C32 vs M3 in straight line
04-18-2004, 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Thai
Oh yeah, is that why the C55 is coming out now??
Oh yeah, is that why the C55 is coming out now??
i'm okay to debate coz i can exercise my brain hehe
btw dude, don't buy land rovers...
they are even worse than BMW...
i had a range rover and discovery se7, it sure did the best job to offroading, but its reliaibiltiy i can tell you is the worse manufactuer! but the range rover still is one of my top 3 favourite car tho. nothing can replaced the off road king.
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04-18-2004, 04:50 PM
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Why not?? How about comparing a Lexus IS300's reliability with that of C230/320?? Same class. Sure, a bit different purpose, but same class and price range.
That's a hard one, the IS300 was supposed to be a C32 contender, sadly, it sucks too much. What's worse is that it won't die so you can get a new car that's justifiable to your parents.
Why not compare G500 vs. X54.8 vs. Lexus LX470?? Sure, different purposes but same price range. Let me tell you, there are plenty of people comparing these vehicles...i would even say that MOST buyers in this price range do look at these vehicles at one time during their buying process.
No. Just because the price range is similair doesn't mean jack. Buyers who think of Lexus don't think of the MPowers or AMG's. My dad just got a 4.4i, the G500 was no where on his maybe list, and the contender was the GX470, LX470 is another beast. The W163 is more of a contender rather than Big Boss.
For example, i am currently comparing G500 vs. LX470 vs. Range Rover...and i do off-road (as you can see at my 4runner forum). Because of horrific stories of G500's electrical problems (see Benzworld.org forum), i am down to LX vs. RR. These problems matter...because i certainly don't want to be stuck in "limp-home mode" in the middle of a mud ditch!! For the very same reason, i am leaning toward LX470 over RR.
Yeah I'd go LX too, but for all that money I'd rather have a Landcruiser and get some aftermarket stuff. Some Lexus' are just overrated.
It does matter.
Why not?? How about comparing a Lexus IS300's reliability with that of C230/320?? Same class. Sure, a bit different purpose, but same class and price range.
That's a hard one, the IS300 was supposed to be a C32 contender, sadly, it sucks too much. What's worse is that it won't die so you can get a new car that's justifiable to your parents.
Why not compare G500 vs. X54.8 vs. Lexus LX470?? Sure, different purposes but same price range. Let me tell you, there are plenty of people comparing these vehicles...i would even say that MOST buyers in this price range do look at these vehicles at one time during their buying process.
No. Just because the price range is similair doesn't mean jack. Buyers who think of Lexus don't think of the MPowers or AMG's. My dad just got a 4.4i, the G500 was no where on his maybe list, and the contender was the GX470, LX470 is another beast. The W163 is more of a contender rather than Big Boss.
For example, i am currently comparing G500 vs. LX470 vs. Range Rover...and i do off-road (as you can see at my 4runner forum). Because of horrific stories of G500's electrical problems (see Benzworld.org forum), i am down to LX vs. RR. These problems matter...because i certainly don't want to be stuck in "limp-home mode" in the middle of a mud ditch!! For the very same reason, i am leaning toward LX470 over RR.
Yeah I'd go LX too, but for all that money I'd rather have a Landcruiser and get some aftermarket stuff. Some Lexus' are just overrated.
It does matter.
04-18-2004, 04:55 PM
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Carl, you keep on shooting yourself in the foot!
Reliability is an effect of quality. What's that French guy in Matrix..."cause and effect." Last time i heard, if you use QUALITY components, then your car will last...thus good reliability.
BTW, M3 uses Nappa leather just like the AMG models. Ouch!
BTW, the ONLY Land Rover model that had direct influence by BMW is the new Range Rover...quite a remarkable SUV if you ask me.
"...amount of cars we had"...is that arrogant or what?! Pathetic. No, according to marko, MB owners are mature and respectable! Load of crap if i ever heard one. Carl...HINT: don't bring money into an argument...you may eat your words!
From JD Powers, MB quality down the road is also below average! So, NO, MB don't last longer than a BMW...or even a Hyundai for that matter!
Quality & Reliability are NOT MB's strongpoint...STOP USING IT IN AN ARGUMENT! I hope that none of you are lawyers!
Thanks for the laugh.
Reliability is an effect of quality. What's that French guy in Matrix..."cause and effect."
Last time i heard, if you use QUALITY components, then your car will last...thus good reliability.BTW, M3 uses Nappa leather just like the AMG models. Ouch!
BTW, the ONLY Land Rover model that had direct influence by BMW is the new Range Rover...quite a remarkable SUV if you ask me.
"...amount of cars we had"...is that arrogant or what?! Pathetic. No, according to marko, MB owners are mature and respectable! Load of crap if i ever heard one. Carl...HINT: don't bring money into an argument...you may eat your words!
From JD Powers, MB quality down the road is also below average! So, NO, MB don't last longer than a BMW...or even a Hyundai for that matter!
Quality & Reliability are NOT MB's strongpoint...STOP USING IT IN AN ARGUMENT! I hope that none of you are lawyers!
