C5 Corvette Vs. C32
01-09-2007, 04:07 AM
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So I guess I forgot and exaggerated slightly on the the rwhp it's 348 not 350
Damned file was to big...here's another
Damned file was to big...here's another
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01-09-2007, 04:33 AM
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No I don't know why the A&A dyno starts at 3000rpm's instead 2000
But question to you Ubergeist (sp) what's w/single torque spike on your TA to 393rwto does that count as an actual 393 or is it a glitch? not trying to start more wars, just curious
thanks
But question to you Ubergeist (sp) what's w/single torque spike on your TA to 393rwto does that count as an actual 393 or is it a glitch? not trying to start more wars, just curious
thanks
01-09-2007, 06:39 AM
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Do you have a copy of this Dyno you mention above? 355rwhp / 355rwto is very powerful for a C32! The average for stock C32's stock rwhp was 276-285rwhp couldn't find any torque numbers for stock though
So you've made some very impressive gains especially in the torque dept..since they rate 334 torque or so at the crank when stock..
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01-09-2007, 09:55 AM
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Hey Jerry, I'm up late drink to much coffe before the gym tonite, read a lot on this C32 forum you guys have some stout sleepers
Do you have a copy of this Dyno you mention above? 355rwhp / 355rwto is very powerful for a C32! The average for stock C32's stock rwhp was 276-285rwhp couldn't find any torque numbers for stock though
So you've made some very impressive gains especially in the torque dept..since they rate 334 torque or so at the crank when stock..
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Do you have a copy of this Dyno you mention above? 355rwhp / 355rwto is very powerful for a C32! The average for stock C32's stock rwhp was 276-285rwhp couldn't find any torque numbers for stock though
So you've made some very impressive gains especially in the torque dept..since they rate 334 torque or so at the crank when stock..
Laters
This is the next to latest one that I have scanned in. This Dyno is before the Evo headers, Renntech Stage II ECU, and before any exhaust mods.
Here is the latest one I have scanned in. As you can see, I lost power after installing the headers, which made me send in the ECU and have it tuned for stage II. This graph only shows the headers with stage I ecu.
Like I said, I'll scan it in tonight for everyone to see. It might be a little yellow. The one that I will scan in tonight will show the Evo headers, Renntech Stage II ECU, and will be 355HP/355Trq.
I have yet another Dyno appt scheduled for Friday so we can see what the Random Tech Race cats and custom exhaust work has done in the power department. I might have to reschedule again, as my wife is still recovering from surgery and she can't drive herself to work. So, I will try to convince her to sit and wait while I get it done. After the next appt, I will install the Eisenmann and do one more Dyno to see where I sit as far as power goes. If the numbers look good, I'll call it a day and be done. If not, I'll send the ECU back to Renntech one more time for final tweaking.
Keep in mind that the Dynapak produces lower numbers when compared to a Dynojet. I will try to get a few pulls on a Dynojet once I'm done tweaking the car.
01-09-2007, 10:03 AM
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Here is the Evosport graph for their Stage II setup that a few people have.
These numbers look good. 365HP/350Trq
These numbers look good. 365HP/350Trq
01-09-2007, 10:16 AM
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If you guys want REAL LIFE, REAL PEOPLE, REAL CAR and REAL MOD Results look no further than the event I attended with my C32.
Winged Warrior Performance Event
It was a multi race / performance event that pitted Domestic vs Imports
I was able to come in 30th out of 92 cars in a slightly modified 2002 C32
The car was represented and admired by what it was able to do performance wise in a field with cars that had lots of upgrades.
Click on the picture to bring of the card, then on the image that expands, (left hand side) you can click to see the back of the card, it shows the stats.
Notice there are several vette's representing at this event.
ALL EVENTS were done on STREET TIRES (all cars), no racing slicks, no autocross track tires were allowed.
This balanced the field a lot.
My autocross time was pretty good in perspective to a lot of other cars, the benz CAN hold its own with a good driver.
And what i mean by good driver, the C6 vette normally should beat a C32 in everything, but on this day he got my by the 1/4 but not in autocross, with nearly 50% more power/tq
But yet... with a champion autocross driver in a STOCK C5
is probably the best example of experience showing
Winged Warrior Performance Event
It was a multi race / performance event that pitted Domestic vs Imports
I was able to come in 30th out of 92 cars in a slightly modified 2002 C32
The car was represented and admired by what it was able to do performance wise in a field with cars that had lots of upgrades.
