C43 to 55 to 6.1 Brabus to Kleeman!
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Hey guys, you people are harsh man, you sound like some of the ****y MB Service Managers & Salesmen, you come up with all these ideas about why I haven't responded, pretty quick to judge aren't you?, Fact is I work graveyard & sleep all day when not being interupted by gardeners & such so I've had a little time to review your posts but I have reviewed them & find them to be considerably helpfull, I like to gather all my information & review it before I make a half-assed reply. I looked up the reccomended threads on Sleepstack was it? & kinda got some good informatin there, after reading a bit more about the Kleeman being specifically designed for the 5.5L, I think that might be my best route, you all seem to have a wealth of knowledge here & I appreciate all your replys & research on behalf of my post, I am always amazed at the quickness & thuroughness of your replys. This project is planned for the near future, my budget on this project I project will be $30-35K, I've been seeing some higher milleage C43's going for around $13-15k & since I was going to replace the motor anyway I figured it would be best to get the cheapest starter car. I don't mind spending all that cash on the car anyway because it's what I want that counts, I'm not planning on a re-sale, my other car besides the 05' C230 is a tricked out 89' Peugeot 405 Mi16 so you can see I don't mind spending on what makes me happy, I don't need to explain my reasoning to anybody, once again I appreciate all your replys & I'm sorry if I came off as being unpleasent in the begining.
Thanx - Randy
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Thanx - Randy
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Originally Posted by RedW203
has anyone here realized that the original inquiree has not responded to any of the responses. he probably realized the headaches he'll go through.
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This project is planned for the near future, my budget on this project I project will be $30-35K, I've been seeing some higher milleage C43's going for around $13-15k & since I was going to replace the motor anyway I figured it would be best to get the cheapest starter car.
If you do this you will have the former world record car. See Kleemann website for more details.
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It's funny, I'm actually at odds over which one I like better, the sleek executive land rocket E55 or the more sporty (in my tastes) C43 with Carbon Fiber Racing seats & a back seat roll cage, but that will be determined in the future, regaurdless after more research I am becoming more & more convinced that the 5.5L Kleeman S/C is the way to go, you can't really top a 200 m.p.h. + top speed package (E55 or C43), especially when it was all designed to work together, I appreciate all your help on this, it's truly been informative & given me more of a solid base of ideas I can build on, I especially liked Ted's post on people & their modified cars, I couldn't have said it better.
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ok, 1sikbenz was for real .... I'm back... 
sorry for our jump to assumptions ; we're all about speed here... 
[RedW203, yes I did a few posts before you]
1sikbenz, depends on if you want your car to 'turn' or not? You can see I did the swap ... but I also did the unmatched speedybenz custom suspension too, plus did that after the swap. Wow, can my car turn now. With the budget you're citing, I can't recommended it more highly.
Going Kleemann + 5.4L adds not only a lot more weight up front, but a good deal more weight up high in the engine bay. I was told by RMP Racing something like 70lbs more at the top of the engine. (SC is over 100lbs, but you're taking out your old manifold so you subtract that weight.) If going C43 + 5.4L swap + Kleemann, the moment arm of inertia of that weight will really amplify the lean of the car on turns more then just a 5.4L swap with a N/A build.
...just something to consider in what you're trying to get out of the car.
* If you want to crush people off the line and on the hiway, C43 is lighter and has shorter 1:3.07gearing. Couple that with the 5.4L motor and Kleemann supercharger and you'll be hitting the 155mph govener sooner then if you started with a E55, with its extra 300lbs of heft and 1:2.82 gearing.
* If you want to (and have the access to) dominate road course track-days, 5.4L NA build (possibly 6.1L Renntech upgrade) + speedybenz suspension is the way to go. (technically, speedybenz would say building the lighter 4.3L engine is actually the way to go for that... however he just bought a converted W202 C55 himself after the mishap he had in the rain. A kick *** suspension can't counter tire grip and wet weather!)
sorry for our jump to assumptions ; we're all about speed here... [RedW203, yes I did a few posts before you]1sikbenz, depends on if you want your car to 'turn' or not? You can see I did the swap ... but I also did the unmatched speedybenz custom suspension too, plus did that after the swap. Wow, can my car turn now. With the budget you're citing, I can't recommended it more highly.
Going Kleemann + 5.4L adds not only a lot more weight up front, but a good deal more weight up high in the engine bay. I was told by RMP Racing something like 70lbs more at the top of the engine. (SC is over 100lbs, but you're taking out your old manifold so you subtract that weight.) If going C43 + 5.4L swap + Kleemann, the moment arm of inertia of that weight will really amplify the lean of the car on turns more then just a 5.4L swap with a N/A build.