Thanks for the laugh.
Originally posted by carl
haha yeah Aberill, but BMW has no heritage Benz do because their cars are no good.
i will never buy a bmw again... they are crap... they do not last...
i had a few land rovers too... they are piece of **** because they are built by BMW too. Every oil changes have major problems. They won't know what we experienced, and the amount the cars we had.
BTW THAI, QUALITY is differ than RELIABILITY. The reliability might not be too good recent years for MB. But i can tell ya QUALITY of MB is way better than BMW. All the design, material used and craftmanship are better than bmw. fOR EXAMPLE, bmw only have 7-11 spray of paint on their car, but our car have miniumn of 15 sprays. Belive or not, VW has more layers of paint than BMW.
other examples, go to the junk yard to see the differences your self. check the interior and all the design. bmw are craps.
another exampl, bmw's leather worn out very quick, mb leather seats easily last 30 years with no cracks and worn spots.
i was a bmw owner too dude, and i had more bmws than you do. and mercedes? i had 20 before C to CL class. and i'm sure my 1955 220 and 1958 190sl has better reliaibililty than any bmw made lol
haha yeah Aberill, but BMW has no heritage Benz do
because their cars are no good.i will never buy a bmw again... they are crap... they do not last...
i had a few land rovers too... they are piece of **** because they are built by BMW too. Every oil changes have major problems. They won't know what we experienced, and the amount the cars we had.
BTW THAI, QUALITY is differ than RELIABILITY. The reliability might not be too good recent years for MB. But i can tell ya QUALITY of MB is way better than BMW. All the design, material used and craftmanship are better than bmw. fOR EXAMPLE, bmw only have 7-11 spray of paint on their car, but our car have miniumn of 15 sprays. Belive or not, VW has more layers of paint than BMW.
other examples, go to the junk yard to see the differences your self. check the interior and all the design. bmw are craps.
another exampl, bmw's leather worn out very quick, mb leather seats easily last 30 years with no cracks and worn spots.
i was a bmw owner too dude, and i had more bmws than you do. and mercedes? i had 20 before C to CL class. and i'm sure my 1955 220 and 1958 190sl has better reliaibililty than any bmw made lol
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04-18-2004, 05:02 PM
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Vraa,
What?! IS300 was supposed to battle C32?? Where did you get this from?? One car costs half the price of the other!! One makes over 340 hp, the other barely over 200. No...IS300 is designed to battle with the regular BMW 3-series and C-class. I have no words to say to you if you thought that!
What?! IS300 was supposed to battle C32?? Where did you get this from?? One car costs half the price of the other!! One makes over 340 hp, the other barely over 200. No...IS300 is designed to battle with the regular BMW 3-series and C-class. I have no words to say to you if you thought that!
04-18-2004, 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Thai
Vraa,
What?! IS300 was supposed to battle C32?? Where did you get this from?? One car costs half the price of the other!! One makes over 340 hp, the other barely over 200. No...IS300 is designed to battle with the regular BMW 3-series and C-class. I have no words to say to you if you thought that!
Vraa,
What?! IS300 was supposed to battle C32?? Where did you get this from?? One car costs half the price of the other!! One makes over 340 hp, the other barely over 200. No...IS300 is designed to battle with the regular BMW 3-series and C-class. I have no words to say to you if you thought that!
Compare flagship class to flagship class when in favor man! That' I learned after arguing LS vs S!
04-18-2004, 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by vraa
Simple, why else would there only be one IS offered here Compare flagship class to flagship class when in favor man! That' I learned after arguing LS vs S!
Simple, why else would there only be one IS offered here
Compare flagship class to flagship class when in favor man! That' I learned after arguing LS vs S!
04-18-2004, 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by SJT03CLK
I think my sister might like your car...
Your welcome!
I think my sister might like your car...
Your welcome!
Man, i would not be criticizing M3's shape if i were you....
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04-18-2004, 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Thai
Quality & Reliability are NOT MB's strongpoint...STOP USING IT IN AN ARGUMENT!
Quality & Reliability are NOT MB's strongpoint...STOP USING IT IN AN ARGUMENT!
04-18-2004, 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by blando
You can't compare DCX to BMW. DCX includes the Chrysler line. While there are always exceptions, overall and over time, MB clearly leads BMW in quality, reliability, safety and customer service.
You can't compare DCX to BMW. DCX includes the Chrysler line. While there are always exceptions, overall and over time, MB clearly leads BMW in quality, reliability, safety and customer service.
I will agree that MB cars are the safest on the planet.
04-18-2004, 05:18 PM
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Are you sure?? Most girls like the look of the C230, especially one with the Sport package. :p
Are you sure?? Most girls like the look of the C230, especially one with the Sport package. :p
They love how pretty they are...
04-18-2004, 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Thai
I am not...i am directly comparing the new MERCEDES with BMW.
I am not...i am directly comparing the new MERCEDES with BMW.
04-18-2004, 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by SJT03CLK
Yeah, I'm sure. I can't say that I know much about the C230, as I don't own one. But I know pleanty of women who have M3's.
