manual swap
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manual swap
hey guys, im going to do a manual swap.
my current tranny is on its way out and imma get a good deal on a manual one.
SO.
Transmission needed (717.4 5speed out of a 1999 slk230k )
Flywheel
Clutch
differential extended.
and now for the tricky part. I dont know what else i need ! lol im not a mechanic and...
i need to know what else ill need and wheres a shop that maybe i can talk to abut this?
also i have a 97 amg which means ill need to fool my computer.
how? anyone know of a custom shop that might now? i need heellpppppp. :thumbup:
my current tranny is on its way out and imma get a good deal on a manual one.
SO.
Transmission needed (717.4 5speed out of a 1999 slk230k )
Flywheel
Clutch
differential extended.
and now for the tricky part. I dont know what else i need ! lol im not a mechanic and...
i need to know what else ill need and wheres a shop that maybe i can talk to abut this?
also i have a 97 amg which means ill need to fool my computer.
how? anyone know of a custom shop that might now? i need heellpppppp. :thumbup:
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K guys im going through with this.
here the part list.
Parts included:
- transmission (regular 5 speed, not dogleg)
- single mass flywheel(flywheel from an m111 stick or euro m104 with the same flywheel)
- front part of the drive shaft
- pedal assembly with clutch pedal and cylinder
- clutch disc and pressure plate, used but good as part reference
- shifter, shifter linkages, interior trim, nuts n'bolts, etc
It looks like ill be using a 5speed c280 euro ecu. To make the tsm happy. if i can't find one ill end up using a Megasquirt standalone throttle body conversion.
( - Megasquirt v3.0 ECU
- intake manifold with custom fuel rail and injectors
- wiring harness
- EDIS6 controller
- coils and wires
- throttle body with TPS and throttle linkage
- special crankshaft pulley with 36-1 trigger wheel machined in it
- pickup sensor with mount
- custom fuel lines)
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here the part list.
Parts included:
- transmission (regular 5 speed, not dogleg)
- single mass flywheel(flywheel from an m111 stick or euro m104 with the same flywheel)
- front part of the drive shaft
- pedal assembly with clutch pedal and cylinder
- clutch disc and pressure plate, used but good as part reference
- shifter, shifter linkages, interior trim, nuts n'bolts, etc
It looks like ill be using a 5speed c280 euro ecu. To make the tsm happy. if i can't find one ill end up using a Megasquirt standalone throttle body conversion.
( - Megasquirt v3.0 ECU
- intake manifold with custom fuel rail and injectors
- wiring harness
- EDIS6 controller
- coils and wires
- throttle body with TPS and throttle linkage
- special crankshaft pulley with 36-1 trigger wheel machined in it
- pickup sensor with mount
- custom fuel lines)
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You’ll need to know how the engine is balanced. Does the flywheel have a built in counterweight? If so, is it compatible? Are you going to bolt it all together and then say "lightweight flywheel"? Will the starter match the flywheel ring gear? Sourced the pilot bearing? Throw out bearing? You have a clutch master, do you have the slave cylinder too? The pressure line? Trans mount? Clutch alignment tool?
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which fly wheel did u use? how did u get around the tsm?
and yea marcus it should be fine like the stick.
marcus good questions. im still in the parts list process what exactly does that bearing do?
and yea marcus it should be fine like the stick.
marcus good questions. im still in the parts list process what exactly does that bearing do?
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You may want to buy a transmission jack. I have a mechanical one (versus hydraulic) and they really are not that expensive. The advantage of a transmission jack is you won't ruin the pilot bearing or the front cover seal (IE the trans won't rest on the input shaft because you got tired of bench pressing the trans before it was completely in place - no matter what anyone says, manuals are heavy).
Also, on some applications the pilot bearing goes into the crank. DO NOT TAP IT ALL THE WAY IN. Leave PLENTY of room to pull it back out. If you ignore this advice, unconventional methods will have to be used to remove it with the next clutch job.
