Got into a fight with a couple BMWs over the past couple days...
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650i is 3900 lbs and 360hp crank. He has a c32 with a code3 pulley and power chip tune at 3700lbs and around 320-333whp, thats about 400-416hp to the crank.
And yes he would destroy a 650i with those mods, not even close.
How about you figure out the facts before you post stupid comments like that?
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the fastest most heavily modded c32 on dragtimes {loung14} trapped 115, all the other "modded" ones are way down in the 103-109 range as rickar said and the only people arguing this are the c32 owners...no disrespect but us v12TT and v10 guys seem to knows what's up and a c32 w/green filters is barely beating a 650 and not close to an m6...
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uhmmm do you even know his mods?
650i is 3900 lbs and 360hp crank. He has a c32 with a code3 pulley and power chip tune at 3700lbs and around 320-333whp, thats about 400-416hp to the crank.
And yes he would destroy a 650i with those mods, not even close.
How about you figure out the facts before you post stupid comments like that?
650i is 3900 lbs and 360hp crank. He has a c32 with a code3 pulley and power chip tune at 3700lbs and around 320-333whp, thats about 400-416hp to the crank.
And yes he would destroy a 650i with those mods, not even close.
How about you figure out the facts before you post stupid comments like that?
you c32 guys venture out of your little forum to the kills sectiobn and you'll see the whole rest of us are sighing
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Really? Well the facts say an M6 would pull on a 650 far easier than a c32 would on a 650...just look at the power to weight.
the fastest most heavily modded c32 on dragtimes {loung14} trapped 115, all the other "modded" ones are way down in the 103-109 range as rickar said and the only people arguing this are the c32 owners...no disrespect but us v12TT and v10 guys seem to knows what's up and a c32 w/green filters is barely beating a 650 and not close to an m6...
-Rob
the fastest most heavily modded c32 on dragtimes {loung14} trapped 115, all the other "modded" ones are way down in the 103-109 range as rickar said and the only people arguing this are the c32 owners...no disrespect but us v12TT and v10 guys seem to knows what's up and a c32 w/green filters is barely beating a 650 and not close to an m6...
-Rob
here is my M6vsC32 thread....read it and read it well.....perhaps you will understand/agree with some of the factors that must be taken into consideration
https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stor...vs-bmw-m6.html
and take a look here
http://dragtimes.com/BMW--M6-Drag-Racing.html
and notice the times and trap speeds. trap speed as low as 111.5....and times ranging from mid 13s to mid 12s (in our range...i'm aware there are lower times, but i'm only mentioning those in the C32 range)....definitely in the C32 range.....so in a 1/4 mile from a dig? it is 100% possible to hang with an M5/6....from a low roll, it is entirely possible.......up top? 85+ no.......i would say not....and thats why i ask you to read my thread which addresses a race between the two.
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i trap 112 at high temps on 91 octane.....running mid 12s (12.5s-12.6)
here is my M6vsC32 thread....read it and read it well.....perhaps you will understand/agree with some of the factors that must be taken into consideration
https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stor...vs-bmw-m6.html
and take a look here
http://dragtimes.com/BMW--M6-Drag-Racing.html
and notice the times and trap speeds. trap speed as low as 111.5....and times ranging from mid 13s to mid 12s (in our range...i'm aware there are lower times, but i'm only mentioning those in the C32 range)....definitely in the C32 range.....so in a 1/4 mile from a dig? it is 100% possible to hang with an M5/6....from a low roll, it is entirely possible.......up top? 85+ no.......i would say not....and thats why i ask you to read my thread which addresses a race between the two.
here is my M6vsC32 thread....read it and read it well.....perhaps you will understand/agree with some of the factors that must be taken into consideration
https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stor...vs-bmw-m6.html
and take a look here
http://dragtimes.com/BMW--M6-Drag-Racing.html
and notice the times and trap speeds. trap speed as low as 111.5....and times ranging from mid 13s to mid 12s (in our range...i'm aware there are lower times, but i'm only mentioning those in the C32 range)....definitely in the C32 range.....so in a 1/4 mile from a dig? it is 100% possible to hang with an M5/6....from a low roll, it is entirely possible.......up top? 85+ no.......i would say not....and thats why i ask you to read my thread which addresses a race between the two.
