C43 Cabriolet with EC tune - 12.4 @ 110.5 mph
09-27-2017, 11:08 AM
#26
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I’m not saying AMR is better than Eurocraped..but AMR is far superior to Eurocrap!! Sorry your cheap tune doesn’t compare to the awesomeness of AMR
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09-27-2017, 11:09 AM
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as i said above, i do not currently have a tune so I have an unbiased opinion. i am coming from a w204 c250 so this c43 is much much faster and i am trying to enjoy it in stock form as long as i can. this also allows me to see what everyone else is doing with tunes so i can make an informed decision.
from what i can see, all the tunes are very similar in times. and once again is very driver and environment dependent. i personally want a ecu tune just to get my speed limiter removed (my car shipped with all season tires and is limited at 130mph).
i think the value needs to come from customer service as well. but either way, ill be lurking still.
i think we can confirm you are a good driver. thats for sure. and your tune is reputable.
from what i can see, all the tunes are very similar in times. and once again is very driver and environment dependent. i personally want a ecu tune just to get my speed limiter removed (my car shipped with all season tires and is limited at 130mph).
i think the value needs to come from customer service as well. but either way, ill be lurking still.
i think we can confirm you are a good driver. thats for sure. and your tune is reputable.
09-27-2017, 11:10 AM
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09-27-2017, 12:09 PM
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09-27-2017, 12:31 PM
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its not better but is Superior??? lol man u really need to get some sleep u sound tired
uv already showed whats getting you mad, u paid more and got less LOL, good luck shipping your stuff or even getting help with ur AMR garbage
AMR is so awesomethey charge u more then EC and give u less hahahaha ur a sad case my friend
uv already showed whats getting you mad, u paid more and got less LOL, good luck shipping your stuff or even getting help with ur AMR garbage
AMR is so awesomethey charge u more then EC and give u less hahahaha ur a sad case my friend
That comment is ignorant and does not make any sense. Do some research.
09-27-2017, 12:39 PM
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Just a thought- I heard there is fuel updates (ECU) that need to be done by the dealer on some VIN's. I called today and my car has no updates available. I wonder if this has anything to do with some people who have tunes and CEL's. Anyway, my car is clean and running nice.
09-27-2017, 01:23 PM
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Can someone please with OE stage 2 tune and downpipes go to the track and end this discussion. I would really like to see a comparison of the full ECU tunes with downpipes. The only one missing is OE stage 2 times. I just ordered downpipes an I want to make sure I ordering the right tune.
To be honest, I have the BMS Jb1 and if Terry at BMS was able to tweak it for downpipes, I wouldnt even look at ECU tunes. This JB1 has got to be the best bang for bucks.
To be honest, I have the BMS Jb1 and if Terry at BMS was able to tweak it for downpipes, I wouldnt even look at ECU tunes. This JB1 has got to be the best bang for bucks.
09-27-2017, 01:27 PM
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Can someone please with OE stage 2 tune and downpipes go to the track and end this discussion. I would really like to see a comparison of the full ECU tunes with downpipes. The only one missing is OE stage 2 times. I just ordered downpipes an I want to make sure I ordering the right tune.
To be honest, I have the BMS Jb1 and if Terry at BMS was able to tweak it for downpipes, I wouldnt even look at ECU tunes. This JB1 has got to be the best bang for bucks.
To be honest, I have the BMS Jb1 and if Terry at BMS was able to tweak it for downpipes, I wouldnt even look at ECU tunes. This JB1 has got to be the best bang for bucks.
OE is a fast fast tune.. doesn't get enough credit also.
09-27-2017, 04:01 PM
#37
What costs more stupid ....EC tune or AMR tune
if anyone on here is ignorant its you, u didnt know the difference between the stage 1 and stage 2 stupid
so listen here stupid, ur AMR loser friends paid more then EC guys did , and got less to show for it , they got their tail between their legs and cant show numbers for all their talk, your AMR is advertising less performance numbers fyi so dont come here and tell me they doing better, so u do ur research and get your numbers right , stupid
if anyone on here is ignorant its you, u didnt know the difference between the stage 1 and stage 2 stupid
so listen here stupid, ur AMR loser friends paid more then EC guys did , and got less to show for it , they got their tail between their legs and cant show numbers for all their talk, your AMR is advertising less performance numbers fyi so dont come here and tell me they doing better, so u do ur research and get your numbers right , stupid
Why don't you take an English class and edit your spelling and grammar before you try and question someone's intelligence.
There is friendly banter between all the tune client's and obviously favoritism for certain brands, however, you trying to attack people's age, mental stability and furthermore does not fly here.
