Newzchspy

I am seeing Qtr times on this forum of 12.4 to the low 13s at the worst for the C32 . I am also seeing trap speeds of 105-112?


The latest test I've seen of the C63 has the Qtr at 12.5 at 114.4. Do you realize that a very well "ripped" C32 is running real close to the C63 in the Qtr? ?? WOW, who would've thought?? I love it. Better than that, the modded C32s are about equal to the $70,000 Lexus ISF. Granted, the ISF is not modded, BUT to run with these guys (C63 and IS-F is awesome!!) Dragtimes has the ISF averaging about 12.8 to 13.2 at an average of about 111, so the C32 (moded) is running right with it. Woo hoo!!! Dragtimes is showing the C63 at 12.3 and 12.5 at 113.00 to 116.00. Again , the C32 is a whisker away from these times!! A stock C32 is equal to or beating the Audi RS 4!1 Eat this TIFOSI!!!!


Some of this info came from the June 2008 RT edition with the Ferrari California on the front where they comparison tested the C63 vs the ISF v the M3 and the Audi RS 4

german32er

supercharged, thats it!

and only a little bit more as half Cubic capacity

i love this, i drive nearly 8 jears a Golf mark 2 & 1.8T engine -> 320PS, 443MN, 1120 kilo look at -> http://fotoalbum.web.de/gast/fastralf/Rot

an now the "family car" C32

Newzchspy

[QUOTE=german32er;2847301]supercharged, thats it![B]

and only a little bit more as half Cubic capacity

Good Point, thing is, I don't care how they got there, Just get there!!! For a 3.2 litre engine with a small s/c, the times I am seeing on the forum & Dragtimes are amazing!!


Glenn

MB_Forever

I don't mean to take anything away from the C32, as I used to own one myself and LOVED every second of that car, but just wanted to clarify a few points.

On average, most Stage 2 C32s best out at 12.6 to 12.7, and I think only less than one percent of those heavily modded C32s actually dip into the 12.4 range. The C63, on the other hand, is averaging 12.3 to 12.4 and it's only been out for a couple of months. Give it a year or so for people to learn how to launch it correctly and optimize all its driving techniques, and run it in good weather, and then I'm sure we'll see a couple of sub 12 passes easily.

Of course, once the C63 starts getting modded, the dynamic will really change . Here are some mods for the C63:

Current Mods
==========

• ECU Reprogramming
• Shorty Headers
• Larger Carbon Fiber Air Boxes

The mods above are expected to raise the hp output from 451 to 560 hp

Future Mods
==========

• Supercharger (low boost version +3 to +5 psi)
• Supercharger (higher boost version +5 to +9 psi)
• Kleemann Twin Turbo

The mods above are expected to give hp output from 600 to 800 hp

TemjinX2

comparing modded to stock isn't really a apples to apples comparison, but i see your point. All the people who bought there c32's used got a good deal performance to dollar wise.


I loved the fact we're starting to see some really aftermarket parts for the c32. We're not going to start seeing real numbers until LET finishes there front mounted turbo kit.

Once that happens we'll start seeing 500whp-600whp c32's. Then it would be limited to how well the tranny will hold up on that much power.


thanks for the numbers.

c32AMG-DTM

I believe I've seen it posted that the C32 tranny is the same as the S/C'ed E55 tranny - which has had somewhere in the ballpark of 700 hp thrown at it I believe (whether or not any reinforcements were added, I am not sure).

Anyone want to confirm if the m112k and m113k transmissions are the same or different?

AMGMIZ

you can't compare a stock car to a modded car.

Newzchspy

Of course, once the C63 starts getting modded, the dynamic will really change . Here are some mods for the C63:

Current Mods
==========

• [*]
• [*]
• [*]

The mods above are expected to raise the hp output from 451 to 560 hp

Current Mods
==========

* ECU Reprogramming
* Shorty Headers
* Larger Carbon Fiber Air Boxes

The mods above are expected to raise the hp output from 451 to 560 hp

I doubt that headers, a flash air box are going to give it another 109 HP? I can see a supercharger doing that and more, BUT not those above???

Newzchspy

You CAN when you've sunk 65-70 into a new C63 and only 20 into an 04 C32?? Why not??? Once LET comes out with the TT C32, I think the C63, as great as it is, will be a glimmer in the rearview!! Can't take that away from a great car for even greater money $$$.

