Needswings Intake Manifolds are finished *PICS*
09-18-2008, 06:47 PM
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Honestly I'm getting all confused on who is doing what now. So we have the LET intake, the pipes between the manifold and intake that 240M3SRT made, and then these manifolds. Each one on it's own seems to claim 20+HP to the wheels. I've been waiting for the LET intake in carbon fiber but now I have no idea wtf to do.
Anyways, here's the pic of the dyno results for those who don't have an account over there.
-Rich
Anyways, here's the pic of the dyno results for those who don't have an account over there.
-Rich
Intake manifolds are generally aluminum or even composite type plastic but have also been know to be cast out of steel (old school stuff). Intake manifolds deliver the air or fuel or both (depending if it is direct injection or not) mixture into the heads.
09-18-2008, 07:41 PM
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Intake and Intake manifold(s) are 2 completely different pieces of the puzzle. I mentioned it earlier in this thread that the term "intake" is an extremely vague term for an air filter system which became the vernacular with the sport compact crowd. Through time it stuck.
Intake manifolds are generally aluminum or even composite type plastic but have also been know to be cast out of steel (old school stuff). Intake manifolds deliver the air or fuel or both (depending if it is direct injection or not) mixture into the heads.
Intake manifolds are generally aluminum or even composite type plastic but have also been know to be cast out of steel (old school stuff). Intake manifolds deliver the air or fuel or both (depending if it is direct injection or not) mixture into the heads.
240M3SRT mentioned that our 'manifolds' are cast magnesium... they're obviously cast, but I'd always assumed cast aluminium - can anyone confirm what metal they're made out of?
09-18-2008, 10:04 PM
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Honestly I'm getting all confused on who is doing what now. So we have the LET intake, the pipes between the manifold and intake that 240M3SRT made, and then these manifolds. Each one on it's own seems to claim 20+HP to the wheels. I've been waiting for the LET intake in carbon fiber but now I have no idea wtf to do.
Anyways, here's the pic of the dyno results for those who don't have an account over there.
-Rich
Attachment 139717
Anyways, here's the pic of the dyno results for those who don't have an account over there.
-Rich
Attachment 139717
09-18-2008, 10:10 PM
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To complicate things even further - the intake manifolds on the M112K are integrated into the supercharger housing. These parts simply connect the manifolds to the post-supercharger Y-pipe.
240M3SRT mentioned that our 'manifolds' are cast magnesium... they're obviously cast, but I'd always assumed cast aluminium - can anyone confirm what metal they're made out of?
240M3SRT mentioned that our 'manifolds' are cast magnesium... they're obviously cast, but I'd always assumed cast aluminium - can anyone confirm what metal they're made out of?
Disclaimer: I really know very little of magnesium (other than the fact that it is very light and highly flammable under extreme heat), so if I am wrong, please set the record straight!!!
09-19-2008, 01:41 AM
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Yea I know. It would have been nicer if the runners weren't cast into the supercharger housing... Would be a lot easier to swap in a Kenny Bell blower or similar.
09-19-2008, 08:22 AM
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You know... that's interesting. Just brainstorming here, but if manufacturers are making full, replacement manifolds (like those pictured in this thread) - they could probably extend the runner length by the appropriate amount for anyone who would want to run an aftermarket blower: i.e. have two product variations "intake manifolds - stock blower, short version that mates to the blower's manifolds" and "intake manifolds, aftermarket blowers, long version that mates to the heads" - might that work? I'm trying to picture why it wouldn't... and not coming up with anything yet.
09-19-2008, 01:23 PM
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You know... that's interesting. Just brainstorming here, but if manufacturers are making full, replacement manifolds (like those pictured in this thread) - they could probably extend the runner length by the appropriate amount for anyone who would want to run an aftermarket blower: i.e. have two product variations "intake manifolds - stock blower, short version that mates to the blower's manifolds" and "intake manifolds, aftermarket blowers, long version that mates to the heads" - might that work? I'm trying to picture why it wouldn't... and not coming up with anything yet.
09-20-2008, 05:54 AM
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You know... that's interesting. Just brainstorming here, but if manufacturers are making full, replacement manifolds (like those pictured in this thread) - they could probably extend the runner length by the appropriate amount for anyone who would want to run an aftermarket blower: i.e. have two product variations "intake manifolds - stock blower, short version that mates to the blower's manifolds" and "intake manifolds, aftermarket blowers, long version that mates to the heads" - might that work? I'm trying to picture why it wouldn't... and not coming up with anything yet.
09-21-2008, 01:11 AM
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Most of us SRT6 owners have less than 10k on the clock. I don't think I've even heard of anyone over 35k miles. I've ran hooleyboy and juicee63 quite a few times in the past. With these, I may be back in the juicee63 timeslip zone.