Click on the picture to bring of the card, then on the image that expands, (left hand side) you can click to see the back of the card, it shows the stats.
Notice there are several vette's representing at this event.
ALL EVENTS were done on STREET TIRES (all cars), no racing slicks, no autocross track tires were allowed.
This balanced the field a lot.
My autocross time was pretty good in perspective to a lot of other cars, the benz CAN hold its own with a good driver.
And what i mean by good driver, the C6 vette normally should beat a C32 in everything, but on this day he got my by the 1/4 but not in autocross, with nearly 50% more power/tq
But yet... with a champion autocross driver in a STOCK C5
is probably the best example of experience showing
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01-09-2007, 01:55 PM
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The only thing you guys are smokin' grows in Mexico, Columbia, etc..
Seriously....... Anyone here want to race me? I have the C6 w/A4 tranny, I'd be more than happy to show you what a C6 can do.....
We can meet in LA anytime...pm me
Here's A Stock C32 spec's, you out weigh the C6 by 450lbs.. 50 less HP 70 less Torque Even moded to over come you power/weight deficiencys, and just to tie a C6 in a race you'd need to be pushing 385rwhp 385rwto.........
Mercedes-Benz of San Diego
General information provided by third-party sources.
2003 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG Base
4 door Sedan, RWD, 3.2Liter Overview
Standard Features
Options
Technical Specs
Specifications & Dimensions
Wheelbase 106.9 inches
Overall Length 178.2 inches
Vehicle Height 55.1 inches
Vehicle Width 68.0 inches
Front Headroom 38.9 inches
Front Legroom 41.7 inches
Rear Headroom 37.3 inches
Rear Legroom 33.0 inches
Curb Weight 3540 lbs
Seating Capacity 5/5 passengers
Final Assembly Location Germany
Brakes
Antilock Brakes Standard
Front and rear ventilated disc Standard
Braking assist Standard
Braking Distance in Feet(60mph - 0mph) 118.0ft
Drive
5-speed automatic transmission Standard
Engine
3.2L Supercharged 349 hp gas Standard
Number of cylinders: 6
Number of valves: 18
Camshaft: Single overhead cam (SOHC)
Compressor: Supercharger
Horsepower: 349 hp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 332 ft-lbs @ 4400 rpm
Acceleration in Seconds (0-60mph): 5.4
Fuel Capacity (gallons): 16.4
Fuel Economy (City/Hwy): 17/21
Suspension
Four-wheel independent suspension Standard
Front and rear stabilizer bar Standard
Wheels
17 x 8.5 in. alloy rims Standard
Tires, P245/40ZR17 Standard
Tire type, performance Standard
17 x 7.5 in. alloy rims Standard front
Front Tires, P225/45ZR17 Standard
Now unless you care to re-post your Bogus "SMOKED A C6" Stories and say something like....The only reason I beat a C6 was due to C6 owner couldn't drive at all, C6 owner didn't know we were racing, Or it never really happened...
Seriously....... Anyone here want to race me? I have the C6 w/A4 tranny, I'd be more than happy to show you what a C6 can do.....We can meet in LA anytime...pm me
Here's A Stock C32 spec's, you out weigh the C6 by 450lbs.. 50 less HP 70 less Torque
Even moded to over come you power/weight deficiencys, and just to tie a C6 in a race you'd need to be pushing 385rwhp 385rwto.........Mercedes-Benz of San Diego
General information provided by third-party sources.
2003 Mercedes-Benz C32 AMG Base
4 door Sedan, RWD, 3.2Liter Overview
Standard Features
Options
Technical Specs
Specifications & Dimensions
Wheelbase 106.9 inches
Overall Length 178.2 inches
Vehicle Height 55.1 inches
Vehicle Width 68.0 inches
Front Headroom 38.9 inches
Front Legroom 41.7 inches
Rear Headroom 37.3 inches
Rear Legroom 33.0 inches
Curb Weight 3540 lbs
Seating Capacity 5/5 passengers
Final Assembly Location Germany
Brakes
Antilock Brakes Standard
Front and rear ventilated disc Standard
Braking assist Standard
Braking Distance in Feet(60mph - 0mph) 118.0ft
Drive
5-speed automatic transmission Standard
Engine
3.2L Supercharged 349 hp gas Standard
Number of cylinders: 6
Number of valves: 18
Camshaft: Single overhead cam (SOHC)
Compressor: Supercharger
Horsepower: 349 hp @ 6100 rpm
Torque: 332 ft-lbs @ 4400 rpm
Acceleration in Seconds (0-60mph): 5.4
Fuel Capacity (gallons): 16.4
Fuel Economy (City/Hwy): 17/21
Suspension
Four-wheel independent suspension Standard
Front and rear stabilizer bar Standard
Wheels
17 x 8.5 in. alloy rims Standard
Tires, P245/40ZR17 Standard
Tire type, performance Standard
17 x 7.5 in. alloy rims Standard front
Front Tires, P225/45ZR17 Standard
Now unless you care to re-post your Bogus "SMOKED A C6" Stories and say something like....The only reason I beat a C6 was due to C6 owner couldn't drive at all, C6 owner didn't know we were racing, Or it never really happened...
