C32 vs M3 in straight line
04-13-2004, 01:58 AM
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What's the point of continuing? You made your point and stated your personal opinion repeatedly. OK you win, the M3 motor is better. Is that what you want to hear? If so, you are asking the wrong demographic.
We all respect that fact that the M3 motor is a valued piece of engineering. In other respects so is the C32's. Driver ability and environmental conditions accounts for 99% of the kill stories on either side. I like the EVO VIII better than both cars for pure driving enjoyment. Does that make me wrong? Or does it just state my personal bias? If there was the perfect car out there, only one manufacturer would be left standing with only one car to offer.
For now, the only fair test between the two marques would be 330i Sport w/auto vs C32, as most bought the C32 because it has four doors and BMW will not dilute M3 sales by transplanting the M3 engine into the sedan offering. The M3 should only be compared in SMG form, and the Audi, if even in this debate, should only be cross compared in Auto form as well.
The arguments contained herein are pointless to further debate. A seperate thread for such ongoing dialogue would be more appropriate for all those interested in continuing the never ending saga of M3 vs C32.
We all respect that fact that the M3 motor is a valued piece of engineering. In other respects so is the C32's. Driver ability and environmental conditions accounts for 99% of the kill stories on either side. I like the EVO VIII better than both cars for pure driving enjoyment. Does that make me wrong? Or does it just state my personal bias? If there was the perfect car out there, only one manufacturer would be left standing with only one car to offer.
For now, the only fair test between the two marques would be 330i Sport w/auto vs C32, as most bought the C32 because it has four doors and BMW will not dilute M3 sales by transplanting the M3 engine into the sedan offering. The M3 should only be compared in SMG form, and the Audi, if even in this debate, should only be cross compared in Auto form as well.
The arguments contained herein are pointless to further debate. A seperate thread for such ongoing dialogue would be more appropriate for all those interested in continuing the never ending saga of M3 vs C32.
04-14-2004, 01:10 AM
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04-14-2004, 02:25 AM
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is it me or is that Simon racing up against a ferrari? or was that a porshe?
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04-14-2004, 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Thai
The M3's engine has won every award out there...including best in class for 3 years running, beating out Porsche excellent 3.6L Flat 6 (found in GT3). It won International Engine of the Year in '01 when it first came out.
The M3's engine has won every award out there...including best in class for 3 years running, beating out Porsche excellent 3.6L Flat 6 (found in GT3). It won International Engine of the Year in '01 when it first came out.
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04-14-2004, 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by M&M
Modd'd cars are a whole new can of worms. I bet a million bucks there will be a huge amount of non-believers on this board that this M3 is almost bone stock.
M3 run
Modd'd cars are a whole new can of worms. I bet a million bucks there will be a huge amount of non-believers on this board that this M3 is almost bone stock.
M3 run
04-14-2004, 06:35 PM
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Nope, i have not brought it to a track yet. I doubt that i can even come close to that time. I believe that his M3 was in some Mustang magazine...he used to race Mustangs or something...he's pretty famous.
anyway, BEFORE the pullies, he ran 12.8 in the 1/4 mile (forgot his mph).
anyway, BEFORE the pullies, he ran 12.8 in the 1/4 mile (forgot his mph).
04-14-2004, 06:54 PM
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First of all I just want to say something, I don't own neither cars, not even a BMW or Merc.
Some would be surprised I am a Volvo owner. But surely I am a car FREAK.
About the M3 Vs C32AMG issue, My friend has a M3 conv SMG, accourding to him he won over C32AMG. I don't remember what he said but I think he said it was from a rolling road. I didn't beleove him since I was under the impression that the C32 is faster in post 100km/h acceleration (62mph). I remember reading somewhere that the M3 can manage 0-100km/h in aruond 0-3s faster than the C32, but both cars grabs 200km/h at the same times, meaning C32 is faster between 100-200km/h (Again torque curve issue).
What I know is that the max torque of the C32AMG is 450Nm (guys please correct me if I am wrong, lately I've been working under the hood of my Volvo till I forgot everything about other cars) and 354bhp @ ~6000rpm. Meaning 420Nm @ 6000rpm.
If some one can provide an official torque curve of both cars I would be really thankful.
Any way, the advantage I see the M3 has, a big one, is the gearing. Its so acceleration oriented. I drove E46 M3 SMG and I must say that car is a beast.
So can't comment on this one. But what I can say that from stand still till 1/4mile I guess the M3 will have the better times.
Now about modified cars, being in the feild, racing a modified cars is not very predictable, even if they are showing lower output readings than you are.
There is a Volvo S40 5 speed manual thats producing ~320bhp ~390Nm. It runs 0-100km/h in not better than 5.7s, but 0-200km/h is ~16.5s. So things can be totally unpredictable with modified cars.
