terrible relability problems and even worse a major devalue slide.
At least P Cars hold a good piece of their value and the reliablity problems of late model 996's are not bad, sounds like you had some old lemon 996 from 2000 or something.
Go to another board and preach your bull****. and after 05 YOU PAY FOR SERVICE with MB..lmao

now this forum is a good place to watch and learn about the AMG you own. So enjoi your car and the forum.

jpog

Having a bad day, Vader?

Congrats on the C55, AMG. I like both brands for different reasons, but do understand the bits that you appreciate about the C55. Having owned both brands yourself, you certainly are entitled to your opinion of which is better than the other, as is Vader. He just went the other direction, so his opinions are expectedly different from yours. <peace>

JPOG

55fanatic

relax man... You both stepped in the opposite direction, but what I can say is the way I think Vader is looking at it is that the porsches are better cars all around(from what I thought they were pretty reliable compared to other vehicles in the class) as opposed to a C55 which is straight line acceleration. No offense AMG>porsche... I think your wrong on this one, what you confused to be maintenance is just that, your MB in time will prove to be on the non reliable side when your radio stops working(like all the other comman units) and you have the common rattle in the dash just above the shifter and the speakers that consistantly rattle. Not to put down AMG and Benz because they are still great... just completely different Animal from a porsche, compare similar vehicles... Cayenne to ML type of thing, I think the 911s could be better compared to an SLK55 or an SL55(let me know if this comparo is wrong)?
A C55 is entirely different.

Also on a side note AMG>porsche, check your PM box And for any other MA residents check out the New England owners thread in the events section.

Sean, meant nothing bout the Ricey wing comment, love the 911 and hope one day I can have one sitting next to an E55 and I can finally be rid of this ML55.
Peace out!!!

EastCoastAMG

Why the need to be so defensive? Again, I like Porsche, who doesn't? Let me just try to clarify (or blabber) my position one more time. Regarding the reliability, you are correct, as my friends at Ferrari of New England say best, "Porsches are the Honda's of the Supercars". Interesting statement that I agree with totally for numerous reasons. I will come back to this. The only reliabilty problems I had with the C2 were with parts that were not covered by the waranty, primarily the clutch. As you should know, Porsches are know for "tricky" clutches (see how I am still being nice?). I have heard stories from the Tech's at Herb Chambers Porsche (where I always took the car) that they routinely see new P's come in for new clutches with less then 7000 miles. If you don't believe me, call over there and speak to Mica - a trained P mechanic from Germany (just don't want to hear your reply of driver error and all that BS).

Here is the bottom line, I will take the $3100 dollars (cost to replace the clutch) and "invest" that into performance parts for the MB, as opposed to service parts for the P.

More imporantly, don't be so near sited regarding the value (or devalue) side of things. Out in California the Porsches may hold good value but NOT IN NEW ENGLAND. They give Porsches away hear, literally. Do you want 2004 996 for $55k? You can get it hear. So, $85k new and $55k a year (2 model years) old? Not a good value... Don't believe me, come to Boston, you can even stay at my place where we can rump the AMG and not worry about braking anything that I would need to pay for (versus the warrantly)!

By the way, I did keep one key piece of info from you. I only lease, to ensure the entire time I own the automobile it is under warranty. I will never have to worry about the reliability problems (again unless not covered by warranty) with any car...

Getting back to my earlier point, think about this one, Porsche is in an intersting position. Porsche is considered a Supercar, with Ferrari and Lambo. Unfortunitely, you are on the "entry level" side of this spectrum, in the other two owners eyes anyway. You combine that with the fact that you need to be DEFENSIVE to guys talking about AMG's and even EVO's and STi's and you find your self in a tough battle. I understand your frustration.

On a good note (for you), the AMG can't hold a candle to the Porsche in the "chick" factor, way more women like the (name) Porsche better...

EastCoastAMG

Was this the reason you got a little hot? If so sorry, but it is true...

ash-c32

If you need luxury and speed then AMG is superb..
If you need handling and cornering involvement then I think the P cars are better...
But it is possible to love and respect both and having both in your garage would be a GOOD THING.

zoink

If I may add....

If you need reliability and resale value then Honda is the best

Put it this way as it happened one time in my life (C4S, E55, 540i and Maxima):
- P-car and other exotics: Track warrior (twisties, braking, acceleration)
- AMG: Weekend warrior (highway, acceleration, hauling family)
- Honda, Toyota and alike: Commuting warrior (stop 'n go traffic, economy and no worries about mileage)
- And if you want to go off-road, get G-class, range rover or alike.

Mixing one class to another, you will be disappointed.

So.... you should've kept your P-car, get E55 (not C55.... as it's too small and a lot slower) and Odyssey, accord or alike.

Vader13

hhrrrmmppphhhh

All I know is some of these newbs get under my skin.
A Ferrai guy claiming the Porshce is the Honda of Supercars is pretty funny.
That sounds like Porsche guys calling Vette Guys Mullet heads.
It's rich guy bashing and very small ****ed.
Talk about reliabilty issues.
The F Car guys are ALL weekend warriors.
Porshce guys DRIVE.
Although my next car will be a Farrari CS. (even though the GT3 out performs the CS)