Concept M3 revealed
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I think that any car with over 350HP should come with MANDATORY safety training. Street cars are now available with the kind of horsepower formerly restricted to pure race cars -- but they do not have roll cages, multi-point harnesses, nor helmets. In a country with 65MPH speed limits, there is virtually NO reason to own a car that can go 180MPH.
Man, I see these rich high school kids driving a brand new white M5 around my way, and they're racing their friends who have Acura's (TSX), and Honda's - and the fact of the matter is those Acura's and Honda's floor it and get to 60-70. While he floors it and before he knows it he's at 130MPH and God help him to think quick if a diversion comes along. Those M brakes are good, but not that good.
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What you're saying is, there should be faster speed limits! 
I sorta agree with this, sorta dissagree, I think people going too slow can be just as hazardous as people going too fast. There's a happy medium, but all in all, if you can't drive well, you shouldn't be on the road period, whether it's too slow or too fast because you're a danger to others.
I sorta agree with this, sorta dissagree, I think people going too slow can be just as hazardous as people going too fast. There's a happy medium, but all in all, if you can't drive well, you shouldn't be on the road period, whether it's too slow or too fast because you're a danger to others.
Um... people going too slow are dangerous...??? hmm ... let's think about this... If you and I are driving and hit each other at 5MPH, let's access the damage.Okay, 10MPH. Let's assess the damage. Okay, 60MPH... oh, now let's assess the damage. Make it more interesting? 140MPH, let's assess the damage?
Sorry to shout you out like that, but that made no sense, it's obvious the faster you go, the more dangerous it gets. Airbags don't deploy in an accident of 20MPH, but they do at 70, cause otherwise you'll die!
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Like a Camry? Um, no. But I know what you're saying.Actually the 335 looks proper, good enough to please a 60 year old retire who wants a convertible/coupe and good enough to please someone young who wants a luxurious sports car. Remember, the 335 isn't suppose to look overly aggressive (at least not standard), the M3 is (but not overly aggressive otherwise you'll end up with the Lexus IS-F, which maybe a little tooooooo much). However, the 335 starting next year will have M-Accessories, which if you add them you'll get a sportier, more aggressive look - something like the ZHP 330.
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Um... people going too slow are dangerous...??? hmm ... let's think about this... If you and I are driving and hit each other at 5MPH, let's access the damage.Okay, 10MPH. Let's assess the damage. Okay, 60MPH... oh, now let's assess the damage. Make it more interesting? 140MPH, let's assess the damage?
Sorry to shout you out like that, but that made no sense, it's obvious the faster you go, the more dangerous it gets. Airbags don't deploy in an accident of 20MPH, but they do at 70, cause otherwise you'll die!
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But I do agree, the faster you go, the worse the wreck will be, IF you do get in a wreck. I guess we're arguing two different points though, I'm arguing that getting in a wrecks doesn't always equate to speed, and you're arguing the faster you go the worse the wreck, which I 100% agree with.
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Like a Camry? Um, no. But I know what you're saying.Actually the 335 looks proper, good enough to please a 60 year old retire who wants a convertible/coupe and good enough to please someone young who wants a luxurious sports car. Remember, the 335 isn't suppose to look overly aggressive (at least not standard), the M3 is (but not overly aggressive otherwise you'll end up with the Lexus IS-F, which maybe a little tooooooo much). However, the 335 starting next year will have M-Accessories, which if you add them you'll get a sportier, more aggressive look - something like the ZHP 330.
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Everytime I see one around, I think its a camry. Its probably the taillights. Its just plain ugly, I dont care whats under the hood (which as far as I am concerned, isnt a big deal at all). I dont really know who they designed that car for, buts its not for me
Now the M3, in a four door, I would reconsider. Its just aggressive enough to make it look nice.
Sadly, I had a new bmw lemon a couple of years ago. They bought it back from me after a month of being in and out of the dealership for various problems. So i dont know if I would ever buy a bmw again.
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The rumors are that BMW M are finished with SMG and will not be putting it in the new M3. From what I've gathered, the new M3 is going to come standard with a 6 speed manual and have an option of either a new dual cluth tranny or steptronic auto. If dual clutch is a reality, we may not see it until maybe a full year has passed with the standard manual M3. I am hoping for it.
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The rumors are that BMW M are finished with SMG and will not be putting it in the new M3. From what I've gathered, the new M3 is going to come standard with a 6 speed manual and have an option of either a new dual cluth tranny or steptronic auto. If dual clutch is a reality, we may not see it until maybe a full year has passed with the standard manual M3. I am hoping for it.
I hope BMW stays at the forefront to keep stick shift alive for several more years to come.
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This is why I'd never buy a C-Class AMG, they don't make 6-speed manuals. I understand when you talk of the S65 and those high end AMG's, but I feel for a C-Class, that's a drivers car, offer the 6-speed, it'd give Mercedes' name a whole different meaning.
I hope BMW stays at the forefront to keep stick shift alive for several more years to come.
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I hope BMW stays at the forefront to keep stick shift alive for several more years to come.
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You don't even want to do that. Trust me, if drivers could drive perfect then BMW, Mercedes-Benz and all others would gladly let you turn DSC off completely; but unfortunately half of the driver's can't and the other half thinks they can.