Lastly, if you want the motor to rev like a ZX10 (and who wouldn't?), grab the lightest weight flywheel you can find. No, the dyno won't show a HP increase, AND the idle may get funky (I don't know where a C36 idles, but it won't be 400 RPM like my 430), AND it'll never be an NHRA poster car (it was never going to be anyway), but the upside is the engine will rev very quickly. Once you have a lightweight flywheel, you'll laugh at "pulley threads" and leave other C36's gasping for air as you pull away on the road course. It extends transmission life too.
Also, on some applications the pilot bearing goes into the crank. DO NOT TAP IT ALL THE WAY IN. Leave PLENTY of room to pull it back out. If you ignore this advice, unconventional methods will have to be used to remove it with the next clutch job.
Lastly, if you want the motor to rev like a ZX10 (and who wouldn't?), grab the lightest weight flywheel you can find. No, the dyno won't show a HP increase, AND the idle may get funky (I don't know where a C36 idles, but it won't be 400 RPM like my 430), AND it'll never be an NHRA poster car (it was never going to be anyway), but the upside is the engine will rev very quickly. Once you have a lightweight flywheel, you'll laugh at "pulley threads" and leave other C36's gasping for air as you pull away on the road course. It extends transmission life too.
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I agree with the lightweight flywheel comments. They definitely give the engine a bit more zing, as the revs pile on a lot quicker. Car feels more alive. I've had aluminum ones (by Fidanza) in my Saabs and on my S2000 as well.
The con of a lightweight flywheel, though, is perhaps an increase in clutch wear. Definitely tougher starting uphill. I'd suggest not getting too aggressive with the clutch disc too, definitely would not recommend a 4 or 6 puck style disc, or even a full face disc with a really aggressive compound - unless it's a track car only. Using a combination of a lightweight flywheel and a puck style disc on the street is tough, and a recipe for multiple clutch jobs. On my Saab it was easy - I could have it out in about 30-40 minutes because the trans didn't have to be pulled - but on any other car...yikes. I think it was about a 10-12 hour job on my S2000.
The con of a lightweight flywheel, though, is perhaps an increase in clutch wear. Definitely tougher starting uphill. I'd suggest not getting too aggressive with the clutch disc too, definitely would not recommend a 4 or 6 puck style disc, or even a full face disc with a really aggressive compound - unless it's a track car only. Using a combination of a lightweight flywheel and a puck style disc on the street is tough, and a recipe for multiple clutch jobs. On my Saab it was easy - I could have it out in about 30-40 minutes because the trans didn't have to be pulled - but on any other car...yikes. I think it was about a 10-12 hour job on my S2000.
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omg i'm going to need a new clutch assembly too because that kit has a worn one, not to mention 300bucks for the ecu needed. and all these custom brackets clyinder and cutting needed.
thats another 1-2k that i was gunna use to help me with labor....and fo course other stuff thats gunna pop up
this is looking to be outta my budget now. (unless we make it a group project?
lol )
what about transmission rebuilds, what are my options here just to make my current misshifting one better?
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thats another 1-2k that i was gunna use to help me with labor....and fo course other stuff thats gunna pop up
this is looking to be outta my budget now. (unless we make it a group project?
lol )what about transmission rebuilds, what are my options here just to make my current misshifting one better?
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You thought paying someone to custom fit a manual transmission in an AMG was going to be less expensive than having your transmission rebuilt? See #3 on the attachment. For custom work, the number is cubed rather than squared.
To have your transmission rebuilt, call Peter Schmid or Sun Valley. They’ll both give you a reasonable rate and do the work properly.
To have your transmission rebuilt, call Peter Schmid or Sun Valley. They’ll both give you a reasonable rate and do the work properly.
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You thought paying someone to custom fit a manual transmission in an AMG was going to be less expensive than having your transmission rebuilt? See #3 on the attachment. For custom work, the number is cubed rather than squared.
To have your transmission rebuilt, call Peter Schmid or Sun Valley. They’ll both give you a reasonable rate and do the work properly.
To have your transmission rebuilt, call Peter Schmid or Sun Valley. They’ll both give you a reasonable rate and do the work properly.
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