500 HP evosport C32..... (EuroTuner GP Day 1)
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Originally posted by ro0zy
lol yeah how much money to get that power??? ~$10,000??
lol yeah how much money to get that power??? ~$10,000??
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The BBS RA's are ET30 front and ET32 rear just like the LM's with greater caliper clearance due to the one piece design and spokes set to the outer portion of the wheel. Weights are about 26lbs front and 28lbs rear. Street pricing should be somewhere around $325 - $375 each.
There must be something different with the tolerances of early production C32 vs 2003's, or mine is quite off. It would be impossible for me to run 245's up front on my 8.5" ET32 wheels without rubbing on the strut tube and having additional fender clearance issues, although the fender rolling eliminated the problem for 235's.
Running a coilover strut reduces the inside clearance by about 2mm depending on manufacturer. The typical Sachs strut is a 55mm diameter with a 5mm reduction indent at the intersection of the wheel rim/tire bead contact point. If the H&R coilover is an inverted monotube design, then it should be similar to the Bilstein coilover strut and have a continuous 52/53mm strut housing diameter. This additional reduction of 2/3mm at the point of contact is the difference between rubbing or not rubbing the inside of the strut tube depending on tire manufacturer in the same section widths. The RA's 30mm offset will offer an additional 2mm of inside clearance while reducing outside/fender clearance by the same 2mm. If running stock ride height, the 30mm is fine, but lowered below 13.5" lip to hub center, the clearance becomes important.
So comparing my car, the RA's will offer an additional 2mm of inside clearance, but the section width difference between 235's and 245's is 10mm, or 5mm per side. I come up short 3mm, unless I run a tire who's 245 tread width is the same as another tires 235 tread width. Rosso's would fit this category. It is cutting it very tight with the coilovers providing an additional hurdle to jump over. The rear problem for me would be having an additional 5mm of tire towards the outside. I only had the rubbing problem on one side of the car. And have never experienced rear rubbing problems with 9.5" ET36 wheels with 265's in back at a ride height of as low as 12.5", which many others have experienced.
On the track, the extra outside increase in width would not cause much problems since most tracks are very smooth and the suspension travel is usually lower at these venues than on the street. In addition, steering angles are less.
I can see why a spacer is not needed for the caliper, but 245's seem almost impossible, which is a shame because the car really needs extra rubber up front. Congratulations on fitting the 245's on the front without any issues. You are very lucky. I may just have to buy a wheel and see for myself!
What track are you running in the competition? Good luck.
There must be something different with the tolerances of early production C32 vs 2003's, or mine is quite off. It would be impossible for me to run 245's up front on my 8.5" ET32 wheels without rubbing on the strut tube and having additional fender clearance issues, although the fender rolling eliminated the problem for 235's.
Running a coilover strut reduces the inside clearance by about 2mm depending on manufacturer. The typical Sachs strut is a 55mm diameter with a 5mm reduction indent at the intersection of the wheel rim/tire bead contact point. If the H&R coilover is an inverted monotube design, then it should be similar to the Bilstein coilover strut and have a continuous 52/53mm strut housing diameter. This additional reduction of 2/3mm at the point of contact is the difference between rubbing or not rubbing the inside of the strut tube depending on tire manufacturer in the same section widths. The RA's 30mm offset will offer an additional 2mm of inside clearance while reducing outside/fender clearance by the same 2mm. If running stock ride height, the 30mm is fine, but lowered below 13.5" lip to hub center, the clearance becomes important.
So comparing my car, the RA's will offer an additional 2mm of inside clearance, but the section width difference between 235's and 245's is 10mm, or 5mm per side. I come up short 3mm, unless I run a tire who's 245 tread width is the same as another tires 235 tread width. Rosso's would fit this category. It is cutting it very tight with the coilovers providing an additional hurdle to jump over. The rear problem for me would be having an additional 5mm of tire towards the outside. I only had the rubbing problem on one side of the car. And have never experienced rear rubbing problems with 9.5" ET36 wheels with 265's in back at a ride height of as low as 12.5", which many others have experienced.
On the track, the extra outside increase in width would not cause much problems since most tracks are very smooth and the suspension travel is usually lower at these venues than on the street. In addition, steering angles are less.
I can see why a spacer is not needed for the caliper, but 245's seem almost impossible, which is a shame because the car really needs extra rubber up front. Congratulations on fitting the 245's on the front without any issues. You are very lucky. I may just have to buy a wheel and see for myself!
What track are you running in the competition? Good luck.
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ones too fast according to CHP!
