RS-4 can only manage a 102MPH trap?
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Originally Posted by r3v1ls
The RS4 was never meant to be a straight away car. It's a Quattro for a reason, and that's for the amazing handling and grip you receive from it. Try taking an E55 through turns as fast as you would a RS4. I guarrantee you the results won't be impressive...
The E55 wasnt meant to handle like a sports car though. Your comparing the wrong vehicles. Take a M3 CSL or M3 CS vs the RS4, im not even talking about the new E90 M3 coming out which will dust the AUDI through turns, via a good set up of RWD.
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Originally Posted by PC Valkyrie
I am very surprised by the relatively slow numbers of the RS4 from the Car and Driver test. That 5.4 second rolling 5-60mph time is the most surprising (when the C55 can do it in 4.9 seconds). A 0-60mph time of 4.6 seconds and 1/4 mile time of 13.2 seconds are also disappointments.
On the up side, it posted a very good skidpad number of 0.91g.
Perhaps the RS4 that Car and Driver tested was a "slower" one than the average RS4??
On the up side, it posted a very good skidpad number of 0.91g.
Perhaps the RS4 that Car and Driver tested was a "slower" one than the average RS4??
a modded C32 can also run 13.2 or even into the 12's and traps a lot higher speed, but it also weights 450lbs less.
I think the main problem is with RS4's weight.
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Originally Posted by trips
LOL. Dude, you have a c230 and an SLK! 
Ha ha, quality put down. Unlucky benzinsider!
Audi's are quality understated cars. The RS4 in the real world is gonna outpace a C55 or, god forbid, an M3. Of course, the anticipated C63 or new M3 is going to be evenquicker than the RS4.
RS4 would only trap 102mph with a true moron behind the wheel.
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Originally Posted by trips
LOL. Dude, you have a c230 and an SLK!
Anyone shopping for a BMW or Benz owes it to themselves to check out the comparable Audi. I spent 15 years in Audis (still have a 2002 TT Roadster for fun), and I own a Benz now just as a change of environment.
If Audi/VW can resolve some reliability/longevity issues, I'll be back in the fold in couple of years.
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the base price for the new 412HP M3 is 12k less than the RS-4's base price, at $53,975.....
Originally Posted by SteveL
Well I'm willing to bet that a C63 and new M3 will be in the same price range with options and gas guzzler. I guess we can all agree that $70+K is too much too pay for a small sedan but that is not going to change the fact that is what they are/will be priced at. The fact that the RS4 shares very little with an A4 isn't going to change your mind suppose.
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For Pete's sake guys!!! I just left the Evo and Honda forums to get away from this type of bickering
The RS4 is a $73k POS I'd love to own, I just bought a C55 $61k POS, and the evo IX $29k I just sold would kill them both on any track with only $1,740 worth of mods
Get my point. You can argue the hp vs et vs mph vs luxury vs ?? all day long. Different things for diferent people with different prices. All are great and offer their own prizes.... Now lets sit back, enjoy each others company, and be thankful we aren't driving Kia's
The RS4 is a $73k POS I'd love to own, I just bought a C55 $61k POS, and the evo IX $29k I just sold would kill them both on any track with only $1,740 worth of mods Get my point. You can argue the hp vs et vs mph vs luxury vs ?? all day long. Different things for diferent people with different prices. All are great and offer their own prizes.... Now lets sit back, enjoy each others company, and be thankful we aren't driving Kia's
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Originally Posted by Fikse
the base price for the new 412HP M3 is 12k less than the RS-4's base price, at $53,975.....
http://forums.audiworld.com/rs4b7/th...10.phtml#16258
And if recent BMWs are any indication, interior quality of the cars will not be close to the same in my opinion. Even the brake calipers on the new M5, M6 and ZM4 look like they come off a 318. Truely disappointing compared to MB and Audi.
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base for base you would have to add metallic paint, parktroinic, heated front seats and nappa leather to the Bimmer to be about even.... so maybe it's a $10,000 difference.....
yes, if you added ALL the options listed for the M3, then you finally get to 69k..... but that would include options not available on the Audi....
as for build quality/interior, you probably are right, I have no idea.... I've never been impressed too much by BMW interior aside from the 7 series..
C55 is not listed for 2007..... if they give it the same engine as the CLK63, it's going to be a beast!
yes, if you added ALL the options listed for the M3, then you finally get to 69k..... but that would include options not available on the Audi....
as for build quality/interior, you probably are right, I have no idea.... I've never been impressed too much by BMW interior aside from the 7 series..
