E39 M5 vs. C43... Unexpected ending
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E39 M5 vs. C43... Unexpected ending
Yes, it's another nice kill story
Yesterday night driving back home from work, I spotted a mint E39 M5. I was kinda drooling over it while driving because it was so clean. I drove alongside the guy for a good minute or 2 and then we pull up to a traffic light with nobody in front of us and the next 3 traffic lights ahead bright green.
I was like "what the hell, he's going to smoke me if he goes for it but let's give it a shot". I had some serious intermittent power loss issues with the car for about a year that I tried to solve - unsuccessfully - with a bunch of different methods and parts. Recently, I changed the entire intake manifold, injectors, spark plugs, coil packs, and MAF. The car now drives like brand new and is a beast. That's why I wanted to give it a shot...
Lights turn green, we both start accelerating (not flooring it), cars shifts in 2nd, and then I see it is on, the guy in the M5 is going for it. I floor the car, the car shifts back into 1st, spins tires and takes off like a rocket. As soon as the car shifted back into 1st, I started - to my surprise - pulling away. We stop two traffic lights later and I'm ahead of the guy. HAHAHA GOT YOU !!!
He might have missed a gear or something like that but hell... a kill is a kill
Anyway I thought I'd share this nice kill. I was laughing my *** off like a kid when I stopped in front of him.
Yesterday night driving back home from work, I spotted a mint E39 M5. I was kinda drooling over it while driving because it was so clean. I drove alongside the guy for a good minute or 2 and then we pull up to a traffic light with nobody in front of us and the next 3 traffic lights ahead bright green.
I was like "what the hell, he's going to smoke me if he goes for it but let's give it a shot". I had some serious intermittent power loss issues with the car for about a year that I tried to solve - unsuccessfully - with a bunch of different methods and parts. Recently, I changed the entire intake manifold, injectors, spark plugs, coil packs, and MAF. The car now drives like brand new and is a beast. That's why I wanted to give it a shot...
Lights turn green, we both start accelerating (not flooring it), cars shifts in 2nd, and then I see it is on, the guy in the M5 is going for it. I floor the car, the car shifts back into 1st, spins tires and takes off like a rocket. As soon as the car shifted back into 1st, I started - to my surprise - pulling away. We stop two traffic lights later and I'm ahead of the guy. HAHAHA GOT YOU !!!
He might have missed a gear or something like that but hell... a kill is a kill
Anyway I thought I'd share this nice kill. I was laughing my *** off like a kid when I stopped in front of him.
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Good kill; sounds like you had a good time. There's much room for driver error in an e39 m5 considering they only come in manual, so it actually shouldn't be too surprising if you do find yourself leading in a race like that. Hell, a few years back in a similar race (my c43 vs e39 m5) from a dig, I took him to about 80mph with about five car lengths in between...
Unfortunately though, if we ever come across a competent driver behind the steering wheel in that same m5, we'd see nothing but tail lights all the way.
Unfortunately though, if we ever come across a competent driver behind the steering wheel in that same m5, we'd see nothing but tail lights all the way.
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True that ! That's why I was so-surprised when I pulled away... Guess he might have slipped a gear or something like that. Would have been a different story at highway speeds...
Gotta love how the C43 takes off when shifting down from 2nd to 1st gear
Gotta love how the C43 takes off when shifting down from 2nd to 1st gear
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There is no way in earth a C43 can beat a e39 M5, even my C43 can't beat my own e34 M5 3.8L which is quite faster already than my C43.
I even raced my C43 against my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (chip and header) from a roll (1st gear) and we were head to head up to 3rd gear, when we bought shifted to 4th gear my Benz started to pull nicely over the e36. I don't want even to race my other buddies which own a e36 M3 euro version (3.0L = 286 HP) and the e36 M3 "EVO" (3.2L 321 HP) both stock... lol
But sounds like you had a fun time
I even raced my C43 against my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (chip and header) from a roll (1st gear) and we were head to head up to 3rd gear, when we bought shifted to 4th gear my Benz started to pull nicely over the e36. I don't want even to race my other buddies which own a e36 M3 euro version (3.0L = 286 HP) and the e36 M3 "EVO" (3.2L 321 HP) both stock... lol
But sounds like you had a fun time
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There is no way in earth a C43 can beat a e39 M5, even my C43 can't beat my own e34 M5 3.8L which is quite faster already than my C43.
I even raced my C43 against my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (chip and header) from a roll (1st gear) and we were head to head up to 3rd gear, when we bought shifted to 4th gear my Benz started to pull nicely over the e36. I don't want even to race my other buddies which own a e36 M3 euro version (3.0L = 286 HP) and the e36 M3 "EVO" (3.2L 321 HP) both stock... lol
But sounds like you had a fun time
I even raced my C43 against my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (chip and header) from a roll (1st gear) and we were head to head up to 3rd gear, when we bought shifted to 4th gear my Benz started to pull nicely over the e36. I don't want even to race my other buddies which own a e36 M3 euro version (3.0L = 286 HP) and the e36 M3 "EVO" (3.2L 321 HP) both stock... lol
But sounds like you had a fun time
raced a m5 with my c36(got him till 60 after that he pulled 2 cars until we reached 120 mph) . I think this is possible form 0/60 maybe 70 the c43 can win in these speeds. the e39 has an horrible clutch trust me lol. Don't get me wrong in a 1/4mile the m5 will most probably win. even some 540's are faster then the m5 to 60.
if an e39 m5 is in perect condition he would just slightly win 0/60. most of them have a worn clutch.
