tw2

I have read all the oil change threads, I bought a 9L extractor pump, got 2x mann 718/5 filters from ebay, bought 10L of mobil 1 0w40 and the tool for getting the filter housing apart (76mm 14 sided for anyone looking to get one).

Ran the car for a minute to stir all the crap up. I then took the filter housing off which involved a lot of force with my 3/8 wrench, I am not sure how some of you do it with your hands. Using the extractor to get the oil out is a very clean procedure but f*ck the filter assembly drips oil all over the place, I recommend a rather large rag/towel to put around/under it to get it out of the engine bay. I have never owned a car which doesn't cause a huge mess when changing the oil filter.

I am stuck on a couple of things. The oil filter assembly... from what I can tell the long plastic thing which sticks into the engine does not come out of the plastic cap for the filter right? There are 3 O-rings I can see but the oil filter came with 4. Is there a hidden one or does it just come with an extra O-ring?

Also how long does it take you guys to suction all the oil out? Mine is literally dripping into the container. With a lot of vacuum it will become a small trickle at most. It took about 20-30 mins to get about 2 quarts. Is this right?

I'll post some pictures when I am done for anyone else. I have done dozens of oil changes on japanese cars but this is a whole new boatload of fun.

Viper98912

No, the suction amount is not correct. I don't use the suction method but many on here do. I prefer the bolt method...

Unscrew the filter and leave it loose in engine. This will cause it to depressurize and most of the oil that's in it will dump into the pan. Then you can take off the filter with minimal spillage.

There are only 3 rings on the stem and the large one on the cap. There is an extra.

loudandheard

I use the suction method and it works for me. I use to do the bolt method, but it's so much work. Were you suctioning the oil from the dipstick tube? I use a plastic bag and a paper towel to remove the filter from filter assembly cleanly. I remove my filter assembly with a strap wrench, maybe yours was tightened too much. Everything takes me about 30 minutes total.

testknight

I use drain plug method as well, takes me about 5 minutes to get car up and panels off... personally wouldn't bother going out to buy an extractor (if you do get a good one, which is even more $$)...as if you save any time against plug method it's minutes at best. I would not want anyone reading this thread to believe this is any harder than a regular oil change (and when I did plug method I was still getting same amount of oil as those using extraction):

- jack up car, put on stands
- pull panels off underneath car (about 6 bolts or so)
- pull out filter (top side of engine)
- screw out drain plug under car
- get new filter squared away and installed (don't remember exactly now, I just pull the old one, replace orings/seals and put it back in
- if oil is done draining, put plug back on then panels and take car of stands(or ramps, hate those myself)
- reset oil interval inside car (see video on youtube for that)


oh, I personally wouldn't have run the car before draining oil, when you do that the oil is circulated so you really then need to let the car sit for a bit to let it all settle in the oil pan again before draining.

I think you sound right on the oil filter, I believe I remember not having to use all four orings (as this filter isn't just specific to our own model it's likely needed for a different application)

Last the mobile 1 you bought is the European spec, correct?

tw2

Thanks for the advice. I will resume the oil change after work tonight so it will have been sitting for a while by then. 2 quarts is all I got before I decided to call it quits for the night, I realize I should have about 8-8.5 afterwards. The mobil 1 is 0w40, fully synthetic and meets the 229.3 and 229.5 standards, that is all I can remember. It is a surprisingly hard oil to find, there was only one shop that sold it $316 for 10L (exactly the same as what MB sells it for here) but I managed to find some online for $210 for 10L = approx US$150.

loudandheard

That's ridiculously expensive. Walmart sells 0w40 for $6-$7 a quart.

91RS

I'm not sure they have Wal-Mart in New Zealand.


Running the car first is the best way though. Get it up to operating temperature and the oil will also come out MUCH faster.

03MBC32

Curious to know what brand of vacuum pump your using. I use a Mityvac to suck out the oil and it drains the crankcase fast. You might have an air leak on one of your fittings.

Tump43

2nd that, with my mitivac all 8.5 liters are removed in under 6 minutes. Everyoine else is right about the filter and o rings -- I always have an extra o ring after replacing them all.

macbryanie

I hear ya; its $198 AUD for 10l of M1 0w40 for me. I am considering going either Liqui Moly Leiehtfauf High tech 5w-40. http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/w...szi8jz9uh.html

tw2

I would love a walmart.
I will try this next time. Unfortunately our version of the large sell everything store really sucks. You wouldn't find anything more exciting than the cheapest 15w40 mineral oils and some car batteries in the automotive section.

