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Old 02-02-2007, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW
Retail pricing for the C32 is $999 but we are running an introductory special for $899.

You should expect a 20 HP gain and 32 TQ gain on 91 OCT and a 23HP gain and 35TQ gain on 93 OCT.
Are those gains to the ground or flywheel?
Old 02-02-2007, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW
Impossible or not, it's proven
I don't buy it. That is more than people make with pulleys and ecu remapping on a C32, and this is with a car that starts out with less hp, and is pretty much stock except for tuning?
Old 02-02-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBulletAMG
Are those gains to the ground or flywheel?
They are gains at the fly.
Old 02-02-2007, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jgsx
I don't buy it. That is more than people make with pulleys and ecu remapping on a C32, and this is with a car that starts out with less hp, and is pretty much stock except for tuning?
Not sure what other proof I can give you other than more dynos with pullies, which are coming soon
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Crossfire SRT-6
Originally Posted by AMG-Jerry
I would consider that impossible....but what do I know.
why would that be impossible? those gains are even less than I would expect.. It is eaither that or the claimed HP by mercedes is off... I would expect those gains just doing the SL55 intake, but the N/A crossfire gains are very noticeable
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Originally Posted by Sidez
why would that be impossible? those gains are even less than I would expect.. It is eaither that or the claimed HP by mercedes is off... I would expect those gains just doing the SL55 intake, but the N/A crossfire gains are very noticeable
From the multiple stock dyno numbers posted it seems the claimed HP rating by MB is a bit on the generous side. Those gains for the ECU (if accurate) are great for the price. SL intake alone wouldn't come close to those numbers.

Now that I just posted that I notice we have 2 very different gains listed for the C32 AMG One says....
Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW

Here are the expected numbers for relevant vehicles:
Model Base HP 91OCT 93OCT Base TQ 91OCT 93OCT
C240 (01-04): 168 183 186 177 192 196
C32AMG: 349 359 366 332 341 348
C320: 215 234 238 229 249 254
...and later you state over 20hp and 30tq? Did you list one set of numbers to the wheel (in which case the base of 349 is way off) and the other flywheel? Now I'm confused...

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Crossfire SRT-6
Originally Posted by SilverBulletAMG
From the multiple stock dyno numbers posted it seems the claimed HP rating by MB is a bit on the generous side. Those gains for the ECU (if accurate) are great for the price. SL intake alone wouldn't come close to those numbers.
In this case what would be the stock mb numbers?
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Originally Posted by Sidez
In this case what would be the stock mb numbers?
To the wheel most seem to be in the 270ish hp range at the wheel. Some considerably less, some close to 290hp.

Another dyno with mods listed. https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...light=c32+dyno

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Old 02-03-2007, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW
They are gains at the fly.
Oh, if those are at the flywheel, then yeah they make sense. I just assumed that they were at the wheels. I know it says flywheel on there, but there was just a discussion about another similar sheet, and it was agreed that it was rwhp even thought it said fly
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Originally Posted by jgsx
Oh, if those are at the flywheel, then yeah they make sense. I just assumed that they were at the wheels. I know it says flywheel on there, but there was just a discussion about another similar sheet, and it was agreed that it was rwhp even thought it said fly
The difference is that the dyno is representing RWHP by correction factor (AMG Jerry's & FrankW's dyno charts, etc right?). JLevi's advertised gains are flywheel HP - very conservatively underrated - which is a pleasant surprise!

Needless to say, many C32s will be downed by this Crossfire SRT-6
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interesting read.
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Originally Posted by spr
c55 gains and cost?
C55 should expect an 18HP/20TQ gain on 91 OCT and 22HP/24TQ gain on 93 Octane. Retail pricing is $999 but we are running a special for $899.
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Crossfire SRT-6
Originally Posted by mig888
The difference is that the dyno is representing RWHP by correction factor (AMG Jerry's & FrankW's dyno charts, etc right?). JLevi's advertised gains are flywheel HP - very conservatively underrated - which is a pleasant surprise!

