To turbo c36 or c180 m113 conversion?
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190e & c36
To turbo c36 or c180 m113 conversion?
So i currently have a '96 C36 and a '97 C180
Cant decide if i should turbo the c36 or convert c180 to c55. C180 doesn't have motor or gearbox at the moment. I'll have to go stand alone for both so thats no drama
Looking for about 500hp for either iether.
Pro's of turbo c36
-engine already in the car
-I've got every thing to convert it to manual
-car looks nice
Con's
-Replacing head gasket every time i start it
-when i find a way to overcome the head gasket ill blow the block to pieces
-wrecking a very rare car
-if i blow the engine im ****ed, they'd prob want $5k for a c36 engine here...
Pro's of c55 conversion on c180
-its not an AMG, doesnt matter what i do to it or if i write it off
Con's
-don't even know if the engine will bolt in or if the c43's had a different cross member
-ill have to ship engine and gearbox from the states to Australia (prob still cheaper than finding replacment c36 engine here...)
With both cars i'd need to upgrade the suspension/braking, wheels.
buying a c43 is out of the picture, they fetch $25k here... on that i can sell my c36 for $20k to fund the c180....
thoughts/feelings?
Cant decide if i should turbo the c36 or convert c180 to c55. C180 doesn't have motor or gearbox at the moment. I'll have to go stand alone for both so thats no drama
Looking for about 500hp for either iether.
Pro's of turbo c36
-engine already in the car
-I've got every thing to convert it to manual
-car looks nice
Con's
-Replacing head gasket every time i start it
-when i find a way to overcome the head gasket ill blow the block to pieces
-wrecking a very rare car
-if i blow the engine im ****ed, they'd prob want $5k for a c36 engine here...
Pro's of c55 conversion on c180
-its not an AMG, doesnt matter what i do to it or if i write it off
Con's
-don't even know if the engine will bolt in or if the c43's had a different cross member
-ill have to ship engine and gearbox from the states to Australia (prob still cheaper than finding replacment c36 engine here...)
With both cars i'd need to upgrade the suspension/braking, wheels.
buying a c43 is out of the picture, they fetch $25k here... on that i can sell my c36 for $20k to fund the c180....
thoughts/feelings?
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1995 C36 AMG, 1998 C43 AMG
Having you thought about picking up a 3.2 M104 and putting a turbo setup on that? More reliable than the 3.6 because of lower compression and thicker cylinder walls.
Also putting the manual in the C36 would be sweet. People always talk about in on here but no one has ever done it on the forum, at least while i've been active. It would be much harder to work out with a V8, and I don't know if the transmission would be able to mount up at all
Also putting the manual in the C36 would be sweet. People always talk about in on here but no one has ever done it on the forum, at least while i've been active. It would be much harder to work out with a V8, and I don't know if the transmission would be able to mount up at all
Last edited by nd4spd13; Jul 2, 2012 at 12:59 PM.
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1995 C36 AMG, 1998 C43 AMG
Personally, I'd do that, considering all the cons you listed for the C36, the sake of keeping the C36 original, and the fact that it'd be expensive to get a 5.4 and you already have the 3.0, sounds perfect to me.
I'm sure you could get 500hp more reliably with the 3 than the 3.6, so why not?
I'm sure you could get 500hp more reliably with the 3 than the 3.6, so why not?
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1999 C43, 2008 P30 E63, 2014 SQ5, 2024 Model Y Performance
PM whipplem104, he has turbo'd his M104 and is producing serious numbers. He is very knowledgeable and could give you some insight on what is required to get big numbers from a turbo'd M104
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@ dearlove: I read you have everything to convert it to manual, so what gearbox can hold the 500hp m104 engine? this guy has the 2.8 with 370whp
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190e & c36
bringing back old thread...
can anyone confirm, the only thing the c43 had different from the other w202's in regard to physically mounting the engine in was the engine mount brackets, as in was the subframe/steering box location the same?
dont care about the tailshaft/gearbox mounts/radiator right now...
can anyone confirm, the only thing the c43 had different from the other w202's in regard to physically mounting the engine in was the engine mount brackets, as in was the subframe/steering box location the same?
dont care about the tailshaft/gearbox mounts/radiator right now...