C55 is not listed for 2007..... if they give it the same engine as the CLK63, it's going to be a beast!
Originally Posted by SteveL
I was under the impression that this was a rumored price and the cars are not nearly equivalently equipped. Someone in this thread computed a equivalently equipped M3 at about $69K.
http://forums.audiworld.com/rs4b7/th...10.phtml#16258
And if recent BMWs are any indication, interior quality of the cars will not be close to the same in my opinion. Even the brake calipers on the new M5, M6 and ZM4 look like they come off a 318. Truely disappointing compared to MB and Audi.
http://forums.audiworld.com/rs4b7/th...10.phtml#16258
And if recent BMWs are any indication, interior quality of the cars will not be close to the same in my opinion. Even the brake calipers on the new M5, M6 and ZM4 look like they come off a 318. Truely disappointing compared to MB and Audi.
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Originally Posted by Fikse
base for base you would have to add metallic paint, parktroinic, heated front seats and nappa leather to the Bimmer to be about even.... so maybe it's a $10,000 difference.....
yes, if you added ALL the options listed for the M3, then you finally get to 69k..... but that would include options not available on the Audi....
as for build quality/interior, you probably are right, I have no idea.... I've never been impressed too much by BMW interior aside from the 7 series..
C55 is not listed for 2007..... if they give it the same engine as the CLK63, it's going to be a beast!
yes, if you added ALL the options listed for the M3, then you finally get to 69k..... but that would include options not available on the Audi....
as for build quality/interior, you probably are right, I have no idea.... I've never been impressed too much by BMW interior aside from the 7 series..
C55 is not listed for 2007..... if they give it the same engine as the CLK63, it's going to be a beast!
I recently visited AMG and they said there will be a C63 but I don't know on what chassis. It will have the same output as the CLK63, 481 hp.They said the RS4 or M3 won't be able to touch it, at least in straight line performance. Of course they also didn't reveal pricing but they had a big grin on their face when they told me about it so I expect something pretty special.
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I apologize in advance but Audis are jsut nice VWs to me. I don't care what kind of kit or tujrbo they put on, it's still a VW, or VW is an Audi lookalike
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
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Originally Posted by Z O O R O P A
I apologize in advance but Audis are jsut nice VWs to me. I don't care what kind of kit or tujrbo they put on, it's still a VW, or VW is an Audi lookalike
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
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Originally Posted by MercedesFTW
No, because as of now Benzes aren't built on the same platforms as Chrysler cars.
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Originally Posted by MercedesFTW
No, because as of now Benzes aren't built on the same platforms as Chrysler cars.
Actually, your VW/Audi connection is not entirely off-base. But for the most part, the connection is an enhancement to VWs. At this moment in time there is ZERO platform overlap between VWs and Audis in production. The original TT was based on the Beetle, but for now the platforms differ (although there will be VW platforms using the new TT platform). In the past, there was a close link between the A4 and the Passat, but basically, the Passat was more Audi than the Audi was Passat. Basically, Audi makes AWD cars with a longitudinally-mounted engine and the true Audi torsen AWD system. Only the TT uses the VW laterally-mounted engine and bogus AWD transmission.
The A6 and the A8 are entirely Audi platforms -- no VW parallel (although the discontinued VW PhA8ton shared a lot with the A8).
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C63 with 481HP.... that car will be crazy fast if the weight is kept reasonable..... could be quicker than the E63, E55, M5....
Originally Posted by SteveL
You would also need to the 19" wheels so the base to base would be $58K to $66K if the prices for the M3 are correct. Optioned equivalently, with nav and other goodies, the difference will likely be reduced to about $4K or so.
I recently visited AMG and they said there will be a C63 but I don't know on what chassis. It will have the same output as the CLK63, 481 hp.They said the RS4 or M3 won't be able to touch it, at least in straight line performance. Of course they also didn't reveal pricing but they had a big grin on their face when they told me about it so I expect something pretty special.
I recently visited AMG and they said there will be a C63 but I don't know on what chassis. It will have the same output as the CLK63, 481 hp.They said the RS4 or M3 won't be able to touch it, at least in straight line performance. Of course they also didn't reveal pricing but they had a big grin on their face when they told me about it so I expect something pretty special.
