C_DirtyTwo

I recently bought a pair of "Eurocharged" headers from a member here. They were never used or installed. I got ripped off, paid about $200 more than what he bought them for (found this out later), took a refund of $50 and decided to keep the headers to install.

I don't know if the guy knew the headers were ***** or not, but they are.

So far I have installed them and taken them off at least 4 times, not including the stock ones twice, and what will be a third time tomorrow.

The pipe in the middle was much shorter than the outer two, so they leaked, very bad. I tried sanding the flanges down and after much trial and error to even them out I have found there is no saving these. Not to mention one of the flanges was welded on crooked and we had to bore out one of the holes to get it on the drivers side.

This project has cost me way more money than just buying a brand new pair from Eurocharged (which I should have done in the first place), and more time and effort than I can count.

I do not see this being Eurocharged quality, I am thinking there is no way these were made by them.

Tomorrow will be day 4 of this saga as I'll be taking off those POS headers and putting the stock ones back on. I've tried different gaskets, high-temp silicone, everything. THEY STILL LEAK.

I guess everyone gets scammed once in a while.

Quicktwinturbo

Sorry to hear that man.. Who scam'd you? Disclose his/her information here..

C_DirtyTwo

Well being he did offer a refund (before install, after I found out I paid $200 more than he did, and before I knew they didn't work) I feel I cannot disclose his info.

tw2

Sorry to hear about your trouble. Do you have any photo's? There must be something off. I haven't installed mine but the flanges are perfectly straight and from the outside they look excellent. Are you going to take the refund or is it past that point? Can they be milled flat?

raymond g-

the questionable quality of these headers (contracted out, I recall) had
been posted on MBWorld before. if the cost is something you thought
was acceptable enough to make a sale and then, subsequently felt you
could have gotten a better deal after the fact, well....that is simply a case
of buyer's remorse. arguably, that would have been something resolved
prior to purchase with a little due diligence

p.s. i apologize, i'm not seeing the thread and, it is possible i erred and
remembered another euro-something headers. i'll continue to look

p.p.s bad dog....go to your room. it was kleeman, and had nothing to
do with Eurocharged. my apologies!

C_DirtyTwo

It's beyond the point of a refund. Here's apic before any install...

Gramma_Benz

Damn man, have u contacted Eurocharged about this?

C_DirtyTwo

I tried through PM but what can they do? I wasn't the original purchaser

tw2

The welds look poor but otherwise they don't looks obviously wrong to the naked eye. Maybe the flanges don't look perfectly lined up. It might just be me but the outside tube looks bigger than the other two. Sorry to say, if milling the surfaces flat is not an option then it might be cheaper to start with a new set than try and repair them. Maybe eurocharged might be willing to help cut and reweld them using their jig, maybe for a small fee, maybe goodwill.

Gramma_Benz

It's worth a try. It's still their unused product and they are good guys. Maybe they can do something to help?

C_DirtyTwo

Honestly they've been sanded and milled as much as they can be. There's no repairing them or making them work. I'll post more pics tomorrow when I take them off, but the outer flanges were getting too thin to sand any more. They appeared to be flat enough, but after install it appears they are not or maybe something else is wrong with them.

saer1one

C_DirtyTwo, your headers look completely different than the headers tw2 posted.. Look at the header group buy thread: https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c...oup-buy-3.html
Scroll down to post #65 by loungn14 and look at the picture of the header being built.. See how the middle manifold connects to left manifold.. All three of your exhaust manifolds connect together at the exhaust flange.. I do not believe the headers you bought from the member are legit Eurocharged headers according to the evidence.. They look like VRP headers..

togaclk55

Sorry to hear man

FrankW

Sucks to hear that... I had just spent some $$ to deal with my cracked old LET headers too. Definitely sucks.

_AMG_

Sorry to hear you had to go through all that trouble. Have other customers had problems with the EC headers? Could be the previous owner took it to muffler shop for some reason and had the headers repaired and didn't tell you about it.
I noticed something odd about the pictures TW2 posted and your headers, here is why.





Judging by this, either the previous owner did some serious modifications to your EC headers, or those are not EC headers.
Personally I would demand my money back, I hate seeing people get cheated like this.
All the best man, hope everything works out.

splinter

+1

C_DirtyTwo

I see the difference between the headers, but from my understanding this was their first design? So maybe LET headers?

Gramma_Benz

These are the original style of Eurocharged Headers. Mine look like this too. TW2's photos are of their new style headers which resemble more of a log type configuration.

hyperion667

good luck homey

c32AMG-DTM

I think these guys are right. These are Eurocharged shorty headers, just an earlier design. LET made 'em initially out of mild steel with a ceramic coating - Eurocharged later made the same ones (same design) but crafted out of stainless without a coating.

As long as they're structurally fine, it really doesn't matter, but the welds on both headers pictured look pretty ugly/sloppy.

Nice welding looks more like this (click through to thread on 6speed):

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...t-testing.html

To be fair, probably a very different price-point and target market.

link146

I have no experience with eurocharged therefore cannot speak to their products. However, after owning a handful of jap cars and more than a handful of jap bikes, i dont believe I ever received a fabricated, metal aftermarket piece that was supposedly "bolt on." Every part (unless coming from established companies , ie 6-10 yrs in th biz without any bs,) required headache, Dremel, shaving, cutting, bending, drilling out, grommets, washers, gaskets etc.

Perhaps you need to let her sit for a while. Give it 24-48 hrs and return to the project with a clear mind and hopefully a second party with a clear mind and 2 hands. It seems that whenever I highly anticipate arrival of a new part, I rush to install and sometimes don't wait for all the right tools and/or help. Deep breath grasshopper...give it thought, rest and try again.

The welds are crap and look as if they will fail and/or already leak. Bathtub test them.

Final thought, if they are EC headers, the company should be able to id them within a matter of seconds.

Good luck.

pointman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

C_DirtyTwo

thanks man
Yeah that was my understanding as well. Regardless, these headers were lacking quality to say the least.

I have dealt with eurocharged on many different occasions and have almost all their products on my car and would recommend them to anyone....these headers are NOT eurocharged quality...not sure what happened.

As for the anticipation and giving it a second try, I assure you there is not an install error as I have installed these and tried everything multiple times. Thanks for the advice though.

As for IDing the headers Im not sure how they would do that?

tw2

Those pictures in the link look almost like robotic welds. There are not many people who can do that. They MIG'd the eurocharged ones so they were never going to look perfect. Using a TIG, a nice "stack of coins" is what it should look like with good penetration and no excess "snot".

As opposed to this (I love this picture)

Zeppelin

The welds as you say seem to be the least of your problems. Hard to tell from the picture without a straight edge up against the mating surfaces but it does look like the center tube is short. Depending on how short you might be able to stack two gaskets on the center one and get away with it not leaking.

Only solution may be to cut the center flange or tube and have it rewelded in the right position. You could probably use the stock exhaust manifold as a jig to bolt it to while having it welde

If this manifold is new olod stock and the company is still in business it still might be worth contacting them to see if they would fix/replace them at no cost. Even if they are ground on as you say.

Good Luck