Anyone successful in turning ESP completely "off"??!?!
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Anyone successful in turning ESP completely "off"??!?!
I hill climbed the C43 this weekend and the electronic safety net has got to go. I need to find a way to completely turn the ESP system off. Pulling the fuse also eliminates abs, which I would like to keep.
Anyone figure out how to do this yet?
Anyone figure out how to do this yet?
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I don't know the answer to your question unfortunately.
Off topic, but do you have a roll bar in your C43?
Off topic, but do you have a roll bar in your C43?
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i dont understand, how is it not off when you turn the switch off?
i turn mine off at autocross and it has never stepped in to stop me from completely spinning out! haha
i turn mine off at autocross and it has never stepped in to stop me from completely spinning out! haha
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Guys, the system still kicks in when the car thinks it is going to spin. When you drive on the street, it appears to be "off" because it is less intrusive when you turn the ESP off, but trust me, it is still on. I can hear and feel the calipers activating in the turns and the Yellow ESP lights flashes (instead of being on all the time). We are working closely with a MB mechanic and he is trying to figure this out as well.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
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i always thought the light flashing was just an indication of overt wheelspin and that is where the ESP would be applied if it were turned on.
I never sense the car braking other than when im using the brakes (with ESP off that is, it definitely does with ESP on). I have done a couple track days now as well. i dont have super sticky tires so i have to really feather the throttle through some corners as the car is really easy to spin. which is why i was puzzled that your car seems to stop you from rotating even with ESP off. but your right, maybe its an electrical issue and even though you have switched it off it may not be off.
I never sense the car braking other than when im using the brakes (with ESP off that is, it definitely does with ESP on). I have done a couple track days now as well. i dont have super sticky tires so i have to really feather the throttle through some corners as the car is really easy to spin. which is why i was puzzled that your car seems to stop you from rotating even with ESP off. but your right, maybe its an electrical issue and even though you have switched it off it may not be off.
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Guys, the system still kicks in when the car thinks it is going to spin. When you drive on the street, it appears to be "off" because it is less intrusive when you turn the ESP off, but trust me, it is still on. I can hear and feel the calipers activating in the turns and the Yellow ESP lights flashes (instead of being on all the time). We are working closely with a MB mechanic and he is trying to figure this out as well.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
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Guys, the system still kicks in when the car thinks it is going to spin. When you drive on the street, it appears to be "off" because it is less intrusive when you turn the ESP off, but trust me, it is still on. I can hear and feel the calipers activating in the turns and the Yellow ESP lights flashes (instead of being on all the time). We are working closely with a MB mechanic and he is trying to figure this out as well.
ESP has an limitation safety point that adapt in the ESP/BAS module & that point saved either in the ECU file,
which can reads the exact traction measurement through the wheel sensors,
i don’t recommend to play with an ESP system, cause its soo sensitive that contacted with the all electronically brake system.....
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Guys, the system still kicks in when the car thinks it is going to spin. When you drive on the street, it appears to be "off" because it is less intrusive when you turn the ESP off, but trust me, it is still on. I can hear and feel the calipers activating in the turns and the Yellow ESP lights flashes (instead of being on all the time). We are working closely with a MB mechanic and he is trying to figure this out as well.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
To drive fast in a hill climb you need to rotate the car a lot more than on an auto-x (I have been auto-xing for 13 years) and when you are applying more throttle after the apex and tracking out through the turn the car's sensors are reading the steering angle, throttle input, etc... and the car thinks it is out of control so it try's to apply the breaks on certain caliper to steady the car......which is very annoying and slows down exit speed dramatically.
Yes we have a roll bar in the C43 :-O It is a safety requirement for hill climbs. This is our project car that we are currently running stock (except tires). Hopefully new suspension will be on before the next event.
oh, and I have to do something about the exhaust.....the car is so damn quite.
Other than that, you're probably going to have to deal with coding in the ECU to try and separate some properties of the ESP from the braking system, which will get very hairy, very fast, and you may end up without ABS anyway.I'd love to see some pics of the roll bar install! And any of the other mods you've done.
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Depending on model year you can disconnect the steering angle sensor or the yaw/roll sensor. You'll lose ESP (and BAS on cars that have it) but you'll keep ABS.
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When "deactivating" ESP by pushing the ESP button all you are doing is eliminating the throttle cut, the brakes still get activated at speeds below 50 MPH. When you see the orange triangle flashing it is activating the brakes. Keep it above 50 MPH and ESP won't activate as the powers that be deemed it too dangerous.
Simple solution, keep it above 50 MPH during the hill climb
I believe what was posted about unplugging the steering angle sensor preventing ESP from initializing is true, but not sure about ABS.
Simple solution, keep it above 50 MPH during the hill climb
I believe what was posted about unplugging the steering angle sensor preventing ESP from initializing is true, but not sure about ABS.
