MJ9723

Hi guys,
Need your advise please.
I am trading my 06' C55 for certified 2004 Porsche 911 Coupe
I have not had a Porsche before so need your advise; I would be grateful for all your advise/help! Link listed below:
kindest regards,
~MJ

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...e&rdpage=thumb

MIKESV8

You're not upgrading/that's too much imo. Go for the 996 tt, that's what I'm going to eventually do.

reflex92

For that amount of money their are much better options IMO. But still a nice car..

ddtham

I have been thinking about getting my first Porsche and have done numerous readings online and Porsche enthusiast books. The general consensus in Porsche forums is that 996 Non-turbo are prone to the following:
1. Rear main seal leak
2. Intermediate shaft failure causing catastrophic engine damage (not that often I heard, but they do happen and this means brand new engine if not detected early)
3. Stiff clutch requiring updated parts
In that price range, there's a lot of fine cars you can get if performance is a huge criteria. Mk 2 911 non-TT is comparable to C32/55 in a straight line. W211 E55/63 is much faster or you can get SL55 if you want two door.

The 996 TT however is pretty much bullet proof. So it depends on what you need/want, but I would spring the extra money for a TT

Good luck!

Viper98912

This is exactly why I didn't buy a 911, and why you can get them so cheap. Look a few years before the engine redesign and you'll see them about double the price.

Gramma_Benz

Yeah, 911's have always been my favorite car, but if you look at the price differences between the 993's and the 996's....that tells it all. Older car, twice the price.

993 FTW!

Mark.D

I love 911's. But I would NEVER own one without a FLAWLESS history. And I would never own one if I didn't have something else to drive daily. The dealership support sucks, repairs are extreme. And to be honest, they are a dime a dozen, I'm not so sure they are as special as they once were.

That being said, if you are going to use this as a weekend car, why not just go for the C2S?

Newzchspy

*** Totally agree ^^^^, I'd get the TT if YOU had the $$$, one of the greatest performance cars ever made *** Find one with Sport Chrono and you're rockin..............

wawy

Nice car. At least its an S

moosejaw

At least its an S
My neighbor picked a 03 up for $8K off of CoPart, pulled motor, upgraded the crankshaft, repainted it, and got a new interior.
The interior is dated but its getting cocha off the streets of miami
Ive been tempted to loan him the E Cinco Cinco to see it's true P*ssy Power.
Still its a nice car nonetheless

RLx02

Same. There was a website talking about how 911's have random engine failures...the TT's are bulletproof but the n/a ones were not.

ByeTurboS4

Non Turbo 911s are sick cars, and theres def something to be said about rolling a sick P-car, but Ive been test driving a lot of them, and they def feel slower than you might expect. Slower than my chipped s4. There also not a ton of room for performance mods without spending tens of thousands of dollars. Most carrera owners will talk about suspension mods. The problem is everyone says just get a Turbo but the price jump is huge! At this point Id rather have the torque monster c32. Turbo one day.

MJ9723

Many thanks Guys for all your input!
It is very helpful. Much appreciated!
the only thing is that the Porsche is certified for 100k/2years (from now) does that have any merit to it? Will the car hold its value in 2 years time?
cheers

PJK

I don't have either a 993 or a 996 (nor have I ever owned a P car), but the price difference between the two designs is primarily due to the aesthetic differences (the 993 is nicer looking) and the fact that the 993 is the last air cooled engine (and 911s are supposed to be air cooled according to the die hard Porshefiles).

Engine reliability is NOT the reason for the price difference.

To further prove this point, compare the prices of the 993TT and 996TT. The 993TT is more money and is slower (and not any more reliable).

xxaarraa

Yes. Certified for 2 years is a HUGE plus in my book. All this talk of engine failure becomes moot if there is Porsche warranty for 2 years. The price seems reasonable. The depreciation on that in 2 years may be very similar to the depreciation on your C55 in two years, so what do you lose?

I personally wouldn't do it since non-turbo P-cars aren't as quick but cost a lot of money. If you were looking for a high-strung, sporty, top handling car, what's wrong with an M3? Thousands cheaper than a P-car, same performance in my book. I just don't think they are good value, but that's just me.

But if you have your heart set on it, I say it sounds like a good deal. Keep us posted on how it goes!

Newzchspy

Where do I start?? So, you're saying trade in your C55 for an M3??? HMM, sounds like a downgrade to me, BUT hey, thats just me.

And, the M3 wont get Miami Cocha like the P Car, so thats the real reason...........

xxaarraa

Not comparing M3 to C55, comparing M3 to non-turbo 911. Not sure how you understood my post to be a comparison of M3 to C55.

I was trying to explain that 911/M3 = both high strung, tightly sprung track cars that are low on torque, make power high up in the band. M3 is right up there with the non-turbo 911 performance-wise but better value.

I just recently sold my M3, so well aware.

Newzchspy

I got you loud and clear, BUT seems to me that going from a 4 door C55 to a 4 Door M3 is not what he'd looking for?? If he were looking for ultimate handling and a two seater, I'd do a AP2 (F22C1) and call it a day!!!

Viper98912

Turning onto my street I saw a Porsche on a flatbed. Heh

PadresFan

The general consensus in Porsche forums is that 996 Non-turbo are prone to the following:
1. Rear main seal leak
2. Intermediate shaft failure causing catastrophic engine damage (not that often I heard, but they do happen and this means brand new engine if not detected early)
3. Stiff clutch requiring updated parts


My last car was a Porsche '03 986S, and the 3.2l M96 engine is the same design as the 996. I can tell you I had not one, but two RMS failures in 3 years, the second was caused by the failure of another part, the Air/Oil Seperator (another common failure). The clutch gets stiffer as it wears, I replaced my first at 47k miles. The IMS failure is real and scary. There's no official stats on this from Porsche, but I've heard as high as 10% failure rate. Go to renntech.org and search "IMS failure". There are guys on the forum who've had multiple IMS failures. You can also search flat6innovations, who have designed an upgrade to solve the IMS issue, if you want to be proactive.

Newzchspy

+1, great info thanks for sharing? Sounds like the Sword of Damocles engine failures problem that BMW had about the same time

Out of interest, does the P-Car TT suffer these problems as well??

MIKESV8

no, all tt owners i know say they'd buy one again (and they did actually a few times) and i read up about the 996 tt engine and i read that some of its components are shared in the gt1. i'll try to find the article.

PadresFan

To my knowledge, the flaw is in the M96 engine. Any car with one of those, regardless of liter disposition or model or year, has the potential for the IMS failure. If I recall, there was a factory attempt to 'upgrade' the bearing and bolt design at the root cause of the IMS failures, but this hasn't eliminated it altogether. I asked my SA to check my bearing during one of my RMS replacements, since I already had access to the part since the transmission was out of the car. I even inquired if they'd replace with the flat6 innovations part if I ordered it. They indicated I had the upgraded Porsche part, and of course refused to install an aftermarket part if I purchased it.

That said, I loved that car and would own another if it wasn't my DD.

rlddlr53

My father has a 993 c4s, hands down better than a 996 anyday

Newzchspy

Depends on whether you want a wasserboxer or not??? 993s are looking really dated these days!! (Particularly the interior)

Plus, you can't pull that kind of power out of an air-cooled engine!! The sound of the 993 is to die for though!!! Nothing better under hard acceleration.........Just squats and goes!!