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Old 05-29-2010, 09:19 PM
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C43 Transmission swaps?

Ok here goes,

I have a 1998 C43 AMG with a bad sun gear, ring gear and planetary gear. I am looking for an INFORMED person who know what transmission you can use as a temporary fix while I save some money for Southern Hotrod to do this thing right! After some research I am no comfortable with the intel I have which is the following and Seattle MB has said well scratch scratch we dont know if the computers are the same and will interface yuck yuck. So here is what I got so far. Somebody end my misery please.

Transmission (722.631)

  • Manumatic gearbox with full automatic and manual speed selector positions
  • 'Winter' and 'Standard' positions button. 'Winter' starts in 2nd and upshifts more quickly when used as a full automatic gearbox.
  • 1st gear 3.59
  • 2nd gear 2.19
  • 3rd gear 1.41
  • 4th gear 1.00
  • 5th gear 0.83
Transmission is an AMG-modified version of the five speed automatic gearbox found on 1998-2000 R129 SL 500. Main modifications were made in order to achieve a more crisper and better adapted gearbox to higher-rpm upshifts.

Transmission
  • 5 and 6 speed (optional) auto 722.609 (same as C43, E55, SL/S600/c)
  • Final drive ratio 2.82
  • 1st gear 3.59
  • 2nd gear 2.19
  • 3rd gear 1.41
  • 4th gear 1.00
  • 5th gear 0.83
  • 6th gear 1.33
  • Reverse gear 3.16
I can be reached also outside the forum at saleen720@hotmail.com

Thank you in advance.

Mike Davis
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Originally Posted by SALEEN720
Ok here goes,

I have a 1998 C43 AMG with a bad sun gear, ring gear and planetary gear. I am looking for an INFORMED person who know what transmission you can use as a temporary fix while I save some money for Southern Hotrod to do this thing right! After some research I am no comfortable with the intel I have which is the following and Seattle MB has said well scratch scratch we dont know if the computers are the same and will interface yuck yuck. So here is what I got so far. Somebody end my misery please.

Transmission (722.631)

  • Manumatic gearbox with full automatic and manual speed selector positions
  • 'Winter' and 'Standard' positions button. 'Winter' starts in 2nd and upshifts more quickly when used as a full automatic gearbox.
  • 1st gear 3.59
  • 2nd gear 2.19
  • 3rd gear 1.41
  • 4th gear 1.00
  • 5th gear 0.83
Transmission is an AMG-modified version of the five speed automatic gearbox found on 1998-2000 R129 SL 500. Main modifications were made in order to achieve a more crisper and better adapted gearbox to higher-rpm upshifts.

Transmission
  • 5 and 6 speed (optional) auto 722.609 (same as C43, E55, SL/S600/c)
  • Final drive ratio 2.82
  • 1st gear 3.59
  • 2nd gear 2.19
  • 3rd gear 1.41
  • 4th gear 1.00
  • 5th gear 0.83
  • 6th gear 1.33
  • Reverse gear 3.16
I can be reached also outside the forum at saleen720@hotmail.com

Thank you in advance.

Mike Davis
Wish I could help you. I will say this though, if you are going to change the tranny out why not search for the EURO 6 speed that came stock in the EURO versions of the C43. I bet it would be FUN
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sorry to rain on your parade but no C43 ever came with a manual transmission euro, USA, AUS any country no manual was ever available.
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sorry to rain on your parade but no C43 ever came with a manual transmission euro, USA, AUS any country no manual was ever available.
you are right.... there is a 6 speed auto though, alas no manual
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There in fact have been a couple documented euro/middle east delivery w202 C55's that came with a manual 6 spd box. Literally a couple though. Renntech also offered a 6 spd manual coupled with their overbored 6.0 m113 in the CLK60. Other than that, there have been no other 6 spd variants offered for this engine or this car, manual or automatic. The 2000 MY C43 was offered with an updated tiptronic 5 spd auto, but no 6 spd auto in any of the markets.
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thats very interesting FLYNAVY i have never heard of any manual trans in c43 or c55 i would love to know what tranmission it was it Getrag, borg warner etc. as far as i know mercedes and amg only produced auto trans models for the w202 amg cars. The 6spd auto is a myth also. only 5spd and 4spd autos in w202's
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Originally Posted by amg801
thats very interesting FLYNAVY i have never heard of any manual trans in c43 or c55 i would love to know what tranmission it was it Getrag, borg warner etc. as far as i know mercedes and amg only produced auto trans models for the w202 amg cars. The 6spd auto is a myth also. only 5spd and 4spd autos in w202's
I'm not positive but I recall hearing that it was a ZF trans modified to work with the m113. Don't quote me on that though!

