Where to source a 5.4L???
09-06-2010, 08:31 PM
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Is this about a normally aspirated 55 or supercharged 55? Normally aspirated would be VERY simple and not expensive! Mechanically you just bolt in in as there is nothing really mechanically different from the 4.3. If you want a properly tuned normally aspirated 55 I would suggest using the ECU from a CLK55. It can be unlocked and programed to the car with STAR DAS in developer mode. Enignes are on Ebay all the time.
09-06-2010, 09:49 PM
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M113 5.4L is what I am after- n/a 55. I guess one of the guys who did the 55 swap is having trouble tuning his stock C43 ECU, so your suggestion of sourcing the ECU from a CLK55 is probably right on the money. Of course that's going to add to the total cost as well as headache of the project I'm sure. SAAB PM'd the contact info for the 55 motor but alas they are not open on labor day (of course) so I will be contacting them sometime this week to get a quote on an engine and see if they have an ECU to boot..... Thanks for the input
Your first step to see if this approach would work is look at your ECU and get the part number that begins with the letter "A". And then then check the part number off a CLK55 computer and see if they are at least the same type such as ME 2.0 or ME 2.8 I can do this if you need me to. I have all the MB software and can check it fairly easily. As long as you are using the same type of ECU 2.0 vs 2,8 things will be fairly easy.
09-06-2010, 10:10 PM
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The ECU issue is not that expensive, but it is just tough to figure out. You can get Used good ECU's for under $200 and it costs $250 to have it ulocked. A guy I know would probably charge a couple hundred to program it and that can be done remotely over the internet as long as you have local access to an independant shop with MB Star DAS. You won't find a mechanic that can do this themselves. But all the shops know Beckman Technologies and buy used ECU from them. Replacing an ECU is easy but programing an engine to a whole different car that didn't come with that engine takes Developer Mode which most mechanics can't do if they have even heard of it.
Your first step to see if this approach would work is look at your ECU and get the part number that begins with the letter "A". And then then check the part number off a CLK55 computer and see if they are at least the same type such as ME 2.0 or ME 2.8 I can do this if you need me to. I have all the MB software and can check it fairly easily. As long as you are using the same type of ECU 2.0 vs 2,8 things will be fairly easy.
Your first step to see if this approach would work is look at your ECU and get the part number that begins with the letter "A". And then then check the part number off a CLK55 computer and see if they are at least the same type such as ME 2.0 or ME 2.8 I can do this if you need me to. I have all the MB software and can check it fairly easily. As long as you are using the same type of ECU 2.0 vs 2,8 things will be fairly easy.
09-06-2010, 10:19 PM
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From what I understand, you don't need to swap in an ECU either. Speedybenz told me that the stock ECU has enough adapability in it to handle the 55 engine.
In Money-One's case, I can see why he is going with stand alone. It's fundamentally the same issue I had on my old Saab with the stock Bosch LH fuel injection and old skewl distributor ignition - crank up boost plus loads of other mods, and you can't tune it precisely enough. Stand alone - whichever system is used - can be a pain to install and tune (especially the light throttle, cold start stuff, ie. the everyday boring stuff) but the rewards with the flexibility for performance can be worth it. Depends what you want. I like the plug and play that AEM does with their systems - literally plug and play with the ECU and tune with laptop, using all factory sensors - but their application list is understandably limited to the more popular tuned cars, typically Japanese. Clearly, a C43 is not on that list. If it was, one would go that route for the ease of installation. Lemme tellya, measuring a crank pulley or flywheel to place magnets and then installing a crank sensor can be time consuming - not to mention nerve rattling when firing up for the first time!
In Money-One's case, I can see why he is going with stand alone. It's fundamentally the same issue I had on my old Saab with the stock Bosch LH fuel injection and old skewl distributor ignition - crank up boost plus loads of other mods, and you can't tune it precisely enough. Stand alone - whichever system is used - can be a pain to install and tune (especially the light throttle, cold start stuff, ie. the everyday boring stuff) but the rewards with the flexibility for performance can be worth it. Depends what you want. I like the plug and play that AEM does with their systems - literally plug and play with the ECU and tune with laptop, using all factory sensors - but their application list is understandably limited to the more popular tuned cars, typically Japanese. Clearly, a C43 is not on that list. If it was, one would go that route for the ease of installation. Lemme tellya, measuring a crank pulley or flywheel to place magnets and then installing a crank sensor can be time consuming - not to mention nerve rattling when firing up for the first time!
09-06-2010, 10:58 PM
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From what I understand, you don't need to swap in an ECU either. Speedybenz told me that the stock ECU has enough adapability in it to handle the 55 engine.
In Money-One's case, I can see why he is going with stand alone. It's fundamentally the same issue I had on my old Saab with the stock Bosch LH fuel injection and old skewl distributor ignition - crank up boost plus loads of other mods, and you can't tune it precisely enough. Stand alone - whichever system is used - can be a pain to install and tune (especially the light throttle, cold start stuff, ie. the everyday boring stuff) but the rewards with the flexibility for performance can be worth it. Depends what you want. I like the plug and play that AEM does with their systems - literally plug and play with the ECU and tune with laptop, using all factory sensors - but their application list is understandably limited to the more popular tuned cars, typically Japanese. Clearly, a C43 is not on that list. If it was, one would go that route for the ease of installation. Lemme tellya, measuring a crank pulley or flywheel to place magnets and then installing a crank sensor can be time consuming - not to mention nerve rattling when firing up for the first time!