...just something to consider in what you're trying to get out of the car.
* If you want to crush people off the line and on the hiway, C43 is lighter and has shorter 1:3.07gearing. Couple that with the 5.4L motor and Kleemann supercharger and you'll be hitting the 155mph govener sooner then if you started with a E55, with its extra 300lbs of heft and 1:2.82 gearing.
* If you want to (and have the access to) dominate road course track-days, 5.4L NA build (possibly 6.1L Renntech upgrade) + speedybenz suspension is the way to go. (technically, speedybenz would say building the lighter 4.3L engine is actually the way to go for that... however he just bought a converted W202 C55 himself after the mishap he had in the rain. A kick *** suspension can't counter tire grip and wet weather!)
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Originally Posted by c55m8o
* If you want to crush people off the line and on the hiway, C43 is lighter and has shorter 1:3.07gearing. Couple that with the 5.4L motor and Kleemann supercharger and you'll be hitting the 155mph govener sooner then if you started with a E55, with its extra 300lbs of heft and 1:2.82 gearing.
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Originally Posted by eLemnt | 0ne
I always wondered what happened to Jeff- I didn't know he picked up a W202 C55; did he buy it from knvs?
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Wow! That's crazy! The last time I saw Kevin was last year when we had a Sacramento GTG/Drive. He car was a BEAST! Freakin' pulled like a freight train!
But at least it went to Jeff- he's gonna take good care of her. Can't wait to see the mods!
But at least it went to Jeff- he's gonna take good care of her. Can't wait to see the mods!
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...just something to consider in what you're trying to get out of the car.
* If you want to crush people off the line and on the hiway, C43 is lighter and has shorter 1:3.07gearing. Couple that with the 5.4L motor and Kleemann supercharger and you'll be hitting the 155mph govener sooner then if you started with a E55, with its extra 300lbs of heft and 1:2.82 gearing.
* If you want to crush people off the line and on the hiway, C43 is lighter and has shorter 1:3.07gearing. Couple that with the 5.4L motor and Kleemann supercharger and you'll be hitting the 155mph govener sooner then if you started with a E55, with its extra 300lbs of heft and 1:2.82 gearing.
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
..........good point. If you prefer the w210 body style, you can also change the E55 gear ratio to 3.07.
1) no fold-down seats
2) wife hated the dark burl walnut and I wasn't nuts about it
I would have lived with the latter but couldn't live w/o the former. Since there's no full-sized SUV in my life, I rely on the fold-down seats a lot.
Wow ... you got me thinking. Since I don't believe I can do the Quaife LSD that is in vogue these days in the C43's differential housing, I 'could' make my car into a 'real' C55 clone by also changing the rear diff to that used in the C55s in europe from the CLK55/E55, do 1:307 gearing in it + Quaife LSD. Dang , and my bank account just started increasing again. ...the boss isn't gunna like this!
<<< I'm on the right; the wife is on the left! 
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Originally Posted by c55m8o
wow, that's news to me! I really do love the W210 E55 look. I would have traded my C43 in about 2000 or 2001 if it wasn't for two things.
1) no fold-down seats
2) wife hated the dark burl walnut and I wasn't nuts about it
I would have lived with the latter but couldn't live w/o the former. Since there's no full-sized SUV in my life, I rely on the fold-down seats a lot.
Wow ... you got me thinking. Since I don't believe I can do the Quaife LSD that is in vogue these days in the C43's differential housing, I 'could' make my car into a 'real' C55 clone by also changing the rear diff to that used in the C55s in europe from the CLK55/E55, do 1:307 gearing in it + Quaife LSD. Dang , and my bank account just started increasing again. ...the boss isn't gunna like this!
<<< I'm on the right; the wife is on the left!
1) no fold-down seats
2) wife hated the dark burl walnut and I wasn't nuts about it
I would have lived with the latter but couldn't live w/o the former. Since there's no full-sized SUV in my life, I rely on the fold-down seats a lot.
Wow ... you got me thinking. Since I don't believe I can do the Quaife LSD that is in vogue these days in the C43's differential housing, I 'could' make my car into a 'real' C55 clone by also changing the rear diff to that used in the C55s in europe from the CLK55/E55, do 1:307 gearing in it + Quaife LSD. Dang , and my bank account just started increasing again. ...the boss isn't gunna like this!
<<< I'm on the right; the wife is on the left! https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/144065-kleemann-e55k-s7.html
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Wow guys, thanx, I appreciate all your responses, I need to review them & consider all my options, I'll probably inquire more when my project gets closer, once agian, thank you.
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