So more results posted later, but here are the prelim. resuls (only posting for top 3 cars, the other 8 I don't know off hand)
DYNO:
1. evosport C32
2. Avalon S4 (w/ RS4 turbo's)
3. Actuning RS4 (German market car)
DRAGS: (also see: Drag Thread)
1. Avalon S4 (12.1/115)
2. Actuning RS4 (12.3/115)
3. evosport C32 (12.5/113)
RACE TRACK:
1. SPEED World Challenge Audi A4 (1:28.9)
2. Actuning RS4 (1:29.5)
3. Avalon S4 (1:30.2)
4. ABD RS4 (1:34.5)
5. evosport C32 (1:35.2)
OVERALL:
1. Avalon S4 (30 points)
2. Actuning RS4 (28 points)
3. evosport C32 (26 points)
4. don't remember (but they only had 18 points I think)
We were seriously out-matched on the track. The cars ahead of us were all very set-up. The avalon car spent all day on Monday doing practive and track set-up and had full Ohlins Race Dampers. The RS4 was supported by Eibach had they were doing spring changes to improve the car during the day. Not to make excuses, just to reaffirm that we are very proud of the C32 to be so close. This is a VERY tight track, and if we had a diff and camber, we would have been sub 1:30.
Overall we are VERY happy. We were top three against some impressive cars and the top three stole the show!
We also did skid-pad and expect to see some awesome pics from that in the article!
Thanks!
Brad
DYNO:
1. evosport C32
2. Avalon S4 (w/ RS4 turbo's)
3. Actuning RS4 (German market car)
DRAGS: (also see: Drag Thread)
1. Avalon S4 (12.1/115)
2. Actuning RS4 (12.3/115)
3. evosport C32 (12.5/113)
RACE TRACK:
1. SPEED World Challenge Audi A4 (1:28.9)
2. Actuning RS4 (1:29.5)
3. Avalon S4 (1:30.2)
4. ABD RS4 (1:34.5)
5. evosport C32 (1:35.2)
OVERALL:
1. Avalon S4 (30 points)
2. Actuning RS4 (28 points)
3. evosport C32 (26 points)
4. don't remember (but they only had 18 points I think)
We were seriously out-matched on the track. The cars ahead of us were all very set-up. The avalon car spent all day on Monday doing practive and track set-up and had full Ohlins Race Dampers. The RS4 was supported by Eibach had they were doing spring changes to improve the car during the day. Not to make excuses, just to reaffirm that we are very proud of the C32 to be so close. This is a VERY tight track, and if we had a diff and camber, we would have been sub 1:30.
Overall we are VERY happy. We were top three against some impressive cars and the top three stole the show!
We also did skid-pad and expect to see some awesome pics from that in the article!
Thanks!
Brad
#35
Will EvoSport be offering 400+ rwhp setup for us mortals anytime soon?!?
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Patience my friends, patience. The parts that compose Stage III are prototypes. Once testing is complete they have to be put in production. Once we start getting production quotes, than we will able to get pricing on Stage III.
Thank you for waiting.
Thank you for waiting.
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quarter times
I hate to be negative with such outstanding power results, but aren't stock W211 E55's running low 12's in the 1/4? How is a car with essentially the same power but 500-600 lbs lighter running slower times?
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ones too fast according to CHP!
They aren't on this track. They are running 12.9's fastest from what I understand at CA Speedway. It has been stated a few times in this thread, but realize that this track is known to be about .4-.6 slower then the "good" tracks.
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but aren't stock W211 E55's running low 12's in the 1/4?
Not give excuses, but here are several factors that affected our times:
1. Bad track - bumpy at the end, hot 100F day with 125F track temperatures. Head-on wind that came in afternoon slowed everyone down by 0.2 - 0.3 secs.
2. Stock heat exchanger could not handle boost and hot ambient temperatures. At the end of the run DME would pull out 5-6 degrees of timing as Air Charge Temperatures would get over 170F. This is why Stage III is in development - bigger exchanger will be part of the it. This is also why we had 113MPH ET speed vs. 117MPH it should of been for 400HP at the wheels.
3. Tires - we had to use Dunlop Road racing tire for both drags and road events. It had to be the same tire, as in - if you destoy it at drags you can not do road event. So we were conservative and tried not to destroy the tires with burnouts. Besides this is not tire to use for drags, the side walls are way too stiff.
4. RS4 that won the event runs mid11s at 118-119 on East Coast tracks, the best it could do was 12.1 at 115.
Shortly we will retest on a better track and will post the times.
#48
No, there were no M3s. Active Autowerks SC M3 was rumored to come, but it was no show.
Last year, at Euro Tuner GP, we ran E46 M3 on the big track at Willow. 2.2 miles vs. 1.2 miles (?). We won with 1.31. Next car was 1.37. But there were no drags last year.
My guess E46 M3 would of been around 1.30s.
Here is the link to first GP
Last year, at Euro Tuner GP, we ran E46 M3 on the big track at Willow. 2.2 miles vs. 1.2 miles (?). We won with 1.31. Next car was 1.37. But there were no drags last year.
My guess E46 M3 would of been around 1.30s.
Here is the link to first GP
#49
It would have been interesting to see how the M3 would do at the Streets. At the big track, what are good times in stock form for the E46 M3 and the 330i? Anyone have times for these two cars in stock form at the Streets? Any times for a new S4 V8 in stock form at both tracks? I think that in modified form, the C32 proves to be competition.