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Originally Posted by Z O O R O P A
I apologize in advance but Audis are jsut nice VWs to me. I don't care what kind of kit or tujrbo they put on, it's still a VW, or VW is an Audi lookalike
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
Audi makes a damn nice Gallardo and Murcielago too!
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Gallardo is basically a Jetta with hot wheels.
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Originally Posted by Z O O R O P A
I apologize in advance but Audis are jsut nice VWs to me. I don't care what kind of kit or tujrbo they put on, it's still a VW, or VW is an Audi lookalike
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
A lexus is just a nice Toyota, but it has a better rep than Audi or VW
You sound like a complete plonker. Many cars share parts with other makers, it doesn't mean they are the same car. Wait until your old enough to buy your own car before you criticize others.
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u prob need a professional to get in the 13's for the rs4
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Sounds like you need a bit of tutoring...
Put foot on clutch, engage first, dial in some throttle, depress clutch, push foot down on accelerator (pedal furthest to the right,btw), wait til engine approaches 8krpm, put foot on clutch, engage second, depress clutch, full throttle, wait til engine nears redline, put foot on clutch, engage 3rd, depress clutch, nail throttle...
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Originally Posted by Fikse
C63 with 481HP.... that car will be crazy fast if the weight is kept reasonable..... could be quicker than the E63, E55, M5....
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lol ! Some good humor here and some of you must be really dry
VW n Audi just share to many similar styles for Audi to demand 75K. But hey if that's how you roll all the better! Own what makes you happy and what you want. What others think is not really important
It's just my opinion based on the performance and style of those cars. No need to lose your shirts over the conversation. You guys are so passionate about cars you don't own and the minute differences between them. I can respect that. But some of you really need some new hobbies
I have been making a nice living since I was 23. I'm now 30. I've been buying performance cars for that time on my own "transferred" you knob, but I wouldn't waste 75K on an Audi or 90+ on a VW.
My money is important to me and I am glad we have such a wide realm of vehicles for driving enthusiasts. To me some are worth the price asked and some are absurd. But people buy Pontiac Aztecs too so what does that tell you
VW n Audi just share to many similar styles for Audi to demand 75K. But hey if that's how you roll all the better! Own what makes you happy and what you want. What others think is not really important
It's just my opinion based on the performance and style of those cars. No need to lose your shirts over the conversation. You guys are so passionate about cars you don't own and the minute differences between them. I can respect that. But some of you really need some new hobbies
I have been making a nice living since I was 23. I'm now 30. I've been buying performance cars for that time on my own "transferred" you knob, but I wouldn't waste 75K on an Audi or 90+ on a VW.
My money is important to me and I am glad we have such a wide realm of vehicles for driving enthusiasts. To me some are worth the price asked and some are absurd. But people buy Pontiac Aztecs too so what does that tell you
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Originally Posted by Z O O R O P A
lol ! Some good humor here and some of you must be really dry
VW n Audi just share to many similar styles for Audi to demand 75K. But hey if that's how you roll all the better! Own what makes you happy and what you want. What others think is not really important
It's just my opinion based on the performance and style of those cars. No need to lose your shirts over the conversation. You guys are so passionate about cars you don't own and the minute differences between them. I can respect that. But some of you really need some new hobbies
I have been making a nice living since I was 23. I'm now 30. I've been buying performance cars for that time on my own "transferred" you knob, but I wouldn't waste 75K on an Audi or 90+ on a VW.
My money is important to me and I am glad we have such a wide realm of vehicles for driving enthusiasts. To me some are worth the price asked and some are absurd. But people buy Pontiac Aztecs too so what does that tell you
VW n Audi just share to many similar styles for Audi to demand 75K. But hey if that's how you roll all the better! Own what makes you happy and what you want. What others think is not really important
It's just my opinion based on the performance and style of those cars. No need to lose your shirts over the conversation. You guys are so passionate about cars you don't own and the minute differences between them. I can respect that. But some of you really need some new hobbies
I have been making a nice living since I was 23. I'm now 30. I've been buying performance cars for that time on my own "transferred" you knob, but I wouldn't waste 75K on an Audi or 90+ on a VW.
My money is important to me and I am glad we have such a wide realm of vehicles for driving enthusiasts. To me some are worth the price asked and some are absurd. But people buy Pontiac Aztecs too so what does that tell you
People buying Pontiacs suggests that they are perhaps unable to afford other marques or simply do not care; neither explanation is worhty of making fun of.
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