If you would like to continue speaking the way you do, I would highly recommend heading to the project you came from and hanging out on the Honda forums. I am sure there is a civic flash you can give your opinions on.
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09-27-2017, 06:12 PM
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You know what's funny, that C63 owners do not argue like this which tune is better. I think that most C43 buyers are really former Civic owners who just started making money. It's ridiculous 
Shame on you 
Shame on you
09-27-2017, 06:24 PM
#40
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Most AMR tuned stage 1 cars that you are comparing are actually C450 runing in warm weather.. the c43 has better gearing because of the 9speed.. even the C450 with the AMR tunes are faster than c43 with Eurogarbage..
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09-27-2017, 06:39 PM
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c450 with AMR tune is slower then C43 with AMR tune LOL u just stated it had better gearing so the statment you made just makes u look bad.. quickly delete it before AMR takes the money they payin you to be their internet thug back
i think that clam chowder is getting to your head , seems like u'v got food poising and its effecting ur brain
and your incorrect , re check your facts .... i understand the font might be small on those slips, and it might be hard for you to read , go gets those eyes checked
so the statment you made just makes u look bad.. quickly delete it before AMR takes the money they payin you to be their internet thug back i think that clam chowder is getting to your head , seems like u'v got food poising and its effecting ur brain
and your incorrect , re check your facts .... i understand the font might be small on those slips, and it might be hard for you to read , go gets those eyes checked
09-27-2017, 06:54 PM
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It's enough guys. My post was meant to display that all the tunes are great and EC is putting down a competitive product.
Give respect where it's due, regardless of where you spent your money.
Give respect where it's due, regardless of where you spent your money.
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09-27-2017, 10:05 PM
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Eurocharged Tune with Video
I haven't been active on this thread but have seen some AMR and OE trap speeds. To my knowledge, AMR has produced the fastest C450/43 to date with that 118mph trap speed.
That was a stage 2 tune, with aftermarket downpipes on a stock cat-back exhaust. That is quick.
A gentleman from Canada had posted his Stage 1 OE tune on his c400 that showed an improvement from 105 (stock mph trap speed at the same track) to 116-117 I believe after the tune. I can dig up the thread at another time.
Those are two proven times from OE and AMR. I don't know weather conditions but to the say the least, those trap speeds are impressive.
A few months ago there was a 11.8 Quarter mile run from what I have gathered is a Eurocharged car (based on a thread created months ago about an EC car running 11.8). The mod list included dowpipes, intake, a 50 shot of nitrous and the Eurocharged tune. The video is below.
In the comment section of that same video, the uploader commented that the run included the 50 wet shot of Nitrous and indicates what he trapped. This would make sense, as Eurocharged seems to trap around 110-112, with the 50 shot taking the trap speed up to 116 mph or so.
Again, I don't know weather conditions, but from seeing all data and taking it as words on a page...it does seem OE and AMR have produced the fastest mph trap speeds.
Enjoying this thread though, keep up the banter folks, as we all know, numbers do not lie.
Fwiw, to me it seems the C450/43 traps around 108 stock. I believe that number is safe to say. Roughly 100 whp gains would be needed to see 118 trap speeds. AMR and OE claim around the same whp gains, I believe Eurocharged doesn't claim such numbers. AMR and OE have backed up those claims, and so has Eurocharged (based on their claimed gains). Frankly, numbers claimed don't matter though, only trap speeds do.
One company could be using a dynojet the other a mustang dyno (google to see the difference). The gentleman who posted the slip of his AMR tune also showed a dyno reading of 420 whp and 510 wtq. Baseline dynos of c450/43 at AMR are around 300 whp if I remember correctly. That's a 120 whp difference, and is reflected in trap speed.
Correct me if I am wrong but on the EC site, they say roughly 50 whp increase post tune on their dyno (cost of $1200), that is 340 whp to ~390. That would probably put the EC tune around 112-113 mph with a good launch and the right weather. 108 trap speed plus 50 or so whp would see around 112-113 traps, add another 50 crank or 40 or so wheel horsepower from a 50 shot of nitrous and boom, 116.
As mentioned previously, downpipes to my knowledge do open up the exhaust flow but I have yet to see a reputable chart showing the actual wheel horsepower gains. From what I have read based on those who have the units, the car gets much louder, and I further assume the gains aren't that substantial since we have a relatively free flowing exhaust system from the factory. At the end of the day a c400 sounds a bit different than a c450 from the factory and that is probably due to a more free flowing turbo-back system to give the cars a "racing" sound. Some guys on here have said 30whp gains with downpipes and a tune, but I haven't seen any charts, just faulty butt dynos.