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c43 slower then the e34m5? with all respect just no. the e34 3.8 does 0-60 in about 5.9/6 sec c43 is about 5.8/9 sec. to 120 mph the c43 is just a bit faster.
raced a m5 with my c36(got him till 60 after that he pulled 2 cars until we reached 120 mph) . I think this is possible form 0/60 maybe 70 the c43 can win in these speeds. the e39 has an horrible clutch trust me lol. Don't get me wrong in a 1/4mile the m5 will most probably win. even some 540's are faster then the m5 to 60.
if an e39 m5 is in perect condition he would just slightly win 0/60. most of them have a worn clutch.
raced a m5 with my c36(got him till 60 after that he pulled 2 cars until we reached 120 mph) . I think this is possible form 0/60 maybe 70 the c43 can win in these speeds. the e39 has an horrible clutch trust me lol. Don't get me wrong in a 1/4mile the m5 will most probably win. even some 540's are faster then the m5 to 60.
if an e39 m5 is in perect condition he would just slightly win 0/60. most of them have a worn clutch.
You will be amazed how fast is my e34 M5 3.8L (factory CAT delete), although is chipped only, but I will have to flash my C43 and put both in the same condition and see how both run.
I raced my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (the one mentioned in previosu post) from a roll too, 1st gear, against my M5, and from the 1st gear my M5 will jump ahead, at the end of the 3th gear my M5 will have about 2.5 cars ahaed of this e36 M3.
I also raced my two other friends, the ones I mentioned in my previous post as well, the 3.0L euro e36 M3 with 286 HP stock, my M5 will put about 2 cars ahead by the end of 3th gear and early 4th gear.
Now, with with the e36 M3 EVO 3.2L 321 Hp factory HP from my other friend, was totally different, head to head, but after 4th gear my M5 will start pull harder (by bit) and beat the e36, a though job for sure.
With this said, you can conclude that my M5 3.8L 6 cyl is way/quite faster than the C43 (my C43 is a euro version btw..if that matters) since the M5 beated easily this US M3 while my C43 couldn't beat it but from 4th gear slightly started pulling ahaed. Looking at your location I would think your country has two e34 M5 version, the 3.6L rated at 315 HP and the 3.8L version rated at 340hp. Sure you are not confusing with a 3,6L M5? Very possible that the C43 can beat this one, but again, no way in hell the 3.8L version not even reflashing my C43 could beat my M5 I bet
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You will be amazed how fast is my e34 M5 3.8L (factory CAT delete), although is chipped only, but I will have to flash my C43 and put both in the same condition and see how both run.
I raced my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (the one mentioned in previosu post) from a roll too, 1st gear, against my M5, and from the 1st gear my M5 will jump ahead, at the end of the 3th gear my M5 will have about 2.5 cars ahaed of this e36 M3.
I also raced my two other friends, the ones I mentioned in my previous post as well, the 3.0L euro e36 M3 with 286 HP stock, my M5 will put about 2 cars ahead by the end of 3th gear and early 4th gear.
Now, with with the e36 M3 EVO 3.2L 321 Hp factory HP from my other friend, was totally different, head to head, but after 4th gear my M5 will start pull harder (by bit) and beat the e36, a though job for sure.
With this said, you can conclude that my M5 3.8L 6 cyl is way/quite faster than the C43 (my C43 is a euro version btw..if that matters) since the M5 beated easily this US M3 while my C43 couldn't beat it but from 4th gear slightly started pulling ahaed. Looking at your location I would think your country has two e34 M5 version, the 3.6L rated at 315 HP and the 3.8L version rated at 340hp. Sure you are not confusing with a 3,6L M5? Very possible that the C43 can beat this one, but again, no way in hell the 3.8L version not even reflashing my C43 could beat my M5 I bet
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I raced my buddy's e36 M3 US specs (the one mentioned in previosu post) from a roll too, 1st gear, against my M5, and from the 1st gear my M5 will jump ahead, at the end of the 3th gear my M5 will have about 2.5 cars ahaed of this e36 M3.
I also raced my two other friends, the ones I mentioned in my previous post as well, the 3.0L euro e36 M3 with 286 HP stock, my M5 will put about 2 cars ahead by the end of 3th gear and early 4th gear.
Now, with with the e36 M3 EVO 3.2L 321 Hp factory HP from my other friend, was totally different, head to head, but after 4th gear my M5 will start pull harder (by bit) and beat the e36, a though job for sure.