It is just a regular unbranded one which wasn't horrendously expensive. It was leaking in a few different places which I managed to tape up. I didn't want to pull it all apart half way through the job but I will have a better look and do a better repair once I am finished.


NZ and Australia give a whole new meaning to "gotta pay to play". I saved $100 getting my spark plugs from needswings than locally. That includes shipping and exchange rates.

tw2

So all I managed to get is 5.60 quarts. It started bubbling air and the oil flow dropped off so it has picked up all the oil it can. I have the tube pushed down as far as it will go but I realize this is less oil than I should have.

This is the oil I got and the 76mm 14 side filter cap socket.



I bought two of these filters on ebay incl shipping for less than one at MB here.



On a brighter note, this came today.


They look great from a distance, I guess just don't look too closely. The flanges are really thick and the design is very good. The construction is in general very good, all mounting surfaces are smooth and the airflow looks like it would be great. An extrude hone wouldn't be enough to smooth the inside and the welds... but I'm sure they will flow a lot more than the stock manifolds so thank you eurocharged, I might do a dyno when they are in.

03MBC32

"So all I managed to get is 5.60 quarts."

If this is imperial, it would covert to about 6.73 US quarts. When you refill add the same amount you took out and use the dyno mode to check the level. Easier to add than take out and waste that expensive oil.

c32AMG-DTM

My process is essentially identical to loudandheard's. Having a disposable plastic bag ready for the old filter element is handy, and the strap wrench works just fine for the housing.

Also, to aid in suctioning (as Viper mentions), unscrew the filter assembly, and the oil fill cap, and leave them open while you're sucking out the old oil. My Mityvac pump isn't terribly fast, and I suspect it doesn't seal 100%, but I still am able to change the oil in an hour or two, without having to get on my back or messing with ramps, jackstands, etc. Pretty easy and clean swaperoo.

tw2

It will be much easier the next time I do it. Even if it takes ages I still find it nicer and cleaner than getting under the car. I think I can do it without spilling any oil at all.

I read the volume wrong, I got about 6.9-7.0 litres which is about 7.3 US quarts so it looks like I got all I needed to after all. I have put about 6.5L back in and I will check the level and top it off tomorrow. I guess the joy of the extractor pump is you can easily remove excess oil although I agree it is not a good idea to waste it at the price it is.

The extractor is leaking around the fitting that is removed to pour excess oil away. Now that it is covered in oil it might seal better otherwise I will have to try and find a better O-ring.

Can oil level be measured on a cold engine? The manual is not very clear except to say wait 5 minutes after reaching operating temperature.

loudandheard

I usually read it when it's cold, but you need to go in to dyno mode to see the actual liters/quarts. Do not go by the main menu, it doesn't really give you any info other than it's ok or preferred service is on time. Make sure you're on a level surface or the reading can be off.

tw2

I will look at dyno mode. What should it be? 8.5 quarts?

Is the usual "oil level ok" enough to go on? The manual says it will tell you if you need to add 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 etc litres or reduce oil volume.

tw2

Car said oil level ok, dyno mode showed 5.9 litres, then I ran it for 5 mins, shut it down, waited and then it said add 1.5 litres. Did that and now it says level ok again. I will have to use the dyno mode to show where it is now.

If anyone could please tell me how much it should say is in there using dyno mode, that would be great. I cannot see it anywhere on the forum.

MarcusF

When you bought the pump did the instructions say to tighten the screws along the top? There is a pump of a very similar design, and if the screws are not tightened, the pump won't hold vacuum properly.

Also, the hose that you use to extract the oil –
If cut at too big of an angle, it leaves too much oil in the sump (which may be why some folks say vacuuming doesn’t extract all the oil). If the hose is left flat, it may sit flat on the bottom of the pan and impede vacuum.

W203Ramos

I <3 my mityvac..... @ tw2 might as well smooth those headers out with a dremel b 4 you put them in.

03MBC32

I have my oil level at 7.5 litres cold since 8 litres will occasionally set a reduce oil level alarm when the car is fully warmed up.

tw2

I will check it shortly. I was 5.9 and I added 1.5 so hopefully it is around there.