09-21-2008, 01:13 AM
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I've read that they were made of magnesium too, but I don't think you can weld aluminum to magnesium. I'm not even sure you can weld magnesium to magnesium. This would indicat that the stock parts are in fact not made of magnesium.
Disclaimer: I really know very little of magnesium (other than the fact that it is very light and highly flammable under extreme heat), so if I am wrong, please set the record straight!!!
Disclaimer: I really know very little of magnesium (other than the fact that it is very light and highly flammable under extreme heat), so if I am wrong, please set the record straight!!!
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They sure look like plane jane aluminum to me...............and so did the shavings when I was gasket match porting my manifolds and s/c.
If anybody here buys the Needswings manifolds and no longer wants their stock "AMG" manifolds I will gladly buy them off of you.
09-21-2008, 11:40 PM
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Wow, nice low miles! My comment to c32AMG-DTM, was toward other C32 owners. Since our cars have been around since 02, we've collected more miles.
09-22-2008, 02:46 AM
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Mine has under 3500 on the odometer. Why don't you come run with me out at speedworld. I'm headed to NV for a nat'l event, but will be out there in 2 weeks. I might have some goodies installed for you to experience first hand. I don't know if you know hooleyboy or juicee63, but they show up ever now and then. It would be nice to meet some of the other locals. Juicee is king with his cls63 laying it down CA style.
09-22-2008, 02:50 AM
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For those that do cut theirs, stock manifolds are going to fetch a pretty penny.
I'll never part with mine, as I said before when I get tired of the car it's going back to stock and on CL.
09-22-2008, 03:05 AM
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Mine has under 3500 on the odometer. Why don't you come run with me out at speedworld. I'm headed to NV for a nat'l event, but will be out there in 2 weeks. I might have some goodies installed for you to experience first hand. I don't know if you know hooleyboy or juicee63, but they show up ever now and then. It would be nice to meet some of the other locals. Juicee is king with his cls63 laying it down CA style.
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For what it's worth the M113 V8's use an aluminum/magnesium mix of some type. I found this out when porting/polishing the several pieces of the intake manifold. Mbenzman confirmed this when he was working on his intake too.
My neighbor is an engineer and when I was doing the work he said that in the solid state it is nothing to worry about but the magnesium shavings/dust all over my shop he said could pose a flamable danger. Good thing i don't smoke.
My neighbor is an engineer and when I was doing the work he said that in the solid state it is nothing to worry about but the magnesium shavings/dust all over my shop he said could pose a flamable danger. Good thing i don't smoke.
09-22-2008, 01:41 PM
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09-22-2008, 04:36 PM
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That's cheap, I just called my local MB and they want $210 each side, but you better hurry because they are in Germany and only 6 left side and 6 right side in inventory. Guy said no one has ever ordered before. Will take a few weeks to arrive. Scoop them up because I don't see that part being made continously. That's only $2400 to corner the resale market on these.
09-22-2008, 07:43 PM
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It won't be till mid october, and should be nice and cool by then. SECC usually rents the track in Dec as well. The numbers really change with a supercharged motor. It's night and day when it's hot out. See you out there.
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Ohh; if anybody wants to buy up the rest of the existing stock of AMG manifolds from M-B let me know. I'll buy them for you and sell them(to you) for a lot less than $210(plus tax) each.
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The manifolds............just like the cars............will never appreciate in value. I don't care what "base" AMG car you have whether it's an SRT-6, C32, C43, C55, C63 or a C69(I made that one up). Generally only the rarest TOP of the line niche cars will hold their value and/or appreciate.
Ohh; if anybody wants to buy up the rest of the existing stock of AMG manifolds from M-B let me know. I'll buy them for you and sell them(to you) for a lot less than $210(plus tax) each.
Ohh; if anybody wants to buy up the rest of the existing stock of AMG manifolds from M-B let me know. I'll buy them for you and sell them(to you) for a lot less than $210(plus tax) each.
09-24-2008, 05:29 PM
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Rob track tested the new manifolds. Not bad for 87 degrees and the 116mph trap speed is nice!
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we made it to the track on saturday, it was 87f on the dashboard as we pulled in, first pass was a 1.85 60ft to a 12.15x@115.xx, i them turned the car over to liz to see how she could do, she ran consistant 12.34-12.37's all day with the most 60 ft's in the 1.98-2.02 range while breaking into the 116mph traps. im pretty sure this makes her the quickest/fastest female if that counts for anything, lol. looks like we have the fastest trap speed non nitrous on dragtimes. i was tryign to coach her on the launch to cut a sub 1.8 which should have went into the 11's btu it didnt happen, ill keep the car to myself when we get a cooler day
