Pierre32///AMG

I meet a brand new just delivered RS6 coming from the dealer, we run like kids for 10 miles Audi's new owner, and 70-115 a really really marginal (almost hardly noticeable, 1-2 fts) advantage of the RS6, and 115-140, believe me, our awesome C32 start to move-move- and I passed him…
..after that we slowed down to 80 and he start first and took a better momentum than me … passing me but … again 115 I started to catch up and I passed ones more the RS6…I believe that this guy will return the car today, and get a E55
This experience, makes me remember when one time I met Brandom with his awesome E50K at the highway, and I can tell you….the Kleemann is faster than a RS6 because E50k at that speed started to take off…..
…..my theory, my 336 whtq in a 3,600 lb car and the 0.26 good coefficient of drag.
I was running 93.5 octane, 85 degrees, 5,285fts (were Turbo engines just loss 5-6% and our SC engines losses 15-17%).

My last 1/4 miler here at 5,285fts 91 degree was 14.034 sg @ 101.13 mph, with a bad 2.135 sg 60fts

Shine

Unbelieveable but sweet !
Your C32 is about 400+ ps, right ?

Sleestack

No offense, but I believe that the guy was going easy on you b/c his car was brand new and he didn't want to go wide open on his throttle. If you think your car is actually faster than an RS6, especially at higher speeds, you are engaging in some very wishful thinking. Not to say your car isn't nice, but it just wouldn't make any sense.

Pierre32///AMG

Sleestack you may be right, but let’s see the ratios at sea leave:

MyC32 vs. RS6
My car is 3,600 lb, and based in R&T Aug '03 the RS6 has a weight of 4,100 lb.
ok.... lets say my car has 405 hp and 410 lb-ft with 93.5 octane, and RS6 has 450 hp & 415 lb-ft 91 octane.
NOW, one important thing at those speeds is the Cx or coefficient of drag, which ALOT of people forget. The RS6 Cx=0.35 (http://weaky.free.fr/fiches/de/audi/RS6_02.htm) vs. 0.27 our C32. (SL55 vs. Murcielago 120-180 mph..concept)

plus,
lb/hp ratio: MyC32 8.88 vs. 9.11 RS6
lb/lb ft ratio: MyC32 8.78 vs. 9.92 RS6

now there is a factor that may support Sleestack point , which is that at this altitude, turbo car does loss 6% app. and SC muuuch more like 15%.

Sleestack

OK, now you're getting way too smart on me... so all I can say is, put the pedal to the metal and leave everyone behind.

Fikse

I believe it.... a modded c32 can certainly keep up with the RS 6 on the highway.... off the line the c32 will get dusted because the RS 6 has all wheel drive...

after that, take a look at the September 2003 Motor Trend, the RS 6 only pulled 108 MPH in the 1/4 mile..... we've seen stock C32's pull 106...... add a little more HP and the C32 is right there.....

now the E55 is a different animal... pulling 116+ MPH trap speeds..... getting close to Viper territory....

I can't see why anyone would choose the RS 6 over the E55.... $8,000 more for what? all wheel drive? the E55 will trounce the RS 6 like it's turbochargers had lost boost....


Brooks

Pierre32///AMG

Fikse...
the E55 another category....
as I said I believe that the RS6 owner is calling the MB delaer.....and remember I am at 5,285 ft....what would had happened 1,000 or 2,000 ft lower altitude....oh yeah baby....further, my car has between 70-75 lb-ft & 45-50 hp more than stock.....I magine how runs Vadim's (EVOsport) C32 with so far 100 lb-ft & hp over stock .

Well, the RS6 looked really sweet I have to say like dinamita!, and helped for the twin turbos at this altitude it has a awesome torque ---> building momentum at the high way, performance.

Vader13

heres my kill thread at DTMLink

DL_AMG

Nice race but on the street...
I thought RS6 doesn't even come with Avant for US market, only Sedan.

95AccordV6

It is not a fair comparison between a modified car and a stock car. Comparing a stock C32 AMG to a RS6, I really can not see how the M-B can beat the Audi. But it's okay, not that many cars could beat this monster.

