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C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
My friends C36 Turbo murdered another buddy's modded W211E55 (556whp) bottom and topend so I highly disagree!
Solo36's 36 I understand is another beast to be concerned about. BOTH Automatics.
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C43 with E55 Motor
Has anyone confirmed if this motor is running properly???
I skimmed thru most of the post and lost track of the progress. I am suprised no one has asked for update. Sorry just interested in the progress.
I skimmed thru most of the post and lost track of the progress. I am suprised no one has asked for update. Sorry just interested in the progress.
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I guess this 36-43 never gonna end..but I still don't get it
C-36 = an entire 6L MB engine build by AMG
C-43 = an AMG badged V8 MB with "hot" cams (?)
TWO different animals, one common denominator: fill-the-blank
something remains in every forum a visit, the happy guys with the right car and the few with the wrong engine in it
C-36 = an entire 6L MB engine build by AMG
C-43 = an AMG badged V8 MB with "hot" cams (?)
TWO different animals, one common denominator: fill-the-blank
something remains in every forum a visit, the happy guys with the right car and the few with the wrong engine in it
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C43/55,2k11 Volvo S60 T6AWD,2k Audi B5 S4,95 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD 500+awhp
I guess this 36-43 never gonna end..but I still don't get it
C-36 = an entire 6L MB engine build by AMG
C-43 = an AMG badged V8 MB with "hot" cams (?)
TWO different animals, one common denominator: fill-the-blank
something remains in every forum a visit, the happy guys with the right car and the few with the wrong engine in it
C-36 = an entire 6L MB engine build by AMG
C-43 = an AMG badged V8 MB with "hot" cams (?)
TWO different animals, one common denominator: fill-the-blank
something remains in every forum a visit, the happy guys with the right car and the few with the wrong engine in it
No need bringing this dead sub back to life.
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05 c55 silver, 98 Imperial Red C43
The difference is. C36 is just a c280 with a modified engine and a few other things, maybe bigger brakes and what not but the c43 was fully assembled by amg, the whole chassis and everything
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C36 AMG
C36=PURE AMG handbuilt Engine from the oil pan up
C43=Hotter Cams. That's it.
C36 has the whole modified racing tuned suspension, AMG exhaust, Legendary 500E racing tranny, full S600 V-12 braking system, a bigger Differential/driveshaft, and now the engine? Fully redesigned from the oil pan UP by AMG and the way they USED TOO do it by replacing and redesigning everything! taking a small luxury engine and making it into a high performance BEAST, capable of matching the performance of a "Big" 4.3L AMG V-8!
Watch what you say there buddy, such B.S comments like that thrown out there can cause a lot of ****. They're both awesome cars! just the C36 is a pure modified "AMG" vehicle, read the FACTS.
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HAHAHA... and were does a C43 get its engine from? an E430!
C36=PURE AMG handbuilt Engine from the oil pan up
C43=Hotter Cams. That's it.
C36 has the whole modified racing tuned suspension, AMG exhaust, Legendary 500E racing tranny, full S600 V-12 braking system, a bigger Differential/driveshaft, and now the engine? Fully redesigned from the oil pan UP by AMG and the way they USED TOO do it by replacing and redesigning everything! taking a small luxury engine and making it into a high performance BEAST, capable of matching the performance of a "Big" 4.3L AMG V-8!
Watch what you say there buddy, such B.S comments like that thrown out there can cause a lot of ****. They're both awesome cars! just the C36 is a pure modified "AMG" vehicle, read the FACTS.
C36=PURE AMG handbuilt Engine from the oil pan up
C43=Hotter Cams. That's it.
C36 has the whole modified racing tuned suspension, AMG exhaust, Legendary 500E racing tranny, full S600 V-12 braking system, a bigger Differential/driveshaft, and now the engine? Fully redesigned from the oil pan UP by AMG and the way they USED TOO do it by replacing and redesigning everything! taking a small luxury engine and making it into a high performance BEAST, capable of matching the performance of a "Big" 4.3L AMG V-8!
Watch what you say there buddy, such B.S comments like that thrown out there can cause a lot of ****. They're both awesome cars! just the C36 is a pure modified "AMG" vehicle, read the FACTS.
C43 had E50\E55 amg brakes, has upgraded shocks, fully hand assembled by AMG so it probably has better tracking capabilities. Unique interior, adaptive tranny\brakes. Ur straight six is heavier than my V8 so Im assuming my car will do better at the track too
Ok 4 speed tranny might be better coz its not electronic or w\e but im not complaining about my 5speed. C43 will outbrake a c36, power is more linear due to the amount of torque.
I didnt know C36 had racing suspension from the factory? What exactly are you talking about???? No offense but c43 is just way more solid and better all around
I drove a c36 and I raced one(believe it had an intake)
Dead even till maybe 110 than i started pulling slowly but the power is just not as linear. Felt like my old 280 in traffic, in a c43 its instant, its there when u need it. Id love to own a c36 in red color but I don't think it would be nowhere as fun as a c43
And I dont recall saying any B.S. Mind reminding me what exactly I said wrong???