Needless to say, many C32s will be downed by this Crossfire SRT-6
Thanks for the the clear answers fellas and one more thing... The Stock SRT-6 will down many c32s
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Back with more information, the Crossfire posted above was retuned with pullies. Here is the result and more info:



Stock
321.7 lb TQ
327.5 HP

w/ SI Stage I (SL55 Intake Splitter, ECU, Pulleys, Tuning)
364.0 lb TQ
355.3 HP

Final #s --> converted to FWHP/TQ @ 15%
364.0 lb TQ --> 418.6 lb TQ
355.3 WHP --> 408.6 HP

Enjoy!
Old 02-08-2007, 12:22 PM
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C32 AMG
Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW
Stock
321.7 lb TQ
327.5 HP

w/ SI Stage I (SL55 Intake Splitter, ECU, Pulleys, Tuning)
364.0 lb TQ
355.3 HP

Final #s --> converted to FWHP/TQ @ 15%
364.0 lb TQ --> 418.6 lb TQ
355.3 WHP --> 408.6 HP

Enjoy!
Damn! I'm guessing that with the same mods the C32 would put out even more, correct? I hope... Might have to think twice when lineing up with a crossfire now.
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Originally Posted by Nick@JleviSW
C55 should expect an 18HP/20TQ gain on 91 OCT and 22HP/24TQ gain on 93 Octane. Retail pricing is $999 but we are running a special for $899.
How about altitude like Denver and does this take out the speed limiter, thanks. Oh and the shipping cost.

Can someone link me to a how you remove your ECU?
Old 02-08-2007, 01:01 PM
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Can someone link me to a how you remove your ECU?
I think it was Renntech that had a "how to" listed on their site, but I can't find it now. Its very easy to do though. Here is a link to pics and description. Pretty basic for all Mercs.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w208...u-removal.html
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Originally Posted by Sidez
why would that be impossible? those gains are even less than I would expect.. It is eaither that or the claimed HP by mercedes is off... I would expect those gains just doing the SL55 intake, but the N/A crossfire gains are very noticeable

Less than you would expect eh? The crossfire is 330HP/310Trq stock and if that dyno is setup the same as the Dynapak that I use, this means that they have gotten almost 70HP out of tune / sl55 intake. I don't see that happening.
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Originally Posted by mig888
The difference is that the dyno is representing RWHP by correction factor (AMG Jerry's & FrankW's dyno charts, etc right?). JLevi's advertised gains are flywheel HP - very conservatively underrated - which is a pleasant surprise!

Needless to say, many C32s will be downed by this Crossfire SRT-6

The Dyno I use represents whp, not flywheel. I have proven this by doing a dyno on a Dynojet and coming up with almost the same numbers.

I don't see modded C32's being owned by this car.

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Originally Posted by jgsx
Oh, if those are at the flywheel, then yeah they make sense. I just assumed that they were at the wheels. I know it says flywheel on there, but there was just a discussion about another similar sheet, and it was agreed that it was rwhp even thought it said fly
I agree...if this is flywheel power, then these numbers make sense. I would like to see a Dynojet graph with this SRT-6 to see the difference.
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Originally Posted by AMG-Jerry
The Dyno I use represents whp, not flywheel. I have proven this by doing a dyno on a Dynojet and coming up with almost the same numbers.

I don't see modded C32's being owned by this car.
I believe this dyno is the same dyno the unfortunate AMGSC dyno'd on as well, and the WHP he got from this dynapack nearly matched the WHP he obtained on dynojets and other dynos too. I too believe the dynapack and dynojet don't differ in final power readings substantially.
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Originally Posted by AMG-Jerry
I don't see modded C32's being owned by this car.
Frank's got an SI-tuned C32? We should ask him if he wants to run the owner of the SI-tuned Crossfire - apparently they are local enough.
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So is this ECU tune specific for your mods ....... eg I will have an ASP pulley, headers, sl55 intake and run on 98 Octane only ....... would you be able to give me a specific tune for my car, without it visiting your dyno.
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The picture clearly shows FLYWHEEL Horsepower at the top of the screen. Which means some kind of correction has already been applied to the displayed numbers.

This is why I do nto trust DYNAPACK, it allows the operator too much freedom in playing with final numbers.


I don't see modded C32's being owned by this car.
Agreed.


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