What's up with all these tuners?
02-13-2018, 07:33 PM
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02-13-2018, 07:34 PM
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Car that went in today didn't run a baseline dyno stock. It ran with AMR and then EC, with massive differences in power output.. AMR being the **** slow version.
What does a baseline of another car have to do with the car today? lol
What does a baseline of another car have to do with the car today? lol
02-13-2018, 07:48 PM
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And out of curiosity how do you know all this information about a car from Orlando Florida that was on Facebook for maybe 20 minutes? You must have an inside scoop on everything Eurocharged? Lol
02-13-2018, 08:00 PM
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I msgd him to ask him what he made, out of curiosity. I still don't have proof - apparently driving home but said he'll send later on. Maybe he's on the forums and can publish it himself.. I'll update the thread when/if I get it.
02-13-2018, 08:27 PM
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so if you go to most of the tuners websites they have a baseline for the c450/c43 and it's no where close to what baseline numbers should be for a 362/384 car.
Eurochatged and AMR show baseline numbers that aren't even close to what Mercedes has rated. So how can you trust their after numbers?
This goes for other tuners too so not just singling out one or two tuners
Eurochatged and AMR show baseline numbers that aren't even close to what Mercedes has rated. So how can you trust their after numbers?
This goes for other tuners too so not just singling out one or two tuners
Then they mixed up the torque and hp numbers on their own marketing material leading people to believe it would make 466hp over 362hp. When actually its making 442hp up from 415hp (according to their own graph).
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02-13-2018, 08:59 PM
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02-13-2018, 10:37 PM
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Blah blah blah blah blah
All these great dyno numbers from all these different updated versions of AMR and EC and yet the fastest [1/4 mile] C450/43 yet is running a $300 piggyback tune.
I'll at least somewhat pay attention to dyne's if they are compared 'apples to apples' but seems everyone is going about it the 'apples to oranges' way...
Lets see some track numbers.
All these great dyno numbers from all these different updated versions of AMR and EC and yet the fastest [1/4 mile] C450/43 yet is running a $300 piggyback tune.
I'll at least somewhat pay attention to dyne's if they are compared 'apples to apples' but seems everyone is going about it the 'apples to oranges' way...
Lets see some track numbers.
02-13-2018, 10:57 PM
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Blah blah blah blah blah
All these great dyno numbers from all these different updated versions of AMR and EC and yet the fastest [1/4 mile] C450/43 yet is running a $300 piggyback tune.
I'll at least somewhat pay attention to dyne's if they are compared 'apples to apples' but seems everyone is going about it the 'apples to oranges' way...
Lets see some track numbers.
All these great dyno numbers from all these different updated versions of AMR and EC and yet the fastest [1/4 mile] C450/43 yet is running a $300 piggyback tune.
I'll at least somewhat pay attention to dyne's if they are compared 'apples to apples' but seems everyone is going about it the 'apples to oranges' way...
Lets see some track numbers.
02-13-2018, 11:08 PM
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AMR and EC? What about Dinan? All of their Dynos only show crank hp. And they rated the C43 at 415hp stock at the crank!
Then they mixed up the torque and hp numbers on their own marketing material leading people to believe it would make 466hp over 362hp. When actually its making 442hp up from 415hp (according to their own graph).
Then they mixed up the torque and hp numbers on their own marketing material leading people to believe it would make 466hp over 362hp. When actually its making 442hp up from 415hp (according to their own graph).
Measured stock HP 387 and tuned HP is 442.
Measured stock Torque 415 and tuned Torque is 466.
I don't have an opinion on Dinan Elite versus any other tune, just clarifying what is wrong with the marketing they put out.
The stock measured values seem in the ball park, as the actual measured numbers are slightly larger than Mercedes claimed values..
02-14-2018, 12:27 AM
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02-14-2018, 10:24 AM
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From the chart I think it is clear that for measured values of HP and Torque the numbers are transposed with respect to the labeling in the sentence. The graph appears to match the below values.
Measured stock HP 387 and tuned HP is 442.
Measured stock Torque 415 and tuned Torque is 466.
I don't have an opinion on Dinan Elite versus any other tune, just clarifying what is wrong with the marketing they put out.
The stock measured values seem in the ball park, as the actual measured numbers are slightly larger than Mercedes claimed values..
Measured stock HP 387 and tuned HP is 442.
Measured stock Torque 415 and tuned Torque is 466.
I don't have an opinion on Dinan Elite versus any other tune, just clarifying what is wrong with the marketing they put out.
The stock measured values seem in the ball park, as the actual measured numbers are slightly larger than Mercedes claimed values..
That Dinnan stock horsepower number seems to concur with others who have dynoed stock at the crank such as Renntech. But that would be a parasitic loss of 87hp through the drive according to the 300 rwhp that AMR supporters on this thread claim. That seems like an awful lot of loss to me, it should be at least 322 whp- all wheel drive dynos read differently also. I had a 4wd truck dyno tuned on a 4 wheel Mustang dyno and the shop owner told me that the actual numbers at the wheel, were about 15% higher due to the 4wd dyno configuration readings. Its very difficult to get an accurate reading for two different axles at the same time- especially with the set up on awd cars; 69 rear 31 front etc...
It has always been difficult to gauge actual HP at the wheel on AWD and 4WD vehicles- especially when the real wheel horsepower and torque standard was set on a 2 wheel drive dyno- like Dynojet Research.
