AMG 6.3 Engine Pictures and Details
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AMG 6.3 Engine Pictures and Details
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Nothing states that it will make it into a c series. That much power with the current AMG C55 frame, brakes, tires and suspension is nuts. If they were to do it, the c63 would be a $80K + sedan. Not sure that is marketing downstream.
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anything is possible in the future!
10 yrs ago...they had C36....now they have C55...
i wouldnt be surprised they woudl come out with C63 in the future..
but hopefully not yet
but probably my car will be sold before anything happens (hopefully)
10 yrs ago...they had C36....now they have C55...
i wouldnt be surprised they woudl come out with C63 in the future..
but hopefully not yet
but probably my car will be sold before anything happens (hopefully)
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Very interesting, that AMG went NA route.
The engine is not that much different from 119 series back from 80's.
6208 ccs of displacement - (6.3L moniker is for marketing and tax reasons), 4 -vales, 11.3:1 CR, variable cam timing on both cams, 510HP, 466 ft.lbs. of TQ.
Should fit W203, my guess it is aimed at W204.
Good numbers, but with most NA aspirated motors from other makers are close or over 100HP per liter.
Turbo version is promised and likely to be the hot ticket.
The engine is not that much different from 119 series back from 80's.
6208 ccs of displacement - (6.3L moniker is for marketing and tax reasons), 4 -vales, 11.3:1 CR, variable cam timing on both cams, 510HP, 466 ft.lbs. of TQ.
Should fit W203, my guess it is aimed at W204.
Good numbers, but with most NA aspirated motors from other makers are close or over 100HP per liter.
Turbo version is promised and likely to be the hot ticket.
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i gotta go against the grain and say that the new 6.3 liter amg engine doesnt sound so high tech...
4 valves, dohc, vvt....correct me if im wrong but I think the C36 had all those features...plus almost every car manufacturer has been building engines like that for a long time now
no variable lift?
the only thing i saw that was somewhat promising was variable cams. can somebody explain if that feature is the same as "vario-cam" on the new 997?
i bet it took alot of effort to pack 6.3 liters into a V-8...dont the cylinder walls get thinner as you increase the liters? or am i mistaken? If the engine proves reliable...then ill be ready to say its better than the M5 engine! the output is certainly better already
edit: but that doesnt mean I wouldnt want the next amg cars...the numbers are still very impressive...this will all probably be mated with the 7 speed, better gearing (bmw style) and wider wheels....if they add a LSD...then nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about AMG, except for no manual
dont get me wrong here...i think the engine is great! it just doesnt sound ground breaking...but im sure it will still whoop M's ***, just like our SOHC 3valve engines have been doing these recent years...and i mean that :p
4 valves, dohc, vvt....correct me if im wrong but I think the C36 had all those features...plus almost every car manufacturer has been building engines like that for a long time now
no variable lift?
the only thing i saw that was somewhat promising was variable cams. can somebody explain if that feature is the same as "vario-cam" on the new 997?
i bet it took alot of effort to pack 6.3 liters into