Will do, or possibly someone else will do. I don't have a long enough extension for my dremel to reach all the way in.

Thanks, I had considered this, mine is cut horizontally so this is not an issue. When I first started I wondered if it was hard to suction because it was sealing against the floor of the pan but lifting it 1/2" didn't help progress.

loudandheard

Mine usually reads what I put in, but the car is very sensitive to being on a level surface when reading the oil level. I've been off as much as 1.5 liters just by barely being on an uneven surface.

macbryanie

Came accross this on the c63 threads thought to share: "bhamg" thanking you for the info,
229.5 Multigrade engine oils (Specification 229.5)
Last update: 02/06/2012

PRODUCTNAME 0W-30 0W-40 5W-30 5W-40 PRINCIPAL
8100 X-cess MOTUL SAE 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
ADDINOL SUPER POWER MV 0537 x Addinol Lube Oil GmbH, Leuna/Deutschland
AeroShell Oil Diesel Ultra x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Agip SYNTHETIC PC SAE 5W-40 x ENI S.p.A. - Refining & Marketing Division, ROM/ITALY
ALPINE Longlife SAE 5W-30 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Alpine RS 0W40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
ARAL HIGH TRONIC M SAE 5W-40 x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL HighTronic M SAE 5W-30 x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SUPER TRONIC G x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ARAL SuperSynth x Aral Aktiengesellschaft, Hamburg/Deutschland
ASTRIS MAGIS SAE 5W-40 x Astris S.A., 6745 GIORNICO/Schweiz
AVIASYNTH 5W-40 x Avia Mineralöl-AG, München/Deutschland
Biloxxi 5W-30 x MCC Trading Deutschland GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
bp superV Plus 5W-40 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
bp Visco 5000 5W-30 x BP p.l.c., LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 0W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge 0W-40 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE 5W-30 A3/B4 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional A3 0W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge Professional A3 5W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE PROFESSIONAL A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE Professional Diesel 5W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol EDGE TITANIUM 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Edge with SPT SAE 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol Magnatec Professional A3 5W-40 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Castrol SLX Professional Longtec 0W-30 x Castrol Limited, SWINDON/UNITED KINGDOM
CEPSA star 5W40 SYNTHETIC x Cepsa Lubricantes, S.A., MADRID/SPAIN
Cepsa Star Mega Synthetic 0W-30 x Cepsa Lubricantes, S.A., MADRID/SPAIN
Chevron Supreme Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
Consol Ultra x Vial Oil Ltd., FRYAZINO, Moscow region/RUSSIA
Divinol syntholight MBX SAE 5W-30 x Zeller+Gmelin GmbH & Co. KG, Eislingen/Deutschland
elf EXCELLIUM 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full Tech 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Elf Excellium Full-Tech 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Engen Xtreme Syn 5W-40 x Engen Petroleum Ltd., JOHANNESBURG 2000/REPUBLIC of SOUTHAFRICA
Everyday Full Synthetic 5W-40 x Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd, WANTIRNA SOUTH/AUSTRALIA
EVOLUTION OEM Series I 5W-30 x TOP 1 Oil Products, San Mateo, CA/USA
EVOLUTION OEM Series I 5W-40 x TOP 1 Oil Products, San Mateo, CA/USA
Fastroil Premium Plus SAE 5W-40 x HILL Corporation, Shymkent/KAZAKHSTAN
Fina FIRST 600 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn LONGLIFE 5W-40 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
Fuchs TITAN Supersyn Longlife SAE 5W-30 x Fuchs Petrolub AG, Mannheim/Deutschland
G-Energy F Synth 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy F Synth 5W-40 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
G-Energy Service Line MS 5W-30 x Gazpromneft-Lubricants LTD, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
GALP Active 3000 M 5W40 x Petrogal S.A., LISSABON/PORTUGAL
GALP FÓRMULA XLD SAE 5W-40 x Petrogal S.A., LISSABON/PORTUGAL
Gulf Formula GMX x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Gulf Formula GX x x Gulf Oil International, London/ENGLAND
