jumph4x

Closing on the completion of my C36 as a resto\tuning project.

Previously I had gotten all the major bullsxxt out of the way like:

• multi wiring problems
• suspension rattles
• rear camber

And finally got to do fun stuff to it!

• intake heatsoaking baffle
• 190E Cosworth 3.27:1 LSD (I love you money-one!)
• +1 AMG wheel fitment with 245/35R18's on all 4 corners

And holy sxxt! The car is suddenly competitive in the local autocross team. It is really something. I went from sucking off R\T Neons to this:

http://www.cartct.com/10-10-10.shtml

Not to mention that after I took instruction from a friend on the fun-runs, I managed a 57.296s with him in the car. Shaving off impressive 7/10s. No cones.

Summary of the cars (and drivers obviously) that were done today:

• E36 BMW M3
• Latest gen Subaru STI
• Previous gen Subaru STI
• 2x fully-built FC RX-7 Mazdas
• 3x Ford Cobra replicas
• 2002 Subaru WRX
• B5 Audo A4 quattro (debaged, sounded like a 1.8T)
• All generations of the Miata
• E36/7 BMW Z3
• Mitsubishi 3000GT
• 2x Triumph Spitfires
• ACR Neon
• 94, 95, 99 Mustangs
• 95, 03 Mustang GTs
• Latest issue Civic SI 4-door
• Porsche 914
• SW20 MR2
• RX8
• 2x VW GTIs
• BMW 330XI
• 2x Mini Cooper S
• C4 Corvette

And basically within 0.5s of a GT3 (I know he didn't do any better in fun runs, so depending on who you ask, I was quicker today).

Some pictures: http://www.cartct.com/10-10-10p.shtml

Nice seeing you Ben (appatula)! Hope things work out with your car. Drove Ben's car today and realized how precise the steering on these cars is supposed to be. Tight and nimble. I have to find the point of failure and slack in my system.

Next project: shutting a C43 owner in a straight line? They just won't stop running their mouth about that all. Anyone from the tri-state want to meet up? Mass, RI?

appatula

Thanks Denis! I'll have to add some of the clips I took, the C looked really beastly out there and I must admit the sound when you get on it is just NICE. The combination of the exhaust and intake growl made people look. Also, I have to give you props on your driving skills, considering your a heavy four door pulling numbers close to new GT3's and vettes, murdered that E36 M3's time, with a person in the car........really respectable bro! Keep at it man, I'm going to need a teacher soon

I'd personally love to see a C43 run against a 36. Put all the trash talking to rest, we'll document it.

jumph4x

Thanks. Always nice to see the people drive their cars instead of discussing them on forums.

This. Cash the checks your asses are writing.

A little bit of foreshadowing for everyone: http://www.fantasycars.com/sedans/HT..._amg_w202.html

RLx02

This reminds me of someone who used to post here (maybe still does?) who would argue immediately that the c36 is an inferior auto-cross/road race car compared to the c43 lol...

appatula

No argument man, we are looking for a C43 to meet up with....rather than having to deal with people like that.

jumph4x

It's a shame, really.

• The car is 100 lbs lighter
• has less weight on the front axle
• makes 30+ horsepower more
• develops torque EARLIER
• has a better geared transmission

AND it only manages an improved:

• 0.2s in a 0-60mph test
• 0.2s in a 1/4m test

The implication is that all time lost is before the 60mph mark.

The 5G-tronic mated M104 engines from 1997 bring a heavier car to the same 1/4m time and within 0.1s of the 0-60s time. According to all the major reviewer magazines anyhow. Supposedly, Mercedes of NA also.

So, if any local C43 still has the audacity, please let me know. Loser buys everyone dinner.

EDIT: While I do have a baseline 3-axis accelerometer, I think to make this really interesting we should organize a day trip to the New England Dragway: http://newenglanddragway.com/home/index.php

PJmak

Why do you wana take on a c43 so bad??


If you have the 4 speed, chances are you will still be in the review mirror of a c43 driver.

I raced a 500e which has more power\torque then both mine and your car but I still pulled on him due to one more gear.