I'm gonna read your link now but it already seems like you and i are more in agreement than we at first thought, certainly c32s can run great elapsed times and can shock "the big boys" at the lights...that's where the fun is at many times
to make clear agin tho a m6 trapping 111 has an ill person behind the wheel
-Rob
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Two things I wanna make clear before i read it... i know you have a quick c32 and also I respect the c32 as a car. I like them and would happily rock one so apologies if I gave the impression i didn't respect the car in its own right. it's just like the m3, many owners can get carried away.
I'm gonna read your link now but it already seems like you and i are more in agreement than we at first thought, certainly c32s can run great elapsed times and can shock "the big boys" at the lights...that's where the fun is at many times
to make clear agin tho a m6 trapping 111 has an ill person behind the wheel
-Rob
I'm gonna read your link now but it already seems like you and i are more in agreement than we at first thought, certainly c32s can run great elapsed times and can shock "the big boys" at the lights...that's where the fun is at many times
to make clear agin tho a m6 trapping 111 has an ill person behind the wheel
-Rob
i have no disagreement with you and i think we are seeing relatively eye-to-eye. i just want to clear up that i feel that it IS possible for a C32 to keep up and maybe pull a little bit....most likely scenario would be an extremely high modified car such as mine, loungn's, grammas, or silverbullets....and from a dig or low roll up to just before 100....where the tq difference on the C32 makes a larger impace....up top, i still feel (and you will read this in the thread) that the M5/6 will pull up top....i'm not debating that..i dont know from personal experience, but just from accounts i have read....and well, some common sense idk........obviously numbers are numbers, but to update those numbers in that thread i linked you to, i actually put down 360whp and 380wtq on the dyno dynamics....i dont recollect what i wrote in that thread.
and no, i'm not taking it personally or against the car. i'm well aware of its limits and have had my share of stompings....just saying that there IS a chance.
as per trap speeds, we all know that there are so many variables to consider...and while driving is extremely important, so is DA. my buddy's LS1 camaro traps 112 in phx but 107 in tucson...why? DA in phx was 3000....DA in Tucson was 6500. so many factors.
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M6's in a stock form are gutless when it comes to torque. They make power up top but, when you got like a 100wtq over a stock M6, you will have some get up and go. Not go and then get up like the M6...
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It would show greater maturity if you just admitted you didn't know what you talking about and how much power he was really putting down then trying to change the subject and trying to insult me.
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wanna see a C55 (not mine) beat an M5 V10? Lets just say this is one way to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvXVe-UIb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvXVe-UIb8
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street racing is completely on a league of it's own......and can not be compared to drag times and 0-60 or 1/4 mile runs. there's just too many factors. use some common sense 
nice kill and thanks for sharing
nice kill and thanks for sharing
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wanna see a C55 (not mine) beat an M5 V10? Lets just say this is one way to do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvXVe-UIb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBvXVe-UIb8
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We're not ripping on the C32 in general...
haha rob,
i have no disagreement with you and i think we are seeing relatively eye-to-eye. i just want to clear up that i feel that it IS possible for a C32 to keep up and maybe pull a little bit....most likely scenario would be an extremely high modified car such as mine, loungn's, grammas, or silverbullets....and from a dig or low roll up to just before 100....where the tq difference on the C32 makes a larger impace....up top, i still feel (and you will read this in the thread) that the M5/6 will pull up top....i'm not debating that..i dont know from personal experience, but just from accounts i have read....and well, some common sense idk........obviously numbers are numbers, but to update those numbers in that thread i linked you to, i actually put down 360whp and 380wtq on the dyno dynamics....i dont recollect what i wrote in that thread.
and no, i'm not taking it personally or against the car. i'm well aware of its limits and have had my share of stompings....just saying that there IS a chance.