Havoline Ultra BM x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
LIQUI MOLY 5W-40 LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH x Liqui Moly GmbH, Ulm/Deutschland
LOTOS SYNTHETIC PLUS SAE 5W40 x Grupa Lotos SA., GDANSK/POLAND
LOTOS SYNTHETIC TURBODIESEL PLUS 5W40 x Grupa Lotos SA., GDANSK/POLAND
LubriGold Full Synthetic 5W-40 x Warren Oil Company, Inc., WEST MEMPHIS, AR 72303-2048/USA
LUKOIL GENESIS 5W-40 x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE MC x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
LUKOIL LUXE Synthetic x OOO LLK-International, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
master oil v-tec Premium 0W-40 x Interparts Autoteile GmbH, Stuttgart/Deutschland
MB 229.5 Motorenöl A 000 989 83 01 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
megol Motorenoel High Condition x Meguin GmbH & Co. KG Mineraloelwerke, Saarlouis/Deutschland
Mercedes-Benz PKW-Synthetic Motorenöl Blatt 229.5 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Midland Synqron x Oel-Brack AG, HUNZENSCHWIL/Schweiz
Mitan Alpine RS 0W-40 x Mitan Mineralöl GmbH, Ankum/Deutschland
Mobil 1 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Arctic 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil SHC Formula MB 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Mobil Super 3000 Formula M 5W-30 x Exxon Mobil Corporation, FAIRFAX, Virginia/USA
Motul 8100 X-max 5W-30 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
Motul 8100 X-max 5W-40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
Motul Synergie Tech+ 5W40 x Motul , AUBERVILLIERS CEDEX/FRANCE
OMV BIXXOL special BM SAE 5W-40 x OMV Refining & Marketing GmbH, VIENNA/Österreich
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Pennzoil Ultra Euro 5W-40 Full Synthetic x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
PENRITE HPR 5 5W-40 x Penrite Oil Company Pty Ltd, WANTIRNA SOUTH/AUSTRALIA
Pento High Performance 5W-30 x Deutsche Pentosin-Werke GmbH, Wedel/Deutschland
Premium Synthetik Motorenöl x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
Q European Engine Ultra x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Q Horsepower Full Synthetic x Pennzoil-Quaker State, HOUSTON, TEXAS 77002/USA
Quaker State Synquest x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
RAVENOL HCL x Ravensberger Schmierstoffvertrieb GmbH, Werther/Deutschland
real,- Quality GSR 5W-30 x real,- Handels GmbH, Düsseldorf/Deutschland
REPSOL ELITE Common Rail 5W30 x Repsol YPF Lubricantes y Especialidades, S.A., MOSTOLES - MADRID/SPAIN
ROWE SYNT RS SAE 5W-30 HC-D x ROWE Mineralölwerk GmbH, Bubenheim/Deutschland
ROWE SYNT RS SAE 5W-40 HC-D x ROWE Mineralölwerk GmbH, Bubenheim/Deutschland
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix HX8 x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix HX8 C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra x x x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra AB x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra C x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra E x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
Shell Helix Ultra Extra Polar x Shell International Petroleum Company, LONDON/UNITED KINGDOM
smart Motoröl 5W-30 x Daimler AG, Stuttgart/Deutschland
SRS ViVA 1 Longlife x SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH, Salzbergen/Deutschland
Statoil LazerWay 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
Statoil LazerWay TDI 5W-40 x Svenska Statoil AB, STOCKHOLM/SWEDEN
SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
SYNTIUM 3000 x PETRONAS LUBRICANTS INTERNATIONAL, KUALA LAMPUR/MALAYSIA
TAMOIL SINT FUTURE RACING x Tamoil Italia S.p.A., MILANO/ITALY
TECAR Special M Motorenöl 5W-30 x Techno - Einkauf GmbH, Norderstedt/Deutschland
Texaco Havoline Synthetic Motor Oil x Chevron Global Lubricants, GENT/ZWIJNAARDE/BELGIUM
TNK Magnum Ultratec x TNK Lubricants, LLC, MOSCOW/RUSSIA
Total Activa Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Total Quartz Energy 9000 0W-30 x Total Lubrifiants, PARIS la Defense Cedex/FRANCE
Valvoline SynPower 5W-40 x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Valvoline SynPower HST x The Valvoline Company, LEXINGTON, KY/USA
Westfalen Gigatron 0W-40 x Westfalen AG, Münster/Deutschland
YACCO VX 1600 0W30 x Yacco SAS, ST PIERRE LES ELBEUF/FRANCE
ZIC XQ 5W-30 x SK Lubricants, DAEJEON/Rep. of KOREA