but i was comparing the C5 to the C32, i think that everyone here is aware that with 2 equal drivers a C6 ( which comes with over 50 more HP STOCK) would obviously win a stock vs stock car race with a C32.
but if u get any modded C32's to race ur C6, post the video. I've always been a Vette enthuiast and i would love to see that race
01-09-2007, 05:29 PM
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If you guys want REAL LIFE, REAL PEOPLE, REAL CAR and REAL MOD Results look no further than the event I attended with my C32.
Winged Warrior Performance Event
It was a multi race / performance event that pitted Domestic vs Imports
I was able to come in 30th out of 92 cars in a slightly modified 2002 C32
The car was represented and admired by what it was able to do performance wise in a field with cars that had lots of upgrades.
Click on the picture to bring of the card, then on the image that expands, (left hand side) you can click to see the back of the card, it shows the stats.
Notice there are several vette's representing at this event.
ALL EVENTS were done on STREET TIRES (all cars), no racing slicks, no autocross track tires were allowed.
This balanced the field a lot.
My autocross time was pretty good in perspective to a lot of other cars, the benz CAN hold its own with a good driver.
And what i mean by good driver, the C6 vette normally should beat a C32 in everything, but on this day he got my by the 1/4 but not in autocross, with nearly 50% more power/tq
But yet... with a champion autocross driver in a STOCK C5
is probably the best example of experience showing
Winged Warrior Performance Event
It was a multi race / performance event that pitted Domestic vs Imports
I was able to come in 30th out of 92 cars in a slightly modified 2002 C32
The car was represented and admired by what it was able to do performance wise in a field with cars that had lots of upgrades.
Click on the picture to bring of the card, then on the image that expands, (left hand side) you can click to see the back of the card, it shows the stats.
Notice there are several vette's representing at this event.
ALL EVENTS were done on STREET TIRES (all cars), no racing slicks, no autocross track tires were allowed.
This balanced the field a lot.
My autocross time was pretty good in perspective to a lot of other cars, the benz CAN hold its own with a good driver.
And what i mean by good driver, the C6 vette normally should beat a C32 in everything, but on this day he got my by the 1/4 but not in autocross, with nearly 50% more power/tq
But yet... with a champion autocross driver in a STOCK C5
is probably the best example of experience showing
The guy in the base C5 did better than both of you..in the Slalom...
What's w/the 1/4 mile trap sped but NO ET? on other cars?
And you run a 13.03 at 111? what's going on there? for that high trap you should be a lot lower than 13.03
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that's 110rwto over all gain, crazy to squeze all that outta that V6 motor.....
01-10-2007, 01:51 AM
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I would have guessed an easy 350whp. It was a strong runner. If I still had it that car would have been in the 12's on my next trip to the drag strip. But instead I ran a 14.0@99.8 in the 06 Mustang GT I traded it in on.
Then that car got lost in a flood 600 miles later. And bought the Acura to resell it, and bought another SRT to hold me over on my need for speed.
I was set on a C32, but after test driving an E55 today.
My opinion changed.Good luck with the races, and I am looking forward to seeing the vidz.
01-10-2007, 10:58 AM
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As promised...
01-10-2007, 10:00 PM
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i might be going to big bear on fri., will keep you updated.
if not this time then definitely next time i will join you
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01-13-2007, 01:30 AM
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I haven't heard back from you? are you still meeting us
Edit there will be plenty of modded, & stock C6's that might play as well, after the Vette GTG..
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01-13-2007, 04:09 AM
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I've got a full plate......going to Fontana in a couple hours to to do some 1/4 runs. Then off to SGV for a GTG, then meeting up with you guys hopefully afterwards
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ok fine
ok ok you win maybe one of mercede's 6 cylinders can't do the trick , even tho they come pretty damn close. how about tryin the big dogs, like teh sl and cl's man. c'mon u gotta admit, mercedes vehicles are built very well, and we all knwo they are all built better than american vehicles. and even if you whoop those.
how about a Hennessy 1000 Dodge viper? eh?