With this said, you can conclude that my M5 3.8L 6 cyl is way/quite faster than the C43 (my C43 is a euro version btw..if that matters) since the M5 beated easily this US M3 while my C43 couldn't beat it but from 4th gear slightly started pulling ahaed. Looking at your location I would think your country has two e34 M5 version, the 3.6L rated at 315 HP and the 3.8L version rated at 340hp. Sure you are not confusing with a 3,6L M5? Very possible that the C43 can beat this one, but again, no way in hell the 3.8L version not even reflashing my C43 could beat my M5 I bet
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I believe you when you say YOUR e34 m5 is faster then your c43. All the other e34(3.8 m5's in stock condition) I have seen and driven do 0-60 in 6/ 0-120 in 21/22sec. c43 does it in about 20/21 sec. they are about the same stock vs stock.
So what I think is going on here your m5 might be quite a bit faster then stock, maybe even more then you think. no way a stock e34 would beat the c43 by 2 car lenghts.
congretz on the head to head with the m3 e36 evo euro. they do 0-60 in little over 5 sec! this proves your m5 is somehow alot more quick than it should be lol.
back on topic, the e34 m5 can beat the e39 m5 to 60 so can the c43. Like I said before they have horrible clutches.
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BMW 540i (E39):
Weight: 4,026 lbs
power: 282 HP / 320 ft/lbs TQ
0-60 = 6.2 seconds (Manual) / 6.5 (Auto)
AMG C43 (W202)
Weight: 3,450
Power: 302 HP / 302 ft/lbs TQ
0-60 = 5.8 seconds
A C43 will beat a 540i every time especially as the claimed 6.2 seconds (manual) is with a competent driver behind the wheel that is shifting properly every time
As far as beating the M5, the M5 (E39) is claimed to have a 5.2 second 0-60. All M5's (E39) are manual, it is easy to loose tenths of seconds miss shifting or shifting at the wrong RPM (before or after the power band).
that being said, the driver would have had to of made serious errors to have a C43 pull "car lengths" on an M5
Weight: 4,026 lbs
power: 282 HP / 320 ft/lbs TQ
0-60 = 6.2 seconds (Manual) / 6.5 (Auto)
AMG C43 (W202)
Weight: 3,450
Power: 302 HP / 302 ft/lbs TQ
0-60 = 5.8 seconds
A C43 will beat a 540i every time especially as the claimed 6.2 seconds (manual) is with a competent driver behind the wheel that is shifting properly every time
As far as beating the M5, the M5 (E39) is claimed to have a 5.2 second 0-60. All M5's (E39) are manual, it is easy to loose tenths of seconds miss shifting or shifting at the wrong RPM (before or after the power band).
that being said, the driver would have had to of made serious errors to have a C43 pull "car lengths" on an M5
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Something I learned in my short experience is that papers might withstand everyting and may predict the result, but once tested on the field the things, it might show unpredictable results and in my way of view the things...I never trust the papers
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A E39 M5 will destroy a C43 at ALL speeds!!!! Unless the driver just can't drive. They do spin very easily in first gear due to the torque that the 4.9L motor puts out. C43 no comparison to the E39 M5 beast!!! I've driven them.
Drop in the 5.4l in the C43 then, we are talking about a whole different MB Beast that an M5 of anykind before the E60 M5 would not want.
Drop in the 5.4l in the C43 then, we are talking about a whole different MB Beast that an M5 of anykind before the E60 M5 would not want.
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A E39 M5 will destroy a C43 at ALL speeds!!!! Unless the driver just can't drive. They do spin very easily in first gear due to the torque that the 4.9L motor puts out. C43 no comparison to the E39 M5 beast!!! I've driven them.
Drop in the 5.4l in the C43 then, we are talking about a whole different MB Beast that an M5 of anykind before the E60 M5 would not want.
Drop in the 5.4l in the C43 then, we are talking about a whole different MB Beast that an M5 of anykind before the E60 M5 would not want.
e36 M3 vs AMG c43
BMW e39 vs e36 M3 vs E46 M3 vs C55AMG (although, is not the w202 C43 AMG, you can see how good the e36 M3 slant six can keep up witht he C55)
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Indeed and to back up what I have said, most of the videos on youtube, the C43 loose against the BMW's specially the 6cyl lolz
e36 M3 vs AMG c43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvi8...eature=related
BMW e39 vs e36 M3 vs E46 M3 vs C55AMG (although, is not the w202 C43 AMG, you can see how good the e36 M3 slant six can keep up witht he C55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aCkx...eature=related
e36 M3 vs AMG c43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTvi8...eature=related
BMW e39 vs e36 M3 vs E46 M3 vs C55AMG (although, is not the w202 C43 AMG, you can see how good the e36 M3 slant six can keep up witht he C55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aCkx...eature=related
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And as I indicated, I was between traffic lights so we did not have the time to over 60 or so... Even though, it's still a kill and I had a very fun time !
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Yep. that seems to be a Euro 3.0L (286HP) slightly modified to achieve 306 HP according to the description unless there was a type, but still less quick than the 3.2L 321 factory HP e36 EVO version..and the C55 AMG..what a shame lol
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Definitely not a good comparison.
