UK EVO mag C55 review...
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tanx for this great scanned review bilal!!!
I think they forget that the c55 is a 4 doors saloon and the m3 a 2 doors sport coupe!!!
that not the same category!!!
this c55 rocks!!! when I see this awsome pictures I want to drive it !!!
another review here :
c55 AMG @ autocar Online
I think they forget that the c55 is a 4 doors saloon and the m3 a 2 doors sport coupe!!!
that not the same category!!!
this c55 rocks!!! when I see this awsome pictures I want to drive it !!!
another review here :
c55 AMG @ autocar Online
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Thanks for the article!
But no thanks AMG with ESP still not properly mated to the power :"..corner exit speed has been hampered by a new electronic control that AMG has added to the ESP system...".
I can't believe that AMG Engineers (or is it AMG lawyers that do the programming) still can't get this right.
Maybe I can help with where IMHO I think a Re-programmed ESP should be:
1) ESP on W mode = AS IS (works wonderfully under most circumstances)
2) ESP on S mode = Programmed Intervention somewhere between our ESP OFF mode and ESP ON mode, (closer to the ESP OFF, ie. less intrusion)
3) ESP off mode = No Intervention at all (as can be achieved on 2k2's through COMAND)
I think most of us understand we bought a 350+hp/car and we have to treat it with respect.
I find it interesting as the hp wars forge on the computer restrictions take over
I can't believe that AMG Engineers (or is it AMG lawyers that do the programming) still can't get this right.
Maybe I can help with where IMHO I think a Re-programmed ESP should be:
1) ESP on W mode = AS IS (works wonderfully under most circumstances)
2) ESP on S mode = Programmed Intervention somewhere between our ESP OFF mode and ESP ON mode, (closer to the ESP OFF, ie. less intrusion)
3) ESP off mode = No Intervention at all (as can be achieved on 2k2's through COMAND)
I think most of us understand we bought a 350+hp/car and we have to treat it with respect.
I find it interesting as the hp wars forge on the computer restrictions take over
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3) ESP off mode = No Intervention at all (as can be achieved on 2k2's through COMAND)
What C32 really needs is a limited slip differential.
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2001 C320 (Sold), 2006 CLS 55 AMG Capri blue/cashmere beige (April Delivery)
The LSD system can be fitted side by side with the ESP, because it is a system that works automatically balance the power between front and rear wheels, as well as tranferring torque to the stable wheels before the slip. So basically, LSD can be fitted on cars along with ESP, but I don't for what reasons Mercedes vehicles don't have them.
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AMG will offer LSD's for some cars like SL/E/CLK but only in Affalterbach.
AMG's testing engineers commented they experimented with a LSD but the lap times around hockenheim were the same. That is why, and because most of their customers are not "track junkies"
Same reasons of auto v manual.
Plus the LSD does improve traction which is a sin for all AMG cars. A CLK55 W209 with LSD pulled off 0-60 in 4.5/4.6 seconds when tested in Germany.
AMG's testing engineers commented they experimented with a LSD but the lap times around hockenheim were the same. That is why, and because most of their customers are not "track junkies"
Same reasons of auto v manual.Plus the LSD does improve traction which is a sin for all AMG cars. A CLK55 W209 with LSD pulled off 0-60 in 4.5/4.6 seconds when tested in Germany.
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just by reading they said the M3 out sold the C32 by 10 to 1 tells me that they need to learn more about the C32. Unlike the M3, the C32 don't go fly off the assembly line every hr. The first year production number for the C32 was what? 2500 units? only 1/3 of the M3's first year production.
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Originally posted by FrankW
just by reading they said the M3 out sold the C32 by 10 to 1 tells me that they need to learn more about the C32. Unlike the M3, the C32 don't go fly off the assembly line every hr. The first year production number for the C32 was what? 2500 units? only 1/3 of the M3's first year production.
just by reading they said the M3 out sold the C32 by 10 to 1 tells me that they need to learn more about the C32. Unlike the M3, the C32 don't go fly off the assembly line every hr. The first year production number for the C32 was what? 2500 units? only 1/3 of the M3's first year production.
