The new Granturismo (non-S) has an automatic and it is mechanically a two door quattroporte. Everything I hear is that it drives like a boat. But it is absolutely gorgeous.

However I was talking about the post 05 Gransports which don't have the transaxle problems that the normal coupes did. But as with any SMG, the clutch plates do not last very long (20-30k miles) and cost ~$3k to replace. So if you get one, make sure it was replaced recently.

Temjin: I've never heard of any car, short of an F1 car or Carerra GT that requires a post-track $2k checkup, not including consumables. On nagtroc.org, people are saying those $4k tires are only lasting 1 day, even in autocross situations. Even people I know that track Ferrari's (post 2003) aren't dealing with these levels of costs. And I was wrong about the brake service, it really is $5k: http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....dpost&p=345463
Guess a lot of GTR owners will be switching to ceramic rotors pretty soon cause of this.

there getting a supercar for 1/2 to 1/3 the price of a supercar in the same performance level up front. If they can't afford the maintence, why did they buy the car in the first place?

they should've done there research before they bought the car. There buying a car that had a nurburg ring time of 7:29, do they honestly expect there maintence to be the same a nissan sentra? Come on, just sounds like whining to me, or they didn't do there research before hand.

No one said they had to spend $4k a on tires, they can use other brand of tires other then the stock ones. Tirerack shows gtr tires around $400 each, which is within line of what we spend on our tires.

Wouldn't you rather spend $70k for the car and spend the $4k on maintence once in awhile, given most people that buy these cars do not use them as daily drivers? Or spend $126k up front with a 911 turbo and pay $2k in maintence?

The gtr was suppose to come with ceramic rotors, but they decided not to keep costs down on the initial sticker. Ghosen stated before the car was even produced that the car couldn't be more then $70k msrp.

The spec v will probably have the ceremics, carbonfiber and other additions, but thats set to be $100-120k.

The gtr is a lot of performance for the money you spend, but i understand if it doesn't appeal to everyone. It made porsche finally wake up and notice there cars are over price for what they are.

get to know some JDM shops and I doubt the maintenance will be $4k each time.

911 TT All The way. That car has everything from class, sporty, handles fast the list goes on.

Please post pics of what you decide on.

I have about 40K to play with for a used car and my wife looks at me like It is hard to say when you have that sum of cash for a car in this economy you can get a boat load of things.

Here you go I just saved you 40K

http://www.paulscarcare.com/pcc.nsf/...2574DA0053ED0E

It is getting to be winter here so I am sure they would move on the price. This is a Highline shop that sells cars for higher end clients. I have bought a couple cars from these guys and they are top noth.