That was a stage 2 tune, with aftermarket downpipes on a stock cat-back exhaust. That is quick.
A gentleman from Canada had posted his Stage 1 OE tune on his c400 that showed an improvement from 105 (stock mph trap speed at the same track) to 116-117 I believe after the tune. I can dig up the thread at another time.
Those are two proven times from OE and AMR. I don't know weather conditions but to the say the least, those trap speeds are impressive.
A few months ago there was a 11.8 Quarter mile run from what I have gathered is a Eurocharged car (based on a thread created months ago about an EC car running 11.8). The mod list included dowpipes, intake, a 50 shot of nitrous and the Eurocharged tune. The video is below.
In the comment section of that same video, the uploader commented that the run included the 50 wet shot of Nitrous and indicates what he trapped. This would make sense, as Eurocharged seems to trap around 110-112, with the 50 shot taking the trap speed up to 116 mph or so.
Again, I don't know weather conditions, but from seeing all data and taking it as words on a page...it does seem OE and AMR have produced the fastest mph trap speeds.
Enjoying this thread though, keep up the banter folks, as we all know, numbers do not lie.
Fwiw, to me it seems the C450/43 traps around 108 stock. I believe that number is safe to say. Roughly 100 whp gains would be needed to see 118 trap speeds. AMR and OE claim around the same whp gains, I believe Eurocharged doesn't claim such numbers. AMR and OE have backed up those claims, and so has Eurocharged (based on their claimed gains). Frankly, numbers claimed don't matter though, only trap speeds do.
One company could be using a dynojet the other a mustang dyno (google to see the difference). The gentleman who posted the slip of his AMR tune also showed a dyno reading of 420 whp and 510 wtq. Baseline dynos of c450/43 at AMR are around 300 whp if I remember correctly. That's a 120 whp difference, and is reflected in trap speed.
Correct me if I am wrong but on the EC site, they say roughly 50 whp increase post tune on their dyno (cost of $1200), that is 340 whp to ~390. That would probably put the EC tune around 112-113 mph with a good launch and the right weather. 108 trap speed plus 50 or so whp would see around 112-113 traps, add another 50 crank or 40 or so wheel horsepower from a 50 shot of nitrous and boom, 116.
As mentioned previously, downpipes to my knowledge do open up the exhaust flow but I have yet to see a reputable chart showing the actual wheel horsepower gains. From what I have read based on those who have the units, the car gets much louder, and I further assume the gains aren't that substantial since we have a relatively free flowing exhaust system from the factory. At the end of the day a c400 sounds a bit different than a c450 from the factory and that is probably due to a more free flowing turbo-back system to give the cars a "racing" sound. Some guys on here have said 30whp gains with downpipes and a tune, but I haven't seen any charts, just faulty butt dynos.
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09-28-2017, 01:54 AM
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I haven't been active on this thread but have seen some AMR and OE trap speeds. To my knowledge, AMR has produced the fastest C450/43 to date with that 118mph trap speed.
That was a stage 2 tune, with aftermarket downpipes on a stock cat-back exhaust. That is quick.
A gentleman from Canada had posted his Stage 1 OE tune on his c400 that showed an improvement from 105 (stock mph trap speed at the same track) to 116-117 I believe after the tune. I can dig up the thread at another time.
Those are two proven times from OE and AMR. I don't know weather conditions but to the say the least, those trap speeds are impressive.
A few months ago there was a 11.8 Quarter mile run from what I have gathered is a Eurocharged car (based on a thread created months ago about an EC car running 11.8). The mod list included dowpipes, intake, a 50 shot of nitrous and the Eurocharged tune. The video is below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHDy_vlKsY0
In the comment section of that same video, the uploader commented that the run included the 50 wet shot of Nitrous and indicates what he trapped. This would make sense, as Eurocharged seems to trap around 110-112, with the 50 shot taking the trap speed up to 116 mph or so.
Again, I don't know weather conditions, but from seeing all data and taking it as words on a page...it does seem OE and AMR have produced the fastest mph trap speeds.
Enjoying this thread though, keep up the banter folks, as we all know, numbers do not lie.
Fwiw, to me it seems the C450/43 traps around 108 stock. I believe that number is safe to say. Roughly 100 whp gains would be needed to see 118 trap speeds. AMR and OE claim around the same whp gains, I believe Eurocharged doesn't claim such numbers. AMR and OE have backed up those claims, and so has Eurocharged (based on their claimed gains). Frankly, numbers claimed don't matter though, only trap speeds do.
