C43 '55' swap thread
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You need to keep everything together that was made for eachother. Pickup and both pans. You don't want to be mixing this stuff, it's designed to have a certain clearance and location in the sump and you don't mess with that.
I know you don't want to but the only good option to be sure is to swap everything from the 43, then you'll know it's legit. Not saying it can't be done otherwise but you'd need to know what you're doing and looking for and do some careful measuring and checking the clearance with clay. Using what you know works is much easier and better and everything fits in the chassis as designed. It's the only way to go. Buy an engine stand for $50 and do it right. I'd do a rear main seal also at minimum.
The part where it looks like you're outside with these parts is a bad sign, you need to be surgically clean with everything or as close as you can. Clean work area clean rags organized work area. Any bit of dirt or debris getting in that oil pump could result in total engine failure. Hopefully you have the motor sealed off too. Don't screw around with this stuff take your time to do it right and you'll enjoy many miles of factory reliability.
Also if you use a different pump, check the sprocket and if different size keep the chain with it.
I know you don't want to but the only good option to be sure is to swap everything from the 43, then you'll know it's legit. Not saying it can't be done otherwise but you'd need to know what you're doing and looking for and do some careful measuring and checking the clearance with clay. Using what you know works is much easier and better and everything fits in the chassis as designed. It's the only way to go. Buy an engine stand for $50 and do it right. I'd do a rear main seal also at minimum.
The part where it looks like you're outside with these parts is a bad sign, you need to be surgically clean with everything or as close as you can. Clean work area clean rags organized work area. Any bit of dirt or debris getting in that oil pump could result in total engine failure. Hopefully you have the motor sealed off too. Don't screw around with this stuff take your time to do it right and you'll enjoy many miles of factory reliability.
Also if you use a different pump, check the sprocket and if different size keep the chain with it.
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You need to keep everything together that was made for eachother. Pickup and both pans. You don't want to be mixing this stuff, it's designed to have a certain clearance and location in the sump and you don't mess with that.
I know you don't want to but the only good option to be sure is to swap everything from the 43, then you'll know it's legit. Not saying it can't be done otherwise but you'd need to know what you're doing and looking for and do some careful measuring and checking the clearance with clay. Using what you know works is much easier and better and everything fits in the chassis as designed. It's the only way to go. Buy an engine stand for $50 and do it right. I'd do a rear main seal also at minimum.
The part where it looks like you're outside with these parts is a bad sign, you need to be surgically clean with everything or as close as you can. Clean work area clean rags organized work area. Any bit of dirt or debris getting in that oil pump could result in total engine failure. Hopefully you have the motor sealed off too. Don't screw around with this stuff take your time to do it right and you'll enjoy many miles of factory reliability.
Also if you use a different pump, check the sprocket and if different size keep the chain with it.
I know you don't want to but the only good option to be sure is to swap everything from the 43, then you'll know it's legit. Not saying it can't be done otherwise but you'd need to know what you're doing and looking for and do some careful measuring and checking the clearance with clay. Using what you know works is much easier and better and everything fits in the chassis as designed. It's the only way to go. Buy an engine stand for $50 and do it right. I'd do a rear main seal also at minimum.
The part where it looks like you're outside with these parts is a bad sign, you need to be surgically clean with everything or as close as you can. Clean work area clean rags organized work area. Any bit of dirt or debris getting in that oil pump could result in total engine failure. Hopefully you have the motor sealed off too. Don't screw around with this stuff take your time to do it right and you'll enjoy many miles of factory reliability.
Also if you use a different pump, check the sprocket and if different size keep the chain with it.
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The pans and pump are specific to the car it's going in, not specific to the engine. You can bolt any pan up to any m113 engine and it's all the same. The pickup is made for the pans that are installed on the engine. The engines in this respect are all the same.
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you only need to worry about oil pan if you're using the 55 motor from a car with a different oil pan.
if I am recalling correctly, you get the motor from a w210 E55, w208 CLK55, or w220 S55 you will not have to change either, just put it in.
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you absolutely do not need to touch the timing chain.
you only need to worry about oil pan if you're using the 55 motor from a car with a different oil pan.
if I am recalling correctly, you get the motor from a w210 E55, w208 CLK55, or w220 S55 you will not have to change either, just put it in.
you only need to worry about oil pan if you're using the 55 motor from a car with a different oil pan.
if I am recalling correctly, you get the motor from a w210 E55, w208 CLK55, or w220 S55 you will not have to change either, just put it in.