Vader13

Well from 0-60 its not that quick, I drove one, and went toe to toe with a new one, not broken in and on the street behind or shop. The car def needs some tuning, its big and heavy..
In 4th and beyond that thing is a monster stock.

KiddJoey

I've seen magazines get between 4.3 and 4.8 0-60s. That is quick in my book. From a standing start, I have no doubt that a well tuned and very well driven (especially from standing start)C32 can hang for a short while. Otherwise you're saying that a stock C32 can also hang with an E55... NOT !!

Just my well experienced $.02 cents.

Vader13

Keep believeing the mags.
I drove one and I did say it was not broken in, At break in the Audi is very fast.
We are getting one delivered from Champion and being an APR dealer we will do all availble upgrades.
Its fun being inside the industry at time like these.

KiddJoey

I agree on the times of today... shocking at the number of high horsepowered cars coming out. Who would've thought there'd be a four door sedan running mid-low 12's (E55) ?!! I've spent way too much money on my '00 S4 to stay ahead of the curve only to see brand new heavier cars running that fast.

I was unaware that APR had anything for the RS6 yet... guess I should of know they'd be working on some kits. I think MTM and Sportec are the only kits currently available for the buying public ?

Joey
'00 Audi S4

Vader13

Well to get a great kit to market, having one without a project car is scetchy. We take allot of info from the grand am series, we have a RS4 conversion S4 that still need tweaking after the kits been out for years.
There will be a kit available, but since the car has limited numbers it wont sell to great. Its just a damm kool thing to do ..
Yeah Cars are getting fast, Its like a new Muscle Car Race.

KiddJoey

Yep, I'm driving an RS4 tuned S4 (RS4 turbos, injectors etc.) but with MTM tuning. No tweaking needed for their kit If, you're talking about APRs RS4 kit that explains some of the 'tweaking' problems (certainly for their 'A' box year 2000 kits).

Sorry for hijacking this thread

But back to the thread, with more and more force inducted cars coming out, you'll be seeing more and more cars that can be easily tuned and surprise many of the unsuspecting 'stock' rides.:p

Vader13

Check ours under Audi at www.hartmann-motorsports.com
The tweaking is more upgrading, we just got a new mold for a manifold, stuff like that.

Project HMS RS4+

After having a blown turbo, we decided to build our S4 as an expression of what could be achieved with the use of properly matched parts and the right tuning. The result: Our 450HP daily driven HMS RS4+.

Project RS4+ features the following:

APR Stage 3 Kit with APR Software * HMS RS4 + Kit which includes RS4 aluminum intercoolers, magnesium intake manifold, RS4 large throttle body, RS4 aluminum Intake plumbing and other RS4 parts not offered in the APR Kit but available as an addition when doing the conversion. * HMS RS4 Cam shafts * APR Sport Exhaust * APR downpipe Kit with catalytic convertors * HMS Sport clutch kit with aluminum flywheel * Intrax Cup Kit which includes Koni Shocks and Intrax Sport Lowering Springs * Intrax Sway Bars * Brembo 14" Brake Kit, with Ferrari F50 Calipers * HMS Rear S8 Brake conversion *19x8.25" Technomagnesio SuperTouring Wheels with Pirelli tires.

If you are considering a Stage 3 conversion , Project HMS RS4+ is available for a demonstration.

Project HMS RS4+ also features real Audi Supertouring wheels( made by technomagnesio ) measuring 19x8 1/4 inches. Made of lightweight Magnesium ( weighing approx 10 lbs each ). These wheels were originally made for the Audi supertouring team in Europe and we were able to acquire a set before they were drilled for single lug ( mono lock ) . These are believed to be the only set on a street car in existence

KiddJoey

I saw that car in EuroTuner. I'm not that fast. Should be interesting to see how that car does in the European Car S4 Challenge.

Vader13

We missed it, but we are putting back together one of the cars from it, I was 100% Destroyed by vandles in the Primedia parking lot. It was a 1.8T from Seatlle, silver with some decent upgrades.

KiddJoey

No-no, the S4 challenge is in September and Hartmann-Motorsport's car is currently entered.

European S4 Challenge

Vader13

Opps I was think of the Euro Tuner challange.
Yeah I hope its running good..LOL