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MercedesFTW

Gotta throw this in there...

Saw the RS4 in person today at some VW/Audi meet...and DAYUM that is a hot car. Super sexy widebody, nice CF accents (not overdone!), hilariously awsome exhaust tips, and overall just a good package. Plus that engine...*drool*

Fifth Ring

Agreed. Why get on a car forum, post an opinion, trash out the knowledgeable people who disagree with you, and then claim financial superiority? I won't pay $75,000 for ANY car, but if I'm spending $35-50,000 on a sports coupe/sedan, I'm going to look at all the available brands (MB, BMW, Audi, maybe even Cadillac and Jaguar). Dismissing a brand based on a locked-in personal bias, without a true understanding of the underlying hardware, is ignorance. And being proud of that ignorance? I don't know if there's a word for that. Maybe "knob."

Carl Lassiter

Very well said.

Zooropa, you may now troll forth from the forum.

SteveL

I can't believe I actually dug up this thread but...

At least in the UK, the new M3 costs the same as an RS4. It might be different in the US market but we'll see. Chances are, it will be a lot closer than some thought. Audi certainly set the price ceiling and BMW woulld actually be stupid to be much lower than the Audi price. They'll believe their car is better and therefore the price is justified. Someone who is would pay $60K for a V8 M3 will almost certainly pay $65K or $70K. I still expect the C63 to follow suit.

http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/1791/

Vadim @ FD

While we are on this subject.

I had a chance to drive one and must say it is a sweet car. I missed downshifting manual car.


I will be developing for GMG a tuning line for Audi's.

So far catback system is almost finished and I must say it sounds wicked. More datails to follow.

Militant-Grunt

You have a SLK, end of story.

I much rather have a RS4 over a Z06. Vettes are extremely common cars, that have ****ty interiors and just don't produce the same awe effect that a RS4 does. Personally I'm not a fan of the new 4.2 V8's that Audi switched to, that's just due to the fact that I can get a low mileage 2000-2002 S4 spend 10 grand on it and have a faster car than a Z06.

AWDman

i ran with 2 stock rs4 at lime rock about a month back. they were on street rubber. my c32's combination of faster corner exit speed, more power and less weight (duh!) completely overwhelmed the rs4s.

write up here. https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/188692-track-day-325-a.html

the rs4 does have it's merits and i can see it working for someone with specific needs. if you read past the horse sh*t and hype the mags put out there are a few really extraordinary vehicles out there. the w211 e55 is one, in my opinion.

Fikse

here is an RS4 dyno:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Audi-RS-4-Timeslip-12026.html

they trap low because they have 26% drivetrain losses....

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RS4s exit corners faster than the E60 M5 and a host of other cars supposedly in the class above.

If it happened as you say it did then it could only have been because you drive ok and the Audi guys sucked.

Edit-just noticed you said they had street rubber so guess you were on slicks so makes more sense.

BTW, post above "26 percent drivetrain loss- you sure? I was pulled by one up to pretty high speeds. That engine is a work of art, imo

SteveL

Don't believe everything you see on the internet. With dynos, you can never use just a single source but I would think that this source is pretty reputable. Btw, 102 is the lowest trap that has been published. There are many sources that have published higher traps.

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...rs4_dyno_test/

gkstar

A couple of notes - AWDman's C32 is moded, which means around the same HP as RS4, with much better torque (even the stock c32 has slightly higher torque, let alone stage 2).

The "OK driver" is a bit of an understatement Follow the link, he's overtaken 911 turbo, a Viper, RS4s... or perhaps all others were sloppy drivers at the track that day

smgC32

Appreciate the RS4 for what it is; a fantastic four door road car that is extremely capable. If you are one of the lucky few to be offered a test drive, do so, like I did, and you will know what all the buzz is about. As I posted before, this car just does everything right. Even if the 1/4 times are not up to someone's standards, the overall enjoyment one gets from driving a particular car in various situation is what motoring is all about. There is no one best car, but a best car for everyone. RS4, M3V8, C63,... they will all have their followings and they will all go down in history as one of the best years for four door sport sedans.

SteveL

Well said. I really didn't bring this thread back up to talk about trap speeds or track times. I did because a large part of the thread was focused on the fact that the RS4 costs $74K which everyone, including myself, thinks is too much. However, it is also too much for an M3V8 and a C63 but it won't stop BMW or MB from charging that much for the car nor will it stop some number of people from paying those prices to own one.

turbo16lbs

This thread was really a good read haha. It had it's and loved it.

Just found it to be a coincidence since there isn't a lot of RS4's in Miami but I just so happened to see one in person on the highway today and I must say, BEAUTIFUL vehicle. Despite the pricetag, but eye candy at it's best. I got next to him and he took off, surprisingly it didn't really take off as I'd expect it to. Between 60-120 mph we (My C32 Stock vs Yellow Beast from Hell) were pretty much neck to neck. The only thing I can deduct from this experience is that he was a ****ty driver.

Thanks for digging up the thread

Fikse

I saw a yellow in s. florida as well.... yellow, with mods, looked lowered, very loud, had stickers on it as well..... I was in the E55, he saw me and started driving like a nut, in and out of traffic, etc... I thought he might want to try it out against the E55, but he was one of those people that runs like crazy....

turbo16lbs

The one I saw looked like it had rims but I couldnt tell since he was driving like a maniac. It must be the guy lol. I can't attest to having heard it since I was too busy listening to my iPod but the one I saw looked like it had a spoiler on it. Not the conventional ones but those that look like they could pick up a few channels if you know what I mean .

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Rolling eyes are a little over the top. How am I supposed to know he's a good driver. Anyway, for a C32 to overtake a 996 Turbo it is wihtout doubt because of the drivers. That was my point- his driving was the reason for beating the RS4, no the RS4's failings.

AWDman

hey i consider myself a decent driver and was comfortable at that particular track (lime rock)

the rs4, on street tires is no match for a modded (stage 2) c32. i have more power, more torque, more grip, less weight and possibly better gearing. suspension wise i have h & R rear sways, renntech spings and 245/40 front and 255/40 rear DOT R compound tires. i use porterfield R4 pads with ATE blue fluid. I brake late.

i did not actually overtake the turbo or viper that day at lime rock but was faster overall around the track. when you see someone on your tail for a few laps track etiquette requires you wave them by on the front straight. (no passing allowed in corners).

I updated the link above to report on my summit point track day which i did last Sat. i'll keep updating as i complete events. next week i will at pocono south.

and...it was a 997 911 turbo. the new one. you know, the one with 480 hp....

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Glad to see you're flying the C32 flag