They love how pretty they are...
Yeah, I'm sure. I can't say that I know much about the C230, as I don't own one. But I know pleanty of women who have M3's.
They love how pretty they are...
04-18-2004, 05:20 PM
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I'm having fun...Thai just PMed me and said he's gotta head out to the Victoria's Secret sale at the mall. He's meeting up with the M3 club to check out the new summer line -- post some pics of your car in the next Cosmo...
04-18-2004, 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by blando
Read your own chart above. The one that you submitted to "prove" your point.
Read your own chart above. The one that you submitted to "prove" your point.
Who do you think runs DC?? MERCEDES.
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haha i know
i have no idea what he is trying to do and prove on this board.
no one ever say your M3 is no good i suppose?
so you are saying bmw last longer than MB? hahaha if u really think that, i can't do anything about that too. the fact is that lots of old mb still exist these days, but where are all the old bmws?
good quality/heavy duty parts are needed to last long... that proves the bmw suck okay. and you never talk about the **** cause and effect of bmw, u just keep talking the bad part of mb all the way.
BMW now are using Nappa too because they know they can't build good seats lol, you are shooting your feet this time.
i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states. here, you are assumiing again. i never intended to bring money into the argument. you kept misunderstood peoples thought and asume something else. and you kept using all kind of reports on paper to argue instead of using your own experience.
just like someome tells you apple is sweet, but you won't know until you tried some are not.
i have no idea what he is trying to do and prove on this board.
no one ever say your M3 is no good i suppose?
so you are saying bmw last longer than MB? hahaha if u really think that, i can't do anything about that too. the fact is that lots of old mb still exist these days, but where are all the old bmws?
good quality/heavy duty parts are needed to last long... that proves the bmw suck okay. and you never talk about the **** cause and effect of bmw, u just keep talking the bad part of mb all the way.
BMW now are using Nappa too because they know they can't build good seats lol, you are shooting your feet this time.
i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states. here, you are assumiing again. i never intended to bring money into the argument. you kept misunderstood peoples thought and asume something else. and you kept using all kind of reports on paper to argue instead of using your own experience.
just like someome tells you apple is sweet, but you won't know until you tried some are not.
04-18-2004, 05:22 PM
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i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states.
i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states.
04-18-2004, 05:25 PM
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What?! Can you read?? The OLDER MB's are excellent cars! I love them!
My point and argument are with the CURRENT AND NEW MB's. Are we clear??!!
I have NEVER said that BMW lasts long...IN FACT, i have stated MANY TIMES that BMW and Mercedes are NOT made to last. Again, i do NOT plan on keeping my M3 past 100K miles because of this.
However, in arguing, it is not a wise idea to bring up MB's quality over BMW when recent data CLEARLY does NOT support this!
Nappa is a type of leather! It is NOT the seat manufacturer!
Geez.
My point and argument are with the CURRENT AND NEW MB's. Are we clear??!!
I have NEVER said that BMW lasts long...IN FACT, i have stated MANY TIMES that BMW and Mercedes are NOT made to last. Again, i do NOT plan on keeping my M3 past 100K miles because of this.
However, in arguing, it is not a wise idea to bring up MB's quality over BMW when recent data CLEARLY does NOT support this!
Nappa is a type of leather! It is NOT the seat manufacturer!
Geez.
Originally posted by carl
haha i know
i have no idea what he is trying to do and prove on this board.
no one ever say your M3 is no good i suppose?
so you are saying bmw last longer than MB? hahaha if u really think that, i can't do anything about that too. the fact is that lots of old mb still exist these days, but where are all the old bmws?
good quality/heavy duty parts are needed to last long... that proves the bmw suck okay. and you never talk about the **** cause and effect of bmw, u just keep talking the bad part of mb all the way.
BMW now are using Nappa too because they know they can't build good seats lol, you are shooting your feet this time.
i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states. here, you are assumiing again. i never intended to bring money into the argument. you kept misunderstood peoples thought and asume something else. and you kept using all kind of reports on paper to argue instead of using your own experience.
just like someome tells you apple is sweet, but you won't know until you tried some are not.
haha i know
i have no idea what he is trying to do and prove on this board.
no one ever say your M3 is no good i suppose?
so you are saying bmw last longer than MB? hahaha if u really think that, i can't do anything about that too. the fact is that lots of old mb still exist these days, but where are all the old bmws?
good quality/heavy duty parts are needed to last long... that proves the bmw suck okay. and you never talk about the **** cause and effect of bmw, u just keep talking the bad part of mb all the way.
BMW now are using Nappa too because they know they can't build good seats lol, you are shooting your feet this time.
i'm not american, so sorry, i'm no arrogant hahaha, i think people in tx are more arrogant than anywhere in the states. here, you are assumiing again. i never intended to bring money into the argument. you kept misunderstood peoples thought and asume something else. and you kept using all kind of reports on paper to argue instead of using your own experience.
just like someome tells you apple is sweet, but you won't know until you tried some are not.
