C36 AMG, C43 AMG (W202) 1995 - 2000

1996 C36 Autocross Project

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Old 10-19-2010, 08:32 AM
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Me on the right:

You need to take her to pocono,I'd run you there. More fun!
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You need to take her to pocono,I'd run you there. More fun!
I am! Next season. The plan is to hit Pocono, Limetock and maybe even Glen.

Desperately need to learn to drive.
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well it looks like the build for the wavetrac limited slip diff is going forward!! prototype diff is started and should have the production units by jan. coupled with a needswings dual cai and a trip to atl. for a fender roll and some tuning tweaks by tony at buckhead imports and i should be ready for a meet!! keep me in the loop and lets shred some dr's in the spring!
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83 500SEC, 87 300D, 02 C32(x2), 02 C320T (x2), 03 C320T4, 03 C320T, 03 E55, 05 E320CDI, 06 E320CDI
nice pics! lots of fun ain't it?
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Dyno graph in. Car makes exactly the power it should be from factory. Will scan\upload later. Fully corrected graph at the wheels.

Not the smoothest thing I've seen, but at this point I'm skeptical my intake is to blame, its proper length to preserve resonance charging (I have the HKS mushroom kit):
  • New NGK plugs
  • New plug wires
  • New coils
  • Recrafted harness
  • New knock sensors
  • Sonic-cleaned and flow tested injectors
  • Recrafted intake suckers + valvecover seals + other vacuum checkup items
  • New MAF
Looking for C43 graphs, this comes up:

Stock wheel dyno:http://www.dragtimes.com/1999-Merced...phs-11527.html
Crappy pseudo-crank dyno: www.powerchipgroup.com/datasheets/partners/113/Mer0030.pdf

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Why are the torque figures so low?
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Why are the torque figures so low?
No one knows. It is a random dyno graph from DragTimes.

Does anyone have any charts of their C43s?
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Originally Posted by jumph4x
No one knows. It is a random dyno graph from DragTimes.

Does anyone have any charts of their C43s?
Nope but the torque figures cant be right. WHP is right where it should be

What did your c36 put down?
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There is crappy stuff, definitely not very reliable:

http://www.speedtuningusa.com/produc...edes-43amg.htm
http://www.speedtuningusa.com/produc...edes-36amg.htm
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Nope but the torque figures cant be right. WHP is right where it should be

What did your c36 put down?
217/219/218 hp on the three respective runs. I only have the graph of the 219 hp one. SAE corrected. This on 18x9.5 rear AMG wheels.

Torque peaked at slightly less than 240 ft-lbs, maybe 230 ft-lbs, I forgot. Torque climbed up to 95% peak at 3K nicely, but there's a nasty dip immediately afterwards. Will scan when I get home. Could be the notorious flatspot people talk about on the M104's.

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find another pair of rear wheels to use up front- for some reason they are lighter!
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find another pair of rear wheels to use up front- for some reason they are lighter!
18x9.5 ET25 simply won't fit.
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1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(
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217/219/218 hp on the three respective runs. I only have the graph of the 219 hp one. SAE corrected. This on 18x9.5 rear AMG wheels.

Torque peaked at slightly less than 240 ft-lbs, maybe 230 ft-lbs, I forgot. Torque climbed up to 95% peak at 3K nicely, but there's a nasty dip immediately afterwards. Will scan when I get home. Could be the notorious flatspot people talk about on the M104's.

yup thats the ****ing flat spot
it ruins this engine,
post the graph for i would like to see what power is over 6k rpm
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Wouldn't go so far as to say it ruins the engine, but it's just not as nice as it could have been.

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1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(
Thanx man for the post. and try the flat spot on a very hot car and ull see .
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Originally Posted by jumph4x
18x9.5 ET25 simply won't fit.

stock size, not 18's. some of the other 202/124 guys use the lightweight CLK 16's with 225/50/16's instead of 205/55's. You can use them too but will need spacers to clear your calipers in front, I may go back to them next year for the weight savings plus a little money savings on the tires themselves.

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stock size, not 18's. some of the other
Oh. I don't even have monoblocks for my car. It came on the lighter wheels anyways.

17x7.5F
17x8.5R

These ones, not sure what he style is called, but significantly lighter than monoblocks. But I do honestly think that the +20 mm tire fitment gives me more time than the additional rotating mass takes away.







By the way, I was doing something with the rear of the car up in the air and noticed something funky: that spoiler is a Lorinser unit!
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johnhef , been following the great progress with the car, well done. Question - Any word on that tuner in Chi town?
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i use the clk rims 13 lbs light! mounted my goodyear eagle ss dr's for a total weight of 35lbs! i have my new dual cai installed and hoping for about 377 rwhp. cant wait to see everyone in the spring!
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i use the clk rims 13 lbs light! mounted my goodyear eagle ss dr's for a total weight of 35lbs! i have my new dual cai installed and hoping for about 377 rwhp. cant wait to see everyone in the spring!
Whoa! 13lbs?! That's it? That is incredible.
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1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(
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Whoa! 13lbs?! That's it? That is incredible.
on my W124 i used to have the 15in X 7in SLK 200 ones (look the same as the above. ) they weigh 9lbs!!!!!

with the rubber off of them u can carry the rim with 3 fingers.
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on my W124 i used to have the 15in X 7in SLK 200 ones (look the same as the above. ) they weigh 9lbs!!!!!

with the rubber off of them u can carry the rim with 3 fingers.
Does anyone know if the 16in version will clear our C36 brakes? (1996 here)

I would LOVE to pick up a set.
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the clk rims i have clear my 300mm rear rotors so i would think they would clear yours.


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