97 c36s with 5 speed and bumped up power are a different story, they are a hair slower then the c43s but lack smoothness in pedal response

Nice project you got going tho. I wanted to do that to my car but since its a pretty rare car, I don't wanna ruin it

jumph4x

Hahahaha, I would totally run my ruined car against you. In your rear-view mirror, you know. Silly me.

Too bad you live so far away.

PJmak

Sorry if I offended you, I raced my friends 97 c36 and im sure hell read this and post the results.

From what I know the 96 model has a 4speed?? If thats the case, you have absolutely no chance, even with your mods. Sorry its just facts. C36 is a great car and im planing to pick one up to go together with my c43 in the future

jumph4x

No offense taken, honestly. It just that you all talk about it in absolutes all day, every day. So bold.

This is exactly why I need one of you to race me. I simply don't buy that. You raced one W202.104 and now its 'facts'?

Do we have any local C43s? Anyone? Come on... I need this. My car has 144K on it, I don't care if yours has 10K or 100K, I just want to do this.

PJmak

I ran neck to neck with my friends c36 and i sligtly started pulling around 110 id say. We ran from a 70mph roll. Cars are pretty close but like I said, one extra gear does wonders and I really love seeing 202s get turned into track cars. I dunno how you misunderstood my post

appatula

We just really want to get a few 43's together and go at it with our 36's in a "scientific" manner, with documentation (vids, times, ect) rather than relying on a couple highway "one time pull" stories. 43 guys tend to be pretty defensive about this subject so it would be nice to get some hard "real world" evidence that everyone can benefit from rather than argue about.

LawRens

and so it begins once again. can a mod change thread title to the oh so cliche'd 36 v 43?

someone bring a c36 to socal and i'll run them. but id honestly get more kicks taking on e30/e36/e46 m3's, they're the true rivals, not other benzes...

I enjoy friendly rivalry as well between mbz owners and all, but please don't generalize c43 owners in a black and white logical fallacy. who are "they"? a certain few, or do you really mean all c43 owners? ?_?

jumph4x

Numerous guys. There are a-holes on either end. There are a lot of straight six butthurt guys just like there are many V8 owners who have even run a C36 in a straight, but they won't mind joining in on a discussion and tell you all day that the c43 is faster. Why? Because they've read about on the internet.

Obviously my car isn't stock. But that just means I honestly think I'm faster than a C43 now. If I am not, I will run one, lose to one and buy the owner dinner. Very simple. No bullsxxt.

Ultimately I just want to see if I have any true comparable gains.

ECTurboGSX

Honestly, you guys are on here talking the same game with no facts to back it up. Come on down south. Its the same thing, why don't you guys make the trek. We can meet up at Rockingham in North Carolina.

jumph4x

No coast wars

It's no big deal, I didn't mean to come off aggressive or anything, just really want to do this. Excited, you know? My car has sprung back to life and I simply want to know how much more to be able to pull on a C43, assuming I will be lagging behind. I see in retrospect how my wording is all pompous and ****. I realize the guys who love running their mouth aren't anywhere close to me. I wouldn't be taking out my frustration on some random C43 owners.

I think I mentioned I am willing to take the gang to dinner

There is just too much talk.

I will find someone local. I found a few members who are from Northern NJ and I think there is a car or two in Massachusetts, too.

ECTurboGSX

Good to see you got everything worked out. The diff is definitely a good thing to have picked up from Money-One. The whole diff issue has me wanting a W209 CLK55 just so I can buy an off the shelf LSD.

jumph4x

It was a steal. I feel like my car's worth just doubled. I don't think people realize these things... When I started talking to him and realized just how little he is asking for one of a kind differential, I couldn't believe myself.

Sent Paypal money same or next day.

320 dreamer

ill take a piece of either a 36 or a 43 in the 1/4 mile.

jumph4x

Oh daaaamn, hahaha. I'd run, but I definitely not betting sxxt!

http://streetspecs.com/specification...-slk-slk32-amg

320 dreamer

those specs are crank hp. mine has 347 rwhp and 337 ft/lbs torque

RANDY_P

How is your car on the freeway with the new gearing?

I'd do that if it's livable...

johnhef

good to see another C36 doing autocross. I've got some new vids from last weekend I'll post soon in one of my threads.

How was the 16v diff modified to work with the C36?

ProjectC55

How about a piece of my W202 in the 1/4 or a mile

PJmak