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Originally posted by AMG FANATIC
Never mind that! When the time come to sell your car, the C32 will fetch much more because of the exclusivity.
Never mind that! When the time come to sell your car, the C32 will fetch much more because of the exclusivity.
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Originally posted by MadC32
Thanks a lot for the scan! Great Work!
Sometimes reviewers just forget that Mercedes- and BMW-buyers aren't the same type of people..
Thanks a lot for the scan! Great Work!
Sometimes reviewers just forget that Mercedes- and BMW-buyers aren't the same type of people..
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Originally posted by vadim@evosport
What C32 really needs is a limited slip differential.
What C32 really needs is a limited slip differential.
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Originally posted by MadC32
Thanks a lot for the scan! Great Work!
Sometimes reviewers just forget that Mercedes- and BMW-buyers aren't the same type of people..
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Yup me too. My daily driver is a MB, but for that 5% of the time when you want a 3.2L straight 6 with 300+hp on tap and a manual tranny with a LSD... You cant beat the grin factor you get on these cars. Out of the cars in my garage (w202 C230K, W208 CLK55, W209 CLK500, 90 928 and a 01 BMW S54 M roadster.) The bmw is by far the funnest car to drive and has the quickest 1/4 mile. Everytime I drive the BMW it makes me want to drive the thing like I stole it. Nothing has you feeling more connected to the car and road. When I drive the MB's I get a very different feeling. The V8's are fast but the two cars get their power very differently. My fastest autoX and drag times have been done with the BMW. I love most all german cars, they are just built so much better.
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Originally posted by MadC32
Thanks a lot for the scan! Great Work!
Sometimes reviewers just forget that Mercedes- and BMW-buyers aren't the same type of people..
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Originally posted by FrankW
wrong...they CAN be the same type of people like ME...
wrong...they CAN be the same type of people like ME...
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The bottom line here is that a semi-pro acquaintence of mine said it best when he commented, "Mercedes would be a much more sucessful company if they stopped trying to make sports cars."
Mercs are cars for rich people who need an emblem on the hood of their car that makes them feel like their ***** is no longer only 5 inches long. When Mercedes tries to compete with BMW in the high performance catagory it is just as dumb as **** on a boar.
AMG can take the C55 AMG and all the rest of their AMG cars and stick them right up their asses, because that is the only place where they might squeeze ahead of some kind of competition.
Mercs are cars for rich people who need an emblem on the hood of their car that makes them feel like their ***** is no longer only 5 inches long. When Mercedes tries to compete with BMW in the high performance catagory it is just as dumb as **** on a boar.
AMG can take the C55 AMG and all the rest of their AMG cars and stick them right up their asses, because that is the only place where they might squeeze ahead of some kind of competition.
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Originally posted by AMGsucks
The bottom line here is that a semi-pro acquaintence of mine said it best when he commented, "Mercedes would be a much more sucessful company if they stopped trying to make sports cars."
Mercs are cars for rich people who need an emblem on the hood of their car that makes them feel like their ***** is no longer only 5 inches long. When Mercedes tries to compete with BMW in the high performance catagory it is just as dumb as **** on a boar.
AMG can take the C55 AMG and all the rest of their AMG cars and stick them right up their asses, because that is the only place where they might squeeze ahead of some kind of competition.
The bottom line here is that a semi-pro acquaintence of mine said it best when he commented, "Mercedes would be a much more sucessful company if they stopped trying to make sports cars."
Mercs are cars for rich people who need an emblem on the hood of their car that makes them feel like their ***** is no longer only 5 inches long. When Mercedes tries to compete with BMW in the high performance catagory it is just as dumb as **** on a boar.
AMG can take the C55 AMG and all the rest of their AMG cars and stick them right up their asses, because that is the only place where they might squeeze ahead of some kind of competition.