TemjinX2

great news. for me though, i would stop at 500whp if i went the turbo route. I think anything above that makes the car pretty much unstreetable.

turbo16lbs

Now that we're talking about modified vs. stock lets not forget C55's.... Just because they aren't force inducted doesn't mean it hinders their capacity to make power. Look at C55asleep?.....

kindafast

Nice comparison

MRAMG1

A VERY good point MB_Forever

Only the very fastest C32's are running with a STOCK C63. Lets not confuse the issue as they are probably not broken in yet, nor do we know the calibar of driver in the C63's. I like that we are close, but even a modded 32 is going to loose my friends.

See yeah

FrankW

makes me feel better about my 6 year old car...yes. do i really care there are other NEW cars that are faster...not really.

just today I did a short canyon run. that's all i care about now...driving to put a smile on my face.

c32AMG-DTM

Well... the issue is, does the C63 really have *only* 451 hp, or is that a b.s. rating to keep the MB heirarchy in line? Since it's the exact same engine as the 505 hp 6.2 V8 found elsewhere, it's reasonable to assume 560 hp (that'd be about 465 rwhp) from ECU, airbox, and headers.

If you follow the CLK63BS sub-forum, you'll see jrcart's car, which evosport has tuned up over 500 rwhp with just ECU, slight intake mods, and long-tube headers - since it's the exact same engine, the same *should be* possible with the C63... time will tell

AWDman

c32 and e55 both share same tranny. i forget the designation # but do know it's rated to handle 750 ft lb torque (don't get confused with hp). the 7 gtronic is not as strong and could not be used in the amg 65 range and 600 v12 TT cars.

i consider the robustness of the tranny one of the major strong points of the c32. that and 22+ mpg hiway.

saw a c63 in person at lime rock on monday didn't like it. car will age quickly.

c32used

With LETs 185mm pulley and LET custom tune we have seen a virtually stock C32 do safely low 12.4s(loungn14) unless the wires, pheumonic spacers and heat exchanger added to it...regardless thats fabulous and with stock intake. I can imagine with Quaife LSD and headers also cams and bigger feul injectors what the bar will be raised to imagine adding NOS to the equation?

loungn14

Good point vic...

This thread is interesting. I don't really think its fair comparing apples to oranges, but it is nice to know that I could run with a C63 without looking bad..

Cams and fuel might be on my list of things to come...but as far as the funny gas...I dont think I will go down that path. I worry about engine issues with that. (even though jerry is running nicely with it)

1qikctr

well said.

TMC M5

Are you seriously using that argument?

Wow...using your logic maybe I can buy a C36 and TT it for way less than the price of C32 and your mods....and look at you in my rearview mirror....

See how ridiculous you sound.....

Tom

TMC M5

The C32 and E55 tranny is not exactly the same as the V12TT tranny's. The E55K uses the W5A900 -rated at 900Nm (664lbs-ft of TQ). The 600/65's use the W5A1000 - rated at 1000Nm (738lbs-ft of TQ). The C/SLK55 uses the W5A580 which is rated at 580Nm (428lbs-ft of TQ). I would imagine the C32 uses the same as the C55.

Here is a link to Kleemann's website detailing the ratings (in case you thought I was making this stuff up ).

http://www.kleemann.dk/site/Main/faq

Tom

TMC M5

Two huge holes in your argument....the best C32 runs are on drag radials and run by people on good tracks. If an E63 can run 11's bone stock....the C63 can run 11's bone stock. The C63 will run well into the 11's with drag radials. Before you declare victory (or an enthusiastic tie)...why don't you wait for the car to be delivered and actually run at a track ...not some magazine. Otherwise, it is apples to oranges....

Tom

AWDman

thanks! good find.

c32AMG-DTM

Excellent info!

However, your educated guess on the C32 tranny doesn't fit with what many others have posted, which is that the E55 tranny and the C32 tranny are one and the same. Then again, I just thought of something - the E55 from the same years as the C32 was a N/A E55, not the E55K. Did the N/A E55 and the S/C'd E55 share the same tranny, or was the later, more powerful car's tranny upgraded?

TMC M5

I think you answered your own question.

Tom