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C36 AMG
C43 had E50\E55 amg brakes, has upgraded shocks, fully hand assembled by AMG so it probably has better tracking capabilities. Unique interior, adaptive tranny\brakes. Ur straight six is heavier than my V8 so Im assuming my car will do better at the track too
Ok 4 speed tranny might be better coz its not electronic or w\e but im not complaining about my 5speed. C43 will outbrake a c36, power is more linear due to the amount of torque.
I didnt know C36 had racing suspension from the factory? What exactly are you talking about???? No offense but c43 is just way more solid and better all around
I drove a c36 and I raced one(believe it had an intake)
Dead even till maybe 110 than i started pulling slowly but the power is just not as linear. Felt like my old 280 in traffic, in a c43 its instant, its there when u need it. Id love to own a c36 in red color but I don't think it would be nowhere as fun as a c43
And I dont recall saying any B.S. Mind reminding me what exactly I said wrong???
Ok 4 speed tranny might be better coz its not electronic or w\e but im not complaining about my 5speed. C43 will outbrake a c36, power is more linear due to the amount of torque.
I didnt know C36 had racing suspension from the factory? What exactly are you talking about???? No offense but c43 is just way more solid and better all around
I drove a c36 and I raced one(believe it had an intake)
Dead even till maybe 110 than i started pulling slowly but the power is just not as linear. Felt like my old 280 in traffic, in a c43 its instant, its there when u need it. Id love to own a c36 in red color but I don't think it would be nowhere as fun as a c43
And I dont recall saying any B.S. Mind reminding me what exactly I said wrong???
If you raced a C36 with an intake, (depending on the intake) you probably had an advantage! A C36 with a regular cone filter sucking in HOT air from the exhaust manifold = LOSS in power.
Umm excuse me,, but I ALSO have a C280 '95, and what do you mean it "felt like a C280 in traffic"?? my C280 feels like an old SLUG compared to my C36 AMG! NO COMPARISON whatsoever. Period.
And yes I too drove a C43 before, and I really don't know what the hell you are talking about, but the C43 has to "downshift" to grab power,, the C36 does not. They BOTH are fun to drive, and the best thing about it is, they are both TOTALLY completely different cars altogether, so I really don't know why we are even comparing!
The Tranny off of the C36 is better simply because its tried tested and true, right from the legendary 500E Benz, and virtually BULLETPROOF.
Not too sure how the "stock" C43 suspension would handle on the track, but if you wanted to track the C36, you would most definitely have to change the springs, but for street use, it's day and night from anything else if Driven.
The B.S comes from you saying the C36 AMG is just a little modified C280.
You are wrong, the C36 AMG is a pure AMG, nothing to do with a C280 at all. If you would research, you would know how much work AMG did too that M104 3.6AMG engine and the whole car for that matter,, just like AMG "used too" do back in the good old days.
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In Germany there was a M104 C38 option if you took your car back to AMG. My friend Rocco was the engine builder at AMG then. 320hp & 338ft/torque. He told me it was faster than the C43 and got the same gas milage as the regular C36. I think Brabus had a 3.9L option at the time
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In Germany there was a M104 C38 option if you took your car back to AMG. My friend Rocco was the engine builder at AMG then. 320hp & 338ft/torque. He told me it was faster than the C43 and got the same gas milage as the regular C36. I think Brabus had a 3.9L option at the time
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In Germany there was a M104 C38 option if you took your car back to AMG. My friend Rocco was the engine builder at AMG then. 320hp & 338ft/torque. He told me it was faster than the C43 and got the same gas milage as the regular C36. I think Brabus had a 3.9L option at the time
Brabus had the C60.
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What im saying is that a c36 is a modified 280. C43 was built from scratch by AMG. C36 was built around a c280 so its a modified c280 like it or not
C38???
I also heard there is a C55 kompressor somewhere....not sure where tho
C38???
I also heard there is a C55 kompressor somewhere....not sure where tho
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In Germany there was a M104 C38 option if you took your car back to AMG. My friend Rocco was the engine builder at AMG then. 320hp & 338ft/torque. He told me it was faster than the C43 and got the same gas milage as the regular C36. I think Brabus had a 3.9L option at the time
Of course there are options but thats not what wer talking about
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And C43 built from scratch?? I know you surely aren't talking about the engine!... LOL.
"built around a C280"?? you make it sound like they built the C36 AMG with the C280 in mind!! lmaooo
Instead, they took an average Benz and turned it into a one of a kind high performance limited production vehicle A.K.A AMG.
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Yea C280 engine was fully rebuilt and there was goodies added to the car but its like taking a regular c280 and doing massive mods to it. Im not saying thats a bad thing but im just saying that a c43 was fully built by AMG, its like its not even a w202, know what I mean lol
Yea the engine is out of a E430 but who cares....