Some would be surprised I am a Volvo owner. But surely I am a car FREAK.
About the M3 Vs C32AMG issue, My friend has a M3 conv SMG, accourding to him he won over C32AMG. I don't remember what he said but I think he said it was from a rolling road. I didn't beleove him since I was under the impression that the C32 is faster in post 100km/h acceleration (62mph). I remember reading somewhere that the M3 can manage 0-100km/h in aruond 0-3s faster than the C32, but both cars grabs 200km/h at the same times, meaning C32 is faster between 100-200km/h (Again torque curve issue).
What I know is that the max torque of the C32AMG is 450Nm (guys please correct me if I am wrong, lately I've been working under the hood of my Volvo till I forgot everything about other cars) and 354bhp @ ~6000rpm. Meaning 420Nm @ 6000rpm.
If some one can provide an official torque curve of both cars I would be really thankful.
Any way, the advantage I see the M3 has, a big one, is the gearing. Its so acceleration oriented. I drove E46 M3 SMG and I must say that car is a beast.
So can't comment on this one. But what I can say that from stand still till 1/4mile I guess the M3 will have the better times.
Now about modified cars, being in the feild, racing a modified cars is not very predictable, even if they are showing lower output readings than you are.
There is a Volvo S40 5 speed manual thats producing ~320bhp ~390Nm. It runs 0-100km/h in not better than 5.7s, but 0-200km/h is ~16.5s. So things can be totally unpredictable with modified cars.
04-14-2004, 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by ZAF
First of all I just want to say something, I don't own neither cars, not even a BMW or Merc.
Some would be surprised I am a Volvo owner. But surely I am a car FREAK.
About the M3 Vs C32AMG issue, My friend has a M3 conv SMG, accourding to him he won over C32AMG. I don't remember what he said but I think he said it was from a rolling road. I didn't beleove him since I was under the impression that the C32 is faster in post 100km/h acceleration (62mph). I remember reading somewhere that the M3 can manage 0-100km/h in aruond 0-3s faster than the C32, but both cars grabs 200km/h at the same times, meaning C32 is faster between 100-200km/h (Again torque curve issue).
What I know is that the max torque of the C32AMG is 450Nm (guys please correct me if I am wrong, lately I've been working under the hood of my Volvo till I forgot everything about other cars) and 354bhp @ ~6000rpm. Meaning 420Nm @ 6000rpm.
If some one can provide an official torque curve of both cars I would be really thankful.
Any way, the advantage I see the M3 has, a big one, is the gearing. Its so acceleration oriented. I drove E46 M3 SMG and I must say that car is a beast.
So can't comment on this one. But what I can say that from stand still till 1/4mile I guess the M3 will have the better times.
Now about modified cars, being in the feild, racing a modified cars is not very predictable, even if they are showing lower output readings than you are.
There is a Volvo S40 5 speed manual thats producing ~320bhp ~390Nm. It runs 0-100km/h in not better than 5.7s, but 0-200km/h is ~16.5s. So things can be totally unpredictable with modified cars.
First of all I just want to say something, I don't own neither cars, not even a BMW or Merc.
Some would be surprised I am a Volvo owner. But surely I am a car FREAK.
About the M3 Vs C32AMG issue, My friend has a M3 conv SMG, accourding to him he won over C32AMG. I don't remember what he said but I think he said it was from a rolling road. I didn't beleove him since I was under the impression that the C32 is faster in post 100km/h acceleration (62mph). I remember reading somewhere that the M3 can manage 0-100km/h in aruond 0-3s faster than the C32, but both cars grabs 200km/h at the same times, meaning C32 is faster between 100-200km/h (Again torque curve issue).
What I know is that the max torque of the C32AMG is 450Nm (guys please correct me if I am wrong, lately I've been working under the hood of my Volvo till I forgot everything about other cars) and 354bhp @ ~6000rpm. Meaning 420Nm @ 6000rpm.
If some one can provide an official torque curve of both cars I would be really thankful.
Any way, the advantage I see the M3 has, a big one, is the gearing. Its so acceleration oriented. I drove E46 M3 SMG and I must say that car is a beast.
So can't comment on this one. But what I can say that from stand still till 1/4mile I guess the M3 will have the better times.
Now about modified cars, being in the feild, racing a modified cars is not very predictable, even if they are showing lower output readings than you are.
There is a Volvo S40 5 speed manual thats producing ~320bhp ~390Nm. It runs 0-100km/h in not better than 5.7s, but 0-200km/h is ~16.5s. So things can be totally unpredictable with modified cars.
04-15-2004, 02:18 AM
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I think it depends on the driver, tyres, road condition and a whole lot of other variables as well.