1200 horses. stuff that in ur pipe and smoke it! lol jk man no hard feeligns to anyone, just tryin to lightin this party!
I'm happy with my e420. it's enough power for me eesh. 380 horses is a lot.
how about a Hennessy 1000 Dodge viper? eh?
1200 horses. stuff that in ur pipe and smoke it! lol jk man no hard feeligns to anyone, just tryin to lightin this party!
I'm happy with my e420. it's enough power for me eesh. 380 horses is a lot.
01-29-2007, 11:00 AM
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C32 and 98 C5 Vert
You guys crack me up. I have both a C32 filters (300 rwhp) and a C5 vert (400rwhp). A stock C32 will beat a stock C5 (a4) with either 3.15 or 2.73 rear gears. A C5 6 speed with a good driver will win almost every time after the 1/8th mark. Stock C5 (a4) run mid to low 13's at just over 100. Usually 103-105 same as C32 but the C32 stays in the powerband better with the 5 speed tranny.
I run mostly at the drag strip and run 8.5-8.6 on crappy 2.0 60' at 82 in the 1/8th which is about the same as a C5 6 speed.
I love both but I love spinning my 305 nittos at 45 mph when I hammer the vette a alittle more. 3800 stall and 3.73 gears make a C5 a total different car!
I run mostly at the drag strip and run 8.5-8.6 on crappy 2.0 60' at 82 in the 1/8th which is about the same as a C5 6 speed.
I love both but I love spinning my 305 nittos at 45 mph when I hammer the vette a alittle more. 3800 stall and 3.73 gears make a C5 a total different car!
01-30-2007, 10:58 AM
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A C5 will dyno to the wheels around 310 - 330 depending.
What does a C32 put down to the wheels?
I can say that I have had friends run C32's on the road in LS1 powered F-Bodies (C5 equivalent). Races have went both ways both at the track and on the street, from rolls and stops.
I would choose the C6 anyday of the week with the LS2 motor and the new Z06's are hands down winners period.
My Z28 LS1 heads/cam etc. 390 rwhp 390 rwtq has yet to suffer a defeat to a C32 or 55. My car pulls strong up to 146 mph (the fastest I have went in it).
I would like to get a hold of a new C6 to see the result but I have yet to get an owner to play. Probably a good thing in the end.
What does a C32 put down to the wheels?
I can say that I have had friends run C32's on the road in LS1 powered F-Bodies (C5 equivalent). Races have went both ways both at the track and on the street, from rolls and stops.
I would choose the C6 anyday of the week with the LS2 motor and the new Z06's are hands down winners period.
My Z28 LS1 heads/cam etc. 390 rwhp 390 rwtq has yet to suffer a defeat to a C32 or 55. My car pulls strong up to 146 mph (the fastest I have went in it).
I would like to get a hold of a new C6 to see the result but I have yet to get an owner to play. Probably a good thing in the end.
01-30-2007, 11:01 AM
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You guys crack me up. I have both a C32 filters (300 rwhp) and a C5 vert (400rwhp). A stock C32 will beat a stock C5 (a4) with either 3.15 or 2.73 rear gears. A C5 6 speed with a good driver will win almost every time after the 1/8th mark. Stock C5 (a4) run mid to low 13's at just over 100. Usually 103-105 same as C32 but the C32 stays in the powerband better with the 5 speed tranny.
I run mostly at the drag strip and run 8.5-8.6 on crappy 2.0 60' at 82 in the 1/8th which is about the same as a C5 6 speed.
I run mostly at the drag strip and run 8.5-8.6 on crappy 2.0 60' at 82 in the 1/8th which is about the same as a C5 6 speed.
What heads/cam do you have on your C5? I have Total Engine Airflow heads on my Z.
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C32 and 98 C5 Vert
I have yet to be beat from 0-100 by any street car on the road or at the track. That includes the following:
996 Turbo S 6-0
Gallardo 2-0
Viper 9-0
Murchello 1-0
F360 4-0
F430 1-0
Yamaha 600 Sport Bikes 3-0
2006-2007 Z06 2-0
3.73 Gears and 3800 stall with 305 Drag radials - 0-60 mid to low 3 secs! I know all the above cars are faster but not near as quick!
On Mickey T's ET Streets, ran a best 11.23 at 120.07 with a 1.59 60'!