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Originally posted by FInality
I doubt its a good idea. Most mags review the drivers aspect of a car ie max feedback, heavy set steering wheel etc so as a result MB usually gets slaughtered regardless if they handle well (like a CLK). When someone picks up a mag and they're on the fence between a Merc and XXX car with the Merc being slammed what do you think they will go for?
I doubt its a good idea. Most mags review the drivers aspect of a car ie max feedback, heavy set steering wheel etc so as a result MB usually gets slaughtered regardless if they handle well (like a CLK). When someone picks up a mag and they're on the fence between a Merc and XXX car with the Merc being slammed what do you think they will go for?
BMW is setting a new stardard of excellence that all auto manufacturers should aspire to attain, and mercedes is taking a a long ride down the toilet.
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Why don't you learn how to spell correctly first and secondly why come to a board just to start trouble? If you have something constructive to say, say it, but all your doing is trying to pick fights.
Why don't you learn how to spell correctly first and secondly why come to a board just to start trouble? If you have something constructive to say, say it, but all your doing is trying to pick fights.
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Originally posted by AMGsucks
Regardless of weather or not they handle well?? You show me a Mercedes that handles well and I will show you a pink elephant. There is a reason that EVERY magazine you read always pics BMW or Audi over Mercedes when it comes to performance... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
BMW is setting a new stardard of excellence that all auto manufacturers should aspire to attain, and mercedes is taking a a long ride down the toilet.
Regardless of weather or not they handle well?? You show me a Mercedes that handles well and I will show you a pink elephant. There is a reason that EVERY magazine you read always pics BMW or Audi over Mercedes when it comes to performance... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
BMW is setting a new stardard of excellence that all auto manufacturers should aspire to attain, and mercedes is taking a a long ride down the toilet.
Lol, lets see if i understand you correctly, you (obvious BMW owner/wannabe) wasted 15-20 minutes of your life to register on a website for the sole purpose of insulting peoples choices of cars & at the same time include a reference to their genetelia? You got serious insecurity issues.
cheers
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Originally posted by AMGsucks
Regardless of weather or not they handle well?? You show me a Mercedes that handles well and I will show you a pink elephant. There is a reason that EVERY magazine you read always pics BMW or Audi over Mercedes when it comes to performance... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
BMW is setting a new stardard of excellence that all auto manufacturers should aspire to attain, and mercedes is taking a a long ride down the toilet.
Regardless of weather or not they handle well?? You show me a Mercedes that handles well and I will show you a pink elephant. There is a reason that EVERY magazine you read always pics BMW or Audi over Mercedes when it comes to performance... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
BMW is setting a new stardard of excellence that all auto manufacturers should aspire to attain, and mercedes is taking a a long ride down the toilet.
I have an M3...and although it's performance is top-notch, the quality checks leave a lot to be desired when compared to Japanese brandnames (Lexus & Infiniti, especially Lexus). Recent JD Powers surveys show this. Caddy is actually ahead of BMW (and MB).
I agree with you that MB needs to get their act together in terms of quality. I am currently looking to get the G-wagon...and from what i hear, it's built like the older Mercedes.
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Originally posted by ChrisC32
Lol, lets see if i understand you correctly, you (obvious BMW owner/wannabe) wasted 15-20 minutes of your life to register on a website for the sole purpose of insulting peoples choices of cars & at the same time include a reference to their genetelia? You got serious insecurity issues.
cheers
Lol, lets see if i understand you correctly, you (obvious BMW owner/wannabe) wasted 15-20 minutes of your life to register on a website for the sole purpose of insulting peoples choices of cars & at the same time include a reference to their genetelia? You got serious insecurity issues.
cheers
Ask the average Mercedes driver some questions about their cars, they don't know ****... trust me, I deal with it every day as part of my occupation. Ask the average BMW driver about their car, they know more about their car and the Mercedes than the avereage Mercedes driver.
Sorry to burst your bubble and sour your pride of your status symbol, but I just laugh when I see people driving their Mercs.
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Originally posted by AMGsucks
... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
... the fact is that Mercedes got bought out by American's, and their quality is **** yet they still overcharge for their product.
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Originally posted by AMGsucks
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