ProjectC55

Anyone familiar with these? (W201 190E 16V Sportline lower control arm bushings) I know I read about it in a thread here somewhere.

I heard that they are solid not hollow bushings that will fit our W202's and are a complete lower front control arm bushing upgrade. part# 201-330-01-75 W201 part#

Anyone familiar?

mbenzman

Carl,
I had explored a few possibilities for replacements before the poly ones came about. I wouldn't think they are the right size. I had measured several different Benz's for donors, but not the w201.

Ashkan's C43

Would these even be better than the poly version?

mbenzman

They would be made basically and look the same as the front bushing of the lower contol arm, just in the size to fit the rear bushing location of the front lower control arm on w202/208. I just don't believe they are the right size, but I will look into it as a possibility.

Lensolo

I heard the W208 CLK55's are solid as well.

ProjectC55

Tump43 has these on his car. I actually found the thread where thy were having the conversation. He mentioned that they were available from some guy named Phil from the Mercedes shop http://catalog.mercedesshop.com/ I believe in Georgia or Cali. I'll look for the link.


Goto post # 10:


https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ight=sportline

mbenzman

I'm not trying to argue with you. I wish they do fit straight up. I may install them to try them out. I was stating that I was searching for a factory part prior to the poly bushings. I'll bet they're stiffer than the poly bushing I currently have installed and therefore an improvement.

ProjectC55

No Rich ,I know u were not arguing. It would be good if you could confirm it and chk it out. I totally understood where you were coming from. This way I'll know for sure
PS I'm building a Ram air system for the CLK air box because I think that in addition to the cooling improvement ,ram air will help it tons(positive pressure). The stck box I think only benefitted from the car moving. Good idea but stupid placement.

mbenzman

The bushings 201-330-01-75 fit 300E, 300CE, and 190E 2.3-16 with sportline suspension. I swore I measured the 300E size and it wasn't right. Guess I'll have to take another gander upon those puppies.

mbenzman

I ordered two sets and have them in hand. The original bushings are 60.2 mm o.d. vs. the sportline 201 330 01 75 bushings are made for a 48.3 mm control arm diameter. So, it's no go without making some spacer or adapter. Just verified my earlier post.
Got more info?

Ashkan's C43

Thanks for proving it to everyone!!

*You also have done some amazing mods with the manifold... how much did it all cost? Please shoot me a pm if you don't want to say here

ProjectC55

Thanks Rich for chking it out. I am wondering why these were claimed to work. I need to get in touch with Marc and find out what made him post in that Link! Thanx again!

speedybenz

Alright Guys I have the solution to our problems a solid rubber control arm bushing to fit our cars with a 60.2mm OD diameter.

I am the King of Speed.

http://www.wulfgaertner.com/html/upl...B_08.03_EN.pdf

This may help too. http://www.wulfgaertner.com/Home/reference.asp?lan=en

Meyle Part No. 014 033 0053/HD

Jeff

Ashkan's C43

whoa great find Jeff! What do you think of their water pump and flex disc? Worth getting as well? I also think we can get a group buy from them, at least it should save us the shipping costs... I am down to buy these. I regret buying the lpds now...

Ashkan's C43

Yes, yes you are. Cheers.

~ Ashkan

speedybenz

That line was just a joke. Kind of like when Lighting McQueen says "I am Speed" right before he races.

Jeff

Ashkan's C43

I am a huge pixar fan!

~ Ashkan

ProjectC55

Jeff is that the front bushing? I'm not sure.
I believe Rich(Mbenzman) gave us the hook up for the rear bushing on the control arm.

mbenzman

That 210 part number and the picture from the Mehle website is for the thrust bushing (front location of front lower control arm, but is the same purpose) for only the 210's, which straight up is too long for the W202/208's thrust bushing location (rear of front lower control arm) There is a big black washer on the one end that may be removed, but I keep these in stock (4 sets currently) because they are crap. They are 600 mm diameter, but I'm not interested in the idea of installing them, especially with the added weight and strain on my suspension, steering and brakes from the AMG Blower.
I would question that website for suggesting the part number reference for W202/208 is a 210 330 01 75. The exact #'s are 208 330 01 75 for the CLK55, 208 330 00 75 for the non AMG CLK's, 170 330 00 75 for all the w202's and R170's. The funny part is even with different numbers, I can tell no physical difference between the bushings.If you get replacement control arms, they are the same part numbers for all the W202/208/170 and have the bushings preinstalled. So is there a difference between the bushings? But they aren't w210 bushings. Feel free to contact them and have them clarify this issue.

speedybenz

Well, sorry guys t just did not read throughly enough to see that it was for the front bushing location.

I guess I am now "The King of Mud" easy come, easy go.

I did make the rear bushing for my car that are killer and may never never need replacing.

Jeff

Ashkan's C43

rear bushings? You mean the ones for the sways?

mbenzman

Jeff,
You posted some good stuff and right on target.
Reread my post, the bushing in the rear position of the front lower control on your car, all 202, 208 and 170 chassis, is the thrust bushing, which is the one we are trying to improve upon.
On a 210 chassis the front lower control arm is reversed. The "thrust bushing is in the front position in these cars and also the one the is crap as well. Mehle's website touched the point but the one part cures all needs clarification. I would expect at least two different part #'s to solve the cars problems listed.
Post up some pics of your solution. I have thought of pressing in sleeves to adapt a rubber bushing in like the ones from the 124's that we never have a problem with. I believe this idea would be stiffer than the poly bushings from lpd due to fact they are not solid rubber, but layers of sheet steel and rubber, just like the front bushing of our front lower control arm.

Ashkan's C43

I am not sure if anyone has looked into the site further but they do have a 202 specific bushing http://www.wulfgaertner.com/html/upl...B_09.06_EN.pdf its not as good as the universal one in being solid rubber but maybe better than lpd?

speedybenz

mbenzman,

I will try to get some photos of the rear bushing I made. It may not show up well as its on the car. But the car is on jack stands awaiting motor mounts, and stuff. I tore the left mount in half, which then caused the right mount to work to hard which resulted in the alum. wing that bolts to the block getting broken.

Anyhow, my lower rear bushing starts with the stock LPD piece and then I put it on my lathe and bored a 1.5" hole through the center. Then I took a piece of DOM 1.5"O.D. tubing I have and put it into the lathe and bored the I.D. to 1.313"(?) to fit the outside diameter O.D. of the spherical bearing with a 3/4" inner diameter (I.D.). The spherical bearing was then pushed into the DOM steel tube (slight interfernce fit) and then custom SS steel inserts were made to restore the length dimension of the new bushing to the stock bushing length.

With the spherical bearing in the DOM steel tube, I then applied a good polyurathane sealant to the LPD bushing and slid the DOM tube into place.

So now there is only 2.4" LPD bushing with a 1.5" steel tube fitted inside. That leaves only about 0.5" of the LPD Bushing to act as a dampener to road noise and as a big benefit there is no more twisting force being appiled to the LPD bushing as the spherical bearing inside the the steel tube takes the load and distributes the load out to the lower control arm.

It really tightens up the front steering and results in only a slight increase in road noise. My wife did not even notice and it is her car.

I will try to get a good pic.

Jeff

svt ricco

never need replacing? i'm interested...can you explain more?