One company could be using a dynojet the other a mustang dyno (google to see the difference). The gentleman who posted the slip of his AMR tune also showed a dyno reading of 420 whp and 510 wtq. Baseline dynos of c450/43 at AMR are around 300 whp if I remember correctly. That's a 120 whp difference, and is reflected in trap speed.
Correct me if I am wrong but on the EC site, they say roughly 50 whp increase post tune on their dyno (cost of $1200), that is 340 whp to ~390. That would probably put the EC tune around 112-113 mph with a good launch and the right weather. 108 trap speed plus 50 or so whp would see around 112-113 traps, add another 50 crank or 40 or so wheel horsepower from a 50 shot of nitrous and boom, 116.
As mentioned previously, downpipes to my knowledge do open up the exhaust flow but I have yet to see a reputable chart showing the actual wheel horsepower gains. From what I have read based on those who have the units, the car gets much louder, and I further assume the gains aren't that substantial since we have a relatively free flowing exhaust system from the factory. At the end of the day a c400 sounds a bit different than a c450 from the factory and that is probably due to a more free flowing turbo-back system to give the cars a "racing" sound. Some guys on here have said 30whp gains with downpipes and a tune, but I haven't seen any charts, just faulty butt dynos.
That was a stage 2 tune, with aftermarket downpipes on a stock cat-back exhaust. That is quick.
A gentleman from Canada had posted his Stage 1 OE tune on his c400 that showed an improvement from 105 (stock mph trap speed at the same track) to 116-117 I believe after the tune. I can dig up the thread at another time.
Those are two proven times from OE and AMR. I don't know weather conditions but to the say the least, those trap speeds are impressive.
A few months ago there was a 11.8 Quarter mile run from what I have gathered is a Eurocharged car (based on a thread created months ago about an EC car running 11.8). The mod list included dowpipes, intake, a 50 shot of nitrous and the Eurocharged tune. The video is below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHDy_vlKsY0
In the comment section of that same video, the uploader commented that the run included the 50 wet shot of Nitrous and indicates what he trapped. This would make sense, as Eurocharged seems to trap around 110-112, with the 50 shot taking the trap speed up to 116 mph or so.
Again, I don't know weather conditions, but from seeing all data and taking it as words on a page...it does seem OE and AMR have produced the fastest mph trap speeds.
Enjoying this thread though, keep up the banter folks, as we all know, numbers do not lie.
Fwiw, to me it seems the C450/43 traps around 108 stock. I believe that number is safe to say. Roughly 100 whp gains would be needed to see 118 trap speeds. AMR and OE claim around the same whp gains, I believe Eurocharged doesn't claim such numbers. AMR and OE have backed up those claims, and so has Eurocharged (based on their claimed gains). Frankly, numbers claimed don't matter though, only trap speeds do.
One company could be using a dynojet the other a mustang dyno (google to see the difference). The gentleman who posted the slip of his AMR tune also showed a dyno reading of 420 whp and 510 wtq. Baseline dynos of c450/43 at AMR are around 300 whp if I remember correctly. That's a 120 whp difference, and is reflected in trap speed.
Correct me if I am wrong but on the EC site, they say roughly 50 whp increase post tune on their dyno (cost of $1200), that is 340 whp to ~390. That would probably put the EC tune around 112-113 mph with a good launch and the right weather. 108 trap speed plus 50 or so whp would see around 112-113 traps, add another 50 crank or 40 or so wheel horsepower from a 50 shot of nitrous and boom, 116.
As mentioned previously, downpipes to my knowledge do open up the exhaust flow but I have yet to see a reputable chart showing the actual wheel horsepower gains. From what I have read based on those who have the units, the car gets much louder, and I further assume the gains aren't that substantial since we have a relatively free flowing exhaust system from the factory. At the end of the day a c400 sounds a bit different than a c450 from the factory and that is probably due to a more free flowing turbo-back system to give the cars a "racing" sound. Some guys on here have said 30whp gains with downpipes and a tune, but I haven't seen any charts, just faulty butt dynos.
Thanks for the detailed post you described everything I wanted to say to a tee. I am just lazy to type all that.
I am the Owner of the 118mph AMR C450. While I agree with you on almost everything, the point where you mentioned the Downpipes are not completely true.
Catless Downpipes will yield a minimum of +10 whp with a tune over just a tune with stock downpipes.
There are people who have dyno their cars without catless downpipes and put down 405 whp on AMR's dyno. Mine did 425 whp so that's a +20 whp. Now obviously it wasn't the same car but I never dynoed my car with stock (catted downpipes) so I can't tell you for sure.