A lot of people have given BMW stick about limiting the M5 and M6 to 400HP (you have to set it to 500), but the fact of the matter is these cars are actually killing and severely injuring people (especially the people in the latter group -- who think they can handle it), so I think it's important to give these cars some limitations, because if we're at 500HP now, it's only a matter of time before people can afford cars with 1000HP -- and imagine that tragedy!
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A lot of people have given BMW stick about limiting the M5 and M6 to 400HP (you have to set it to 500), but the fact of the matter is these cars are actually killing and severely injuring people (especially the people in the latter group -- who think they can handle it), so I think it's important to give these cars some limitations, because if we're at 500HP now, it's only a matter of time before people can afford cars with 1000HP -- and imagine that tragedy!
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I rather have an S4 than a 335i
and I rather have a RS4 than M3 at this point.
Audi is better in the outside and inside.
BMW faster
Audi better looking and a bit slower.
I take the audi.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...cute=1&Count=1
and I rather have a RS4 than M3 at this point.
Audi is better in the outside and inside.
BMW faster
Audi better looking and a bit slower.
I take the audi.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...cute=1&Count=1
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Looks to me like it's going to be way too nose-heavy, and in fact too heavy overall. My car is proof that power cannot overcome mass when it comes to the twisties - I predict this will be the worst handling of all M3 generations.
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I don't think it'll handle that poorly, mainly b/c of the revised M-Differential, but we shall see when it's released...
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This is why I'd never buy a C-Class AMG, they don't make 6-speed manuals. I understand when you talk of the S65 and those high end AMG's, but I feel for a C-Class, that's a drivers car, offer the 6-speed, it'd give Mercedes' name a whole different meaning.
I hope BMW stays at the forefront to keep stick shift alive for several more years to come.
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I hope BMW stays at the forefront to keep stick shift alive for several more years to come.
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I actually have lots of fun with the auto shift..
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I rather have an S4 than a 335i
and I rather have a RS4 than M3 at this point.
Audi is better in the outside and inside.
BMW faster
Audi better looking and a bit slower.
I take the audi.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...cute=1&Count=1
and I rather have a RS4 than M3 at this point.
Audi is better in the outside and inside.
BMW faster
Audi better looking and a bit slower.
I take the audi.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...cute=1&Count=1
Audi's are distinct. I like them, they're beautiful, but I don't know about some of their interior features. For instance, they way you open a sunroof on the Audi... hmm... Interesting and unique, but not my cup of tea. The way you increase the heated seats... again, an interesting way to do it, but hm, funny. But it's very distinct, and I think the S4 is not my first choice (when comparing with the BMW and Mercedes competition); but the RS4 draw my attention.
But in general, when comparing (I'm talking about all models, trims and from 1990-2008 - generally speaking):
A4 - C-Class - 3-Series
A6 - E-Class - 5-Series
A8 - S-Class - 7-Series
For me, Audi comes last (in all) / Mercedes and BMW rotate. And I don't mean that in a bad way, I'd rather an Audi to say a Lexus, or Infiniti, or other competitors, but just not over a BMW or Mercedes. Not yet.
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With the amount of traffic these days I am glad my car is an auto.. To me the car is exciting/fun enough that it doesn't need a stick.. Even if it was an option on the C63 I wouldn't get it, even though I know that won't happen.
I actually have lots of fun with the auto shift..
I actually have lots of fun with the auto shift..
By the way, in traffic I can always tell an SMG M3 to the 6-speed*. See how close he stays behind the car ahead. If he gives the car ahead miles before he moves, stick. If he moves bumper to bumper (stop and go, stop and go), SMG.
*Lazy and aggressive drivers do vary the results a little, but generally it's a good indication.
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Well that's obvious, considering the 335 isn't compared to the S4.
Audi's are distinct. I like them, they're beautiful, but I don't know about some of their interior features. For instance, they way you open a sunroof on the Audi... hmm... Interesting and unique, but not my cup of tea. The way you increase the heated seats... again, an interesting way to do it, but hm, funny. But it's very distinct, and I think the S4 is not my first choice (when comparing with the BMW and Mercedes competition); but the RS4 draw my attention.
But in general, when comparing (I'm talking about all models, trims and from 1990-2008 - generally speaking):
A4 - C-Class - 3-Series
A6 - E-Class - 5-Series
A8 - S-Class - 7-Series
For me, Audi comes last (in all) / Mercedes and BMW rotate. And I don't mean that in a bad way, I'd rather an Audi to say a Lexus, or Infiniti, or other competitors, but just not over a BMW or Mercedes. Not yet.
Tee_Tz.
Audi's are distinct. I like them, they're beautiful, but I don't know about some of their interior features. For instance, they way you open a sunroof on the Audi... hmm... Interesting and unique, but not my cup of tea. The way you increase the heated seats... again, an interesting way to do it, but hm, funny. But it's very distinct, and I think the S4 is not my first choice (when comparing with the BMW and Mercedes competition); but the RS4 draw my attention.
But in general, when comparing (I'm talking about all models, trims and from 1990-2008 - generally speaking):
A4 - C-Class - 3-Series
A6 - E-Class - 5-Series
A8 - S-Class - 7-Series
For me, Audi comes last (in all) / Mercedes and BMW rotate. And I don't mean that in a bad way, I'd rather an Audi to say a Lexus, or Infiniti, or other competitors, but just not over a BMW or Mercedes. Not yet.
Tee_Tz.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/audi-r8-2007-2008.html