as per trap speeds, we all know that there are so many variables to consider...and while driving is extremely important, so is DA. my buddy's LS1 camaro traps 112 in phx but 107 in tucson...why? DA in phx was 3000....DA in Tucson was 6500. so many factors.
i have no disagreement with you and i think we are seeing relatively eye-to-eye. i just want to clear up that i feel that it IS possible for a C32 to keep up and maybe pull a little bit....most likely scenario would be an extremely high modified car such as mine, loungn's, grammas, or silverbullets....and from a dig or low roll up to just before 100....where the tq difference on the C32 makes a larger impace....up top, i still feel (and you will read this in the thread) that the M5/6 will pull up top....i'm not debating that..i dont know from personal experience, but just from accounts i have read....and well, some common sense idk........obviously numbers are numbers, but to update those numbers in that thread i linked you to, i actually put down 360whp and 380wtq on the dyno dynamics....i dont recollect what i wrote in that thread.
and no, i'm not taking it personally or against the car. i'm well aware of its limits and have had my share of stompings....just saying that there IS a chance.
as per trap speeds, we all know that there are so many variables to consider...and while driving is extremely important, so is DA. my buddy's LS1 camaro traps 112 in phx but 107 in tucson...why? DA in phx was 3000....DA in Tucson was 6500. so many factors.
So a couple days ago, pretty late at night, I'm driving down, minding my own business, when a brand new white M6 blows past me.
Interested in giving Lenneth a serious test, I decide to keep pace and catch up. The M6 accepts my challenge, and we get around 75. On the first take off, I am *actually* keeping the M6 in check. We're neck and neck up to about 130. Past 130, I actually start to *eeeedge* the M6 out in acceleration. We stopped at around 140.
M6 is obviously very aggravated, and wants to run again. Again we go to 75...and again, the results are the same. M6 grants me much earned respect, and we cruise home respectively.
That night, I was *very* proud of my car.
The next day, I get called out by a 335i...which really isn't a big deal. It wasn't modded, because the 335i found out very quickly it bit off more than it could chew. Lenneth pretty much walked away from the opposing vehicle without effort.
I was given props by the challenger, and we went on our way.
Interesting note: This probably doesn't mean much...but the BMW had a '76' emblem on the trunk that replaced the standard M6 emblem. It looked like a jersey font. I'm curious as to if it was some sports guy I challenged and defeated.
So, long story short, I'd say this is my best victory yet...unless you think the CL55 victory on the freeway was better.
...Yes, this is a repost, but I figure I let you guys know in particular as well as the in the general spot. :p
Interested in giving Lenneth a serious test, I decide to keep pace and catch up. The M6 accepts my challenge, and we get around 75. On the first take off, I am *actually* keeping the M6 in check. We're neck and neck up to about 130. Past 130, I actually start to *eeeedge* the M6 out in acceleration. We stopped at around 140.
M6 is obviously very aggravated, and wants to run again. Again we go to 75...and again, the results are the same. M6 grants me much earned respect, and we cruise home respectively.
That night, I was *very* proud of my car.
The next day, I get called out by a 335i...which really isn't a big deal. It wasn't modded, because the 335i found out very quickly it bit off more than it could chew. Lenneth pretty much walked away from the opposing vehicle without effort.
I was given props by the challenger, and we went on our way.
Interesting note: This probably doesn't mean much...but the BMW had a '76' emblem on the trunk that replaced the standard M6 emblem. It looked like a jersey font. I'm curious as to if it was some sports guy I challenged and defeated.
So, long story short, I'd say this is my best victory yet...unless you think the CL55 victory on the freeway was better.
...Yes, this is a repost, but I figure I let you guys know in particular as well as the in the general spot. :p
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shocking that it only put down 390whp and 280wtq.....makes much more sense now
same dyno and nearly the same day/conditions of my last dyno, i put down 30 less whp and 100 more wtq......and with that weight difference....definitely feasible to at the least keep up with. thanks for that dyno post mike. good stuff!