"The Mercedes-Benz W202 C 43 AMG version – was introduced in late 1997 to replace the C 36 AMG. Unlike the C 36, which was in fact a "ready-to-sell" C 280 disassembled for tuning at the AMG factory, the C 43 was the first – commercialized in short series – AMG car to be completely assembled at the AMG plant in Affalterbach after the acquisition of AMG by Daimler-Benz in 1998.?
Yea the engine is out of a E430 but who cares....
"The Mercedes-Benz W202 C 43 AMG version – was introduced in late 1997 to replace the C 36 AMG. Unlike the C 36, which was in fact a "ready-to-sell" C 280 disassembled for tuning at the AMG factory, the C 43 was the first – commercialized in short series – AMG car to be completely assembled at the AMG plant in Affalterbach after the acquisition of AMG by Daimler-Benz in 1998.?
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I CARE! LMFAOO Funniest post everr. I don't know about you, but to me, its the ENGINE and what AMG did to the ENGINE that makes it special!
"Hey Joe, lets go buy a regular E430 take that engine out and put it in our 202 and swap out the cam's, A LA C43!" ahhh
"But who cares.." you gotta be kidding right?? Geeezz Give me a break.
Like I always said, and will always say, "both 202 AMG's are really awesome in totally different ways".
Now popping in a 5.5L would be something else!!
"Hey Joe, lets go buy a regular E430 take that engine out and put it in our 202 and swap out the cam's, A LA C43!" ahhh
"But who cares.." you gotta be kidding right?? Geeezz Give me a break.
Like I always said, and will always say, "both 202 AMG's are really awesome in totally different ways".
Now popping in a 5.5L would be something else!!
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I CARE! LMFAOO Funniest post everr. I don't know about you, but to me, its the ENGINE and what AMG did to the ENGINE that makes it special!
"Hey Joe, lets go buy a regular E430 take that engine out and put it in our 202 and swap out the cam's, A LA C43!" ahhh
"But who cares.." you gotta be kidding right?? Geeezz Give me a break.
Like I always said, and will always say, "both 202 AMG's are really awesome in totally different ways".
Now popping in a 5.5L would be something else!!
"Hey Joe, lets go buy a regular E430 take that engine out and put it in our 202 and swap out the cam's, A LA C43!" ahhh
"But who cares.." you gotta be kidding right?? Geeezz Give me a break.
Like I always said, and will always say, "both 202 AMG's are really awesome in totally different ways".
Now popping in a 5.5L would be something else!!
Ull have to do some serious chasis mods in order to fit a v8 into ur 202
Its a v8 out of a e430 and its a good V8, engine is bulletproof.
Not too many small sedans had V8s back than, C43 was and still is unique in so many ways.
The fact that c36s engine was fully built by amg is awesome but I dont see anything wrong about a c43 using a slightly modded version of E430s engine.
A lot of todays high end supercars use engines out of old sedans and they are either modded or left stock.
Few examples:
Ascari A10 uses E39 M5 V8 engine
Zonda uses a 7.3 V12 out of an SL which is basically two of your engines put together
Spyker uses a V8 out of an audi
All mbs share parts and they are all based on each other. Even porsche uses Mb parts. The transmission oil cooler on my car is unique to my car, no other mb uses it but an automatic 996 911 turbo uses that same part
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E39 M5 uses the same V8 as a 540i 0nly the M5 is a 5.0. M3 E36 same motor as a U.S. 325 and 328l bored to 3.0 and a 3.2L. The US 94 and 1995 M3 were basically souped up 325s.
I think you both are debating the same silly thing. I mean what is the point.
The E36 M3 (a glorfied 325 based on this arguement) beats both the C36 and the C43.
I think you both are debating the same silly thing. I mean what is the point.
The E36 M3 (a glorfied 325 based on this arguement) beats both the C36 and the C43.
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E39 M5 uses the same V8 as a 540i 0nly the M5 is a 5.0. M3 E36 same motor as a U.S. 325 and 328l bored to 3.0 and a 3.2L. The US 94 and 1995 M3 were basically souped up 325s.
I think you both are debating the same silly thing. I mean what is the point.
The E36 M3 (a glorfied 325 based on this arguement) beats both the C36 and the C43.
I think you both are debating the same silly thing. I mean what is the point.
The E36 M3 (a glorfied 325 based on this arguement) beats both the C36 and the C43.
Why you even comparing an M3 with the 202 AMG's? and who's faster??
A BMW is NO WHERE NEAR a Benz, in quality and all.
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Umm I never knew AMG did "serious" chassis mods to the C43 to fit that "smaller then the M104 engine" in the engine bay?? LOL
FYI "IF" I wanted to drop in a 5.5L in my C36 (which I never said i wanted to do in the first place anyways...) I would have to change out tranny, computer, harness etc.. but do not have to mod the chassis.
FYI "IF" I wanted to drop in a 5.5L in my C36 (which I never said i wanted to do in the first place anyways...) I would have to change out tranny, computer, harness etc.. but do not have to mod the chassis.