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Now I'm very confused as there are many conflicting opinions and suggestions. Can I install an '02 S55 motor without changing anything? The upper/lower pans have the same depth and the pump gears and chain sprocket are identical to that of the C43's. The angle of the pump pick up neck is different as well as a 1/4" in length due to the angle. If I keep the 55 upper pan, I should keep the 55 pump that was meant for that particular pan. Can someone confirm if this is correct? Thx
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i can fire up the epc on my star computer and check part numbers for you. tell me exactly what you want to know and i will get you the part numbers.
example: is the timing chain on a 2002 ml55 the same part number as the timing chain on a 99 e55?
example: is the timing chain on a 2002 ml55 the same part number as the timing chain on a 99 e55?
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Awesome, thanks guys. I saw that post and it confused me so i just wanted to make sure. i got my engine from a w209 2003 clk55 with the evo spec motor. as far as i know all i *need* to swap is the oil pan and pump, correct?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
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D.,
As i know; all "98>>2006" M112 & M113 uses the same timing chain, NO any difference between them..!,,
"W163 Ml55 & W220 S55" sharing the same U/L oil pans & oil pump,
if i'm not wrong; you can't use S55 can't use upper/lower oil pans on the W202 chassis, cause the angle of the lower pan will touch the sway bar,,
i believe C43 upper oil pan with S55 lower pan will work with C43 oil pump, other than that won't fit..
-;ZAYED;-
As i know; all "98>>2006" M112 & M113 uses the same timing chain, NO any difference between them..!,,
"W163 Ml55 & W220 S55" sharing the same U/L oil pans & oil pump,
if i'm not wrong; you can't use S55 can't use upper/lower oil pans on the W202 chassis, cause the angle of the lower pan will touch the sway bar,,
i believe C43 upper oil pan with S55 lower pan will work with C43 oil pump, other than that won't fit..
-;ZAYED;-
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D.,
As i know; all "98>>2006" M112 & M113 uses the same timing chain, NO any difference between them..!,,
"W163 Ml55 & W220 S55" sharing the same U/L oil pans & oil pump,
if i'm not wrong; you can't use S55 can't use upper/lower oil pans on the W202 chassis, cause the angle of the lower pan will touch the sway bar,,
i believe C43 upper oil pan with S55 lower pan will work with C43 oil pump, other than that won't fit..
-;ZAYED;-
As i know; all "98>>2006" M112 & M113 uses the same timing chain, NO any difference between them..!,,
"W163 Ml55 & W220 S55" sharing the same U/L oil pans & oil pump,
if i'm not wrong; you can't use S55 can't use upper/lower oil pans on the W202 chassis, cause the angle of the lower pan will touch the sway bar,,
i believe C43 upper oil pan with S55 lower pan will work with C43 oil pump, other than that won't fit..
-;ZAYED;-
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Just a quickie.....
What's the difference between upper and lower oil pans? Are they in two parts? Honestly I have never checked mine so can't say
What's the difference between upper and lower oil pans? Are they in two parts? Honestly I have never checked mine so can't say
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Awesome, thanks guys. I saw that post and it confused me so i just wanted to make sure. i got my engine from a w209 2003 clk55 with the evo spec motor. as far as i know all i *need* to swap is the oil pan and pump, correct?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
yeah, always use new gaskets. also i think you might have to switch the fuel injectors as well, easier to just move the whole fuel rail.
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Awesome, thanks guys. I saw that post and it confused me so i just wanted to make sure. i got my engine from a w209 2003 clk55 with the evo spec motor. as far as i know all i *need* to swap is the oil pan and pump, correct?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
when pulling off the oil pan will i need to swap the oil pan gasket as well?
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There is no oil pan gasket. Both upper and lower pans use a silicone sealant that you apply. You must scrape off all of the old sealant and thoroughly clean the area before you apply the new sealant. A plastic scraper works best and don't use any metal objects to scrape the aluminum pans as you could badly damage them.
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Cleaned and prep'd upper oil pan. I figured the new S55 motor needed an upper C43 pan that was clean and refreshed. Now to properly cure it in the oven so it lasts a very long time!
