The E55 wasnt meant to handle like a sports car though. Your comparing the wrong vehicles. Take a M3 CSL or M3 CS vs the RS4, im not even talking about the new E90 M3 coming out which will dust the AUDI through turns, via a good set up of RWD.

LOL. Dude, you have a c230 and an SLK!

I don't see anything wrong with C&D's number. Just compare it with the MT number and you'll see. The MT car ran quicker 1/4 miles, but traps a lot slower. If not the C&D time is more accurate than the MT time.

a modded C32 can also run 13.2 or even into the 12's and traps a lot higher speed, but it also weights 450lbs less.

I think the main problem is with RS4's weight.

Ha ha, quality put down. Unlucky benzinsider!
Audi's are quality understated cars. The RS4 in the real world is gonna outpace a C55 or, god forbid, an M3. Of course, the anticipated C63 or new M3 is going to be evenquicker than the RS4.
RS4 would only trap 102mph with a true moron behind the wheel.

Well said! Audi clearly does not have the image of BMW or Benz, but they make some very nice cars. Meantime, Benz spent the last 10 years coasting and cost-cutting to the point that they almost lost the image they spent decades creating.

Anyone shopping for a BMW or Benz owes it to themselves to check out the comparable Audi. I spent 15 years in Audis (still have a 2002 TT Roadster for fun), and I own a Benz now just as a change of environment.

If Audi/VW can resolve some reliability/longevity issues, I'll be back in the fold in couple of years.

the base price for the new 412HP M3 is 12k less than the RS-4's base price, at $53,975.....

For Pete's sake guys!!! I just left the Evo and Honda forums to get away from this type of bickering The RS4 is a $73k POS I'd love to own, I just bought a C55 $61k POS, and the evo IX $29k I just sold would kill them both on any track with only $1,740 worth of mods Get my point. You can argue the hp vs et vs mph vs luxury vs ?? all day long. Different things for diferent people with different prices. All are great and offer their own prizes.... Now lets sit back, enjoy each others company, and be thankful we aren't driving Kia's

I was under the impression that this was a rumored price and the cars are not nearly equivalently equipped. Someone in this thread computed a equivalently equipped M3 at about $69K.

http://forums.audiworld.com/rs4b7/th...10.phtml#16258

And if recent BMWs are any indication, interior quality of the cars will not be close to the same in my opinion. Even the brake calipers on the new M5, M6 and ZM4 look like they come off a 318. Truely disappointing compared to MB and Audi.

base for base you would have to add metallic paint, parktroinic, heated front seats and nappa leather to the Bimmer to be about even.... so maybe it's a $10,000 difference.....

yes, if you added ALL the options listed for the M3, then you finally get to 69k..... but that would include options not available on the Audi....

as for build quality/interior, you probably are right, I have no idea.... I've never been impressed too much by BMW interior aside from the 7 series..

C55 is not listed for 2007..... if they give it the same engine as the CLK63, it's going to be a beast!

You would also need to the 19" wheels so the base to base would be $58K to $66K if the prices for the M3 are correct. Optioned equivalently, with nav and other goodies, the difference will likely be reduced to about $4K or so.

I recently visited AMG and they said there will be a C63 but I don't know on what chassis. It will have the same output as the CLK63, 481 hp.They said the RS4 or M3 won't be able to touch it, at least in straight line performance. Of course they also didn't reveal pricing but they had a big grin on their face when they told me about it so I expect something pretty special.

I apologize in advance but Audis are jsut nice VWs to me. I don't care what kind of kit or tujrbo they put on, it's still a VW, or VW is an Audi lookalike

A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW

By that logic a Mercedes is just a nice Chrysler.

No, because as of now Benzes aren't built on the same platforms as Chrysler cars.

They are definitely starting to share a lot of parts. The 300 uses and a lot of E parts, the Crossfire is just a restyled SLK.

But some Chryslers are built on the same platforms as older Benzes; so those older Benzes "become" Chryslers.


Actually, your VW/Audi connection is not entirely off-base. But for the most part, the connection is an enhancement to VWs. At this moment in time there is ZERO platform overlap between VWs and Audis in production. The original TT was based on the Beetle, but for now the platforms differ (although there will be VW platforms using the new TT platform). In the past, there was a close link between the A4 and the Passat, but basically, the Passat was more Audi than the Audi was Passat. Basically, Audi makes AWD cars with a longitudinally-mounted engine and the true Audi torsen AWD system. Only the TT uses the VW laterally-mounted engine and bogus AWD transmission.

The A6 and the A8 are entirely Audi platforms -- no VW parallel (although the discontinued VW PhA8ton shared a lot with the A8).

C63 with 481HP.... that car will be crazy fast if the weight is kept reasonable..... could be quicker than the E63, E55, M5....

Audi makes a damn nice Gallardo and Murcielago too!

u prob need a professional to get in the 13's for the rs4


C55 OWNS

Gallardo is basically a Jetta with hot wheels.

Don't really get what your saying, but I'll take that kinda Jetta over any MB anyday. For that matter, over any Audi too!

_Toms

You sound like a complete plonker. Many cars share parts with other makers, it doesn't mean they are the same car. Wait until your old enough to buy your own car before you criticize others.

What are you on about?

Sounds like you need a bit of tutoring...

Put foot on clutch, engage first, dial in some throttle, depress clutch, push foot down on accelerator (pedal furthest to the right,btw), wait til engine approaches 8krpm, put foot on clutch, engage second, depress clutch, full throttle, wait til engine nears redline, put foot on clutch, engage 3rd, depress clutch, nail throttle...

Like I said, the guy from AMG that told me about it had a pretty big smile on his face so yes, I believe it will be an absolute rocket. Too bad we are not getting the CLK63 hardtop here as it would likely be quicker than the cars you mentioned or at least I hope a coupe weighs less than a 4 door.

lol ! Some good humor here and some of you must be really dry

VW n Audi just share to many similar styles for Audi to demand 75K. But hey if that's how you roll all the better! Own what makes you happy and what you want. What others think is not really important

It's just my opinion based on the performance and style of those cars. No need to lose your shirts over the conversation. You guys are so passionate about cars you don't own and the minute differences between them. I can respect that. But some of you really need some new hobbies

I have been making a nice living since I was 23. I'm now 30. I've been buying performance cars for that time on my own "transferred" you knob, but I wouldn't waste 75K on an Audi or 90+ on a VW.

My money is important to me and I am glad we have such a wide realm of vehicles for driving enthusiasts. To me some are worth the price asked and some are absurd. But people buy Pontiac Aztecs too so what does that tell you

Stating people "need new hobbies" ignores the fact this is an automobile forum. The use of the term "knob" would indicate you are not 30, or at least a rather retrograde 30-year-old at that.
People buying Pontiacs suggests that they are perhaps unable to afford other marques or simply do not care; neither explanation is worhty of making fun of.
Now don't forget to stock up on supplies, the new semester starts soon.