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Anybody think of contacting the AMG factory in Affalterbach? If any and correct information is needed, it probably would be THE best place to start asking IMO
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Anybody think of contacting the AMG factory in Affalterbach? If any and correct information is needed, it probably would be THE best place to start asking IMO
Contacted and AMG states "there has never been a manual tranny put in an AMG"
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Originally Posted by 503C43 ////AMG
Contacted and AMG states "there has never been a manual tranny put in an AMG"
Although true to a great extent, this does disregard the small number of m117 AMG engined cars that did come to the states with manaul trans......there is even a gentleman on this board who has a 5.6L r107 SL with a manual box. But I wouldn't expect the majority of spokespeople at AMG NA to know this, let alone have any knowledge of the 2 or 3 AMG w202's that were sold abroad with sticks.
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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
Although true to a great extent, this does disregard the small number of m117 AMG engined cars that did come to the states with manaul trans......there is even a gentleman on this board who has a 5.6L r107 SL with a manual box. But I wouldn't expect the majority of spokespeople at AMG NA to know this, let alone have any knowledge of the 2 or 3 AMG w202's that were sold abroad with sticks.
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WISH I HAD A C43 WITH A STOCK STICK
You and me both my friend! It would be a mod that I'd be very interested in, probably a greater priority for me than a 5.4L swap.....if it were feasible at least

BTW good to see another C43 with an Oregon owner. When I lived there and drove mine, I think I only saw about 2 others the entire time.

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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
You and me both my friend! It would be a mod that I'd be very interested in, probably a greater priority for me than a 5.4L swap.....if it were feasible at least

BTW good to see another C43 with an Oregon owner. When I lived there and drove mine, I think I only saw about 2 others the entire time.
There are 4 that I know of (including mine) for sure.... 3 black and 1 RED!!!!!!
How long ago did you live in Oregon and where do you live now?
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Originally Posted by FLYNAVY
You and me both my friend! It would be a mod that I'd be very interested in, probably a greater priority for me than a 5.4L swap.....if it were feasible at least

BTW good to see another C43 with an Oregon owner. When I lived there and drove mine, I think I only saw about 2 others the entire time.

Anything is feasible....... I use to have this mechanic that had this saying that I think it holds true, "It's a matter of cubic dollars". If you think about it, its very true. I can get a honda civic to SMOKE a Ferrari, I'll have to drop about $20,000+ into the civic but "it's a matter of cubic dollars". So it comes down to how bad do you want it
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There are 4 that I know of (including mine) for sure.... 3 black and 1 RED!!!!!!
How long ago did you live in Oregon and where do you live now?
Nice! I only saw silver ones while there, including my own. I moved away in early 2008, and only have been an infrequent visitor since (holiday leave, etc). I live outside San Diego now, but have been in FL, TX and MS for the last 2+ years.

Agreed about the $$$, and that's kind of what I meant about feasible. I'd consider it for 5-7k but I don't think I could justify spending much more than that on such a project.
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Nice! I only saw silver ones while there, including my own. I moved away in early 2008, and only have been an infrequent visitor since (holiday leave, etc). I live outside San Diego now, but have been in FL, TX and MS for the last 2+ years.

Agreed about the $$$, and that's kind of what I meant about feasible. I'd consider it for 5-7k but I don't think I could justify spending much more than that on such a project.
WOW I bet you could do it for 7k or less, if you are really able to drop 7k and really want it you should definitely be researching this option. I would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jealous
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Originally Posted by 503C43 ////AMG
WOW I bet you could do it for 7k or less, if you are really able to drop 7k and really want it you should definitely be researching this option. I would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jealous
I think I probably will in the future, though unfortunately car modding expenditures of that extent are currently limited for my own sanity to finishing up my 190e V8 project (already a collossal money pit as it sits today, well into 5 digits of expenditures, still not quite ready to drive yet)

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