In Money-One's case, I can see why he is going with stand alone. It's fundamentally the same issue I had on my old Saab with the stock Bosch LH fuel injection and old skewl distributor ignition - crank up boost plus loads of other mods, and you can't tune it precisely enough. Stand alone - whichever system is used - can be a pain to install and tune (especially the light throttle, cold start stuff, ie. the everyday boring stuff) but the rewards with the flexibility for performance can be worth it. Depends what you want. I like the plug and play that AEM does with their systems - literally plug and play with the ECU and tune with laptop, using all factory sensors - but their application list is understandably limited to the more popular tuned cars, typically Japanese. Clearly, a C43 is not on that list. If it was, one would go that route for the ease of installation. Lemme tellya, measuring a crank pulley or flywheel to place magnets and then installing a crank sensor can be time consuming - not to mention nerve rattling when firing up for the first time!
09-07-2010, 07:49 PM
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If you r mechanically inclined and have the tools ,the swap is pretty straight forward.
09-07-2010, 07:52 PM
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WOW, apparently I don't spend MY money fast enough for you guys. What about my posts make you guys think I am not serious about my car?? I like to look at every option before I drop my hard earned money on components for my car.
My original plan was to do the swap AFTER my 4.3L went kaput, I only have 111k on it and it runs GREAT.
My original plan was to do the swap AFTER my 4.3L went kaput, I only have 111k on it and it runs GREAT.
Is this about a normally aspirated 55 or supercharged 55? Normally aspirated would be VERY simple and not expensive! Mechanically you just bolt in in as there is nothing really mechanically different from the 4.3. If you want a properly tuned normally aspirated 55 I would suggest using the ECU from a CLK55. It can be unlocked and programed to the car with STAR DAS in developer mode. Enignes are on Ebay all the time.
Nice job on that Crossfire by the way.
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09-08-2010, 01:11 AM
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. Not necessary. I've been thru all of that. The stck AMG ECU in the C43 will work just fine. Just drop the motor(5.4L) in and turn the key that's it. It's no where near as comlicated as everyone's making it seem. Plus you did yours from a V6 and you did a very good job. In your swap you should have only had to chg the engine wire harness as far as the wiring was concerned right?
Nice job on that Crossfire by the way.
Nice job on that Crossfire by the way.
I did do some checking and what I said earlier about the CLK55 ECU was incorrect. the C43 uses the ME 2.0 computer and the only 55 that uses this computer is the pre-2003 E55. If the C43 mapping works great on the 55 then great. If someone wanted to have the actual 55 computer it would be fairly easy to program an unlocked used E55 ECU to the C43 using the approach I mentioned.
If someone want to use the 55K engine in a C43 your are going to have real problems to work out and will probably need a AEM piggy back system working with the stock C43 ECU. If anyone wants the number of the guy who will can program a used ECU for an engine swap, PM me.
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09-08-2010, 11:12 AM
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Guys check this out. It is short but it is a highly modified SRT/6 (supercharged AMG32) taking on a yellow Crossfire with a 55 Kompressor engine swap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEdhI...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEdhI...layer_embedded
09-09-2010, 11:55 PM
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Found this 2006 E55 Engine with 30k miles on Craigslist for $4,000.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
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Found this on Craigslist: 2002 Mercedes Benz E55 , 145k miles, $6,995.
Link: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...935793219.html
Link: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...935793219.html
09-10-2010, 02:12 AM
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Found this 2006 E55 Engine with 30k miles on Craigslist for $4,000.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
09-10-2010, 02:14 AM
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Found this on Craigslist: 2002 Mercedes Benz E55 , 145k miles, $6,995.
Link: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...935793219.html
Link: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...935793219.html
09-10-2010, 09:06 AM
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09-10-2010, 09:40 AM
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Yes, they are differnt in many ways. First they have a lot more power. They use speed density instead of mass air flow and cannot be controlled wit your stock ECU. The stock ECU cannot read or deal with boost. It can be done but you would have to run the 55K ECU which is a Bosch ME 2.8 and the C43 uses a ME 2.0. Using an AEM piggy pack computer with your stock ECU may work. It will bolt right in like a regular 55 but the electronics become the hard part. I did a v6 to V8 conversion and a friend just did a v6 to to 55 Kompressor swap. In the process we learned how to reprogram a donor ECU to our cars but we have not tried a 2.0 to 2.8 ECU swap. It is probaly possible.
09-10-2010, 11:51 AM
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Found this 2006 E55 Engine with 30k miles on Craigslist for $4,000.
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...945761544.html
09-10-2010, 06:04 PM
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I just did an eBaymotors search too. What a wide variety of pricing! $10k+ on the high and unrealistic side. More reasonable in the $2500-4000 range.
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Might be a scam since they are not picking up the calls and not replying the emails... Very unprofessional IMHO... Just forget about the ad...
09-11-2010, 10:59 AM
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Yes, they are differnt in many ways. First they have a lot more power. They use speed density instead of mass air flow and cannot be controlled wit your stock ECU. The stock ECU cannot read or deal with boost. It can be done but you would have to run the 55K ECU which is a Bosch ME 2.8 and the C43 uses a ME 2.0. Using an AEM piggy pack computer with your stock ECU may work. It will bolt right in like a regular 55 but the electronics become the hard part. I did a v6 to V8 conversion and a friend just did a v6 to to 55 Kompressor swap. In the process we learned how to reprogram a donor ECU to our cars but we have not tried a 2.0 to 2.8 ECU swap. It is probaly possible.