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The text in the OP thread state "He ran an M6 from 75 mph -140 mph twice w/the MUCH less modded c32 than (jturkel) taking lead both times" Absolutely impossible & should be chalked up as mentally divergent M6 driver or silly re-badged 6 series, not heralded as a serious Victory for lightly modded c32
we're in no disagreement. same page.
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I agree on 0-60 (worthless inmop) also 1/4 ET's have little bearing on real world street comparo's, yet Trap speeds are indicitive of a cars TRUE power/speed the M5/M6 have EZ 8-10 mph trap edge over lightly modded c32 in question, that equates to train lengths being pulled @ 75-140 mph
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A beautiful machine, but he couldn’t hang…and he wonders why I’m regularly dicking around in the garage. Wasn’t ‘til the twisty bits when the lowly - mildly tweaked - C32 thoroughly redeemed itself.
His stocker has far more pleasant bark when it fires up in the morning, and I pretend not to notice M5/6s.
No discounts on subsequent visits to his successful dental practice, though. :D
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Jeez, everyone calm down.
I can tell you for certain it was an M6. It had that particular sound their V10 engine makes because it revs so high. If it was a 650, I would've killed the damn thing. I was holding onto 550i's when I was bone stock. And another thing, who really cares about numbers and such? I barely won and I'm happy about it.
God, everything I post half the time ends up in a flame war. I posted a topic about BRAKE PADS once and it exploded into a flame war.
Tomorrow I'm going to dyno my car and find out its specs. I'll let you know what happens then.
I can tell you for certain it was an M6. It had that particular sound their V10 engine makes because it revs so high. If it was a 650, I would've killed the damn thing. I was holding onto 550i's when I was bone stock. And another thing, who really cares about numbers and such? I barely won and I'm happy about it.
God, everything I post half the time ends up in a flame war. I posted a topic about BRAKE PADS once and it exploded into a flame war.
Tomorrow I'm going to dyno my car and find out its specs. I'll let you know what happens then.
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I have posted in the kills section, most of us already said the m5 should win on the top end. But your statements clearly depict your lack of knowledge how much power a modded c32 puts down.
It would show greater maturity if you just admitted you didn't know what you talking about and how much power he was really putting down then trying to change the subject and trying to insult me.
It would show greater maturity if you just admitted you didn't know what you talking about and how much power he was really putting down then trying to change the subject and trying to insult me.
mbh motorsport vendor gent....m v10s dyno 420-430 regularly (not 390) and tq means squat unless it's an in-gear race or someone wants to win by getting a huge jump...so not sure of the relevance of your post
I'm over this...many have spoken up to say m's from a med/high roll-on will devastate even a well modded c32 and it's been nice discussing with classy members like jturkel who seem to know a bit about working under hoods like me...
-Rob
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Most people here have a very high post number (500-thousands) so I am assuming no one in this thread is posting sh***t.
It's good to show who knows what
If you kill one, enjoy it and try to kill it again if you think you can.
If you think no way, keep your thinking, spend your time on other fun things why bother?
Just let it go people
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you began the insults, but i'm done talking with you corona kid... you should step aside and let your more esteemed c32 brethren do the talking before you taint the whole brotherhood...
mbh motorsport vendor gent....m v10s dyno 420-430 regularly (not 390) and tq means squat unless it's an in-gear race or someone wants to win by getting a huge jump...so not sure of the relevance of your post
I'm over this...many have spoken up to say m's from a med/high roll-on will devastate even a well modded c32 and it's been nice discussing with classy members like jturkel who seem to know a bit about working under hoods like me...
-Rob
mbh motorsport vendor gent....m v10s dyno 420-430 regularly (not 390) and tq means squat unless it's an in-gear race or someone wants to win by getting a huge jump...so not sure of the relevance of your post
I'm over this...many have spoken up to say m's from a med/high roll-on will devastate even a well modded c32 and it's been nice discussing with classy members like jturkel who seem to know a bit about working under hoods like me...
-Rob
I could show you 100 M v10 dyno runs..However until it happens for us all see there will be speculation. The relevance of the dyno post shows that a modded C32 could hang or at least have the benefit of the doubt.