A mate of mine with the SMG coupe M3 beats another mate of mine with the MY01 STi with just exhaust and boost, but another mate of mine with a MY03 STi beats the M3 when it is stock.
A mate of mine with the SMG coupe M3 beats another mate of mine with the MY01 STi with just exhaust and boost, but another mate of mine with a MY03 STi beats the M3 when it is stock.
04-15-2004, 04:10 AM
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Got to agree with SMGC32 here
This is pointless. This topics has been beaten to death so many times I am shocked people still read this dribble.
As for a SMG M3 Cab? My old (now sold) S55 (non-Kompressor) only lost by 1 car length against a 2003 M3 SMG Cab in 3 runs in a row from 0-90 (or so). That car is not very quick.
My C32 walked away from a friends M3 during 3 consecutive freeway pulls from say 55-130. By 130 there were 3-4 car lengths between us. As for his shifting? He is a 15 year vet of Drag and Road Racing so not a miss shift in sight.
If he comes up behind any MB on a canyon road or at Willow I say it is best to just pull over...there is no hope in sight.. each car has its strong points!
The M3 is a better drivers car but as far as dragging goes the C32 has an edge!
But there are weak C32's and Strong M3's so dont forget that variable.
As for a SMG M3 Cab? My old (now sold) S55 (non-Kompressor) only lost by 1 car length against a 2003 M3 SMG Cab in 3 runs in a row from 0-90 (or so). That car is not very quick.
My C32 walked away from a friends M3 during 3 consecutive freeway pulls from say 55-130. By 130 there were 3-4 car lengths between us. As for his shifting? He is a 15 year vet of Drag and Road Racing so not a miss shift in sight.
If he comes up behind any MB on a canyon road or at Willow I say it is best to just pull over...there is no hope in sight.. each car has its strong points!
The M3 is a better drivers car but as far as dragging goes the C32 has an edge!
But there are weak C32's and Strong M3's so dont forget that variable.
04-15-2004, 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by FrankW
no offense, but E46 M3 SMG convertible from a roll = BURNED. The guy had a jump on me too.
no offense, but E46 M3 SMG convertible from a roll = BURNED. The guy had a jump on me too.
My friends keeps whining that the SMG is faster than 6 speed MT, is that correct? I told him impossible, but then again I only tried the SMG didn't try the MT?
If so please provide numbers, or a site where I can find numbers from.. Because this guy has really caused us a headache lool everytime we gather he just speaks about how cool is his M3 and stuff. Ok its a very nice car, but get along.... We all like our cars, because thats why we bought them...
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Bottom line from an M3 owner:
1. C32 should be able to edge out an M3 CONVERTIBLE. 0-60 in the convertible is about 5.2-5.4 seconds. You should beat him.
2. SMG is a bit slower from 0-60 mph than 6MT because 6MT can launch at a higher rpms. However, the faster you go (and thus, the more shifting that you do), SMG will catch up slowly. The 1/4 mile mph is about the same with a SLIGHT edge to SMG. Basically, 6MT is faster thru the first gear. The only way that you can shift faster than SMG is by powershifting (aka never lifting your foot from gas pedal, even when shifting) by a drag racing professional. And SMG shifts faster than Speedshift on AMG cars.
3. From a roll (5-xx mph), SMG should edge out 6MT because you take away 6MT launch advantage.
Conclusion: The fact that your friend has a CONVERTIBLE and SMG means that you should be able to take him easily from 0-60 mph. From a roll, it is a bit harder, but you should edge him out.
Remember, SMG makes perfect launches everytime...so you better know how to launch your AMG!!
Good luck...and kick that ****y SOB...he's making a bad name for M3 owners!
1. C32 should be able to edge out an M3 CONVERTIBLE. 0-60 in the convertible is about 5.2-5.4 seconds. You should beat him.
2. SMG is a bit slower from 0-60 mph than 6MT because 6MT can launch at a higher rpms. However, the faster you go (and thus, the more shifting that you do), SMG will catch up slowly. The 1/4 mile mph is about the same with a SLIGHT edge to SMG. Basically, 6MT is faster thru the first gear. The only way that you can shift faster than SMG is by powershifting (aka never lifting your foot from gas pedal, even when shifting) by a drag racing professional. And SMG shifts faster than Speedshift on AMG cars.
3. From a roll (5-xx mph), SMG should edge out 6MT because you take away 6MT launch advantage.
Conclusion: The fact that your friend has a CONVERTIBLE and SMG means that you should be able to take him easily from 0-60 mph. From a roll, it is a bit harder, but you should edge him out.
Remember, SMG makes perfect launches everytime...so you better know how to launch your AMG!!
Good luck...and kick that ****y SOB...he's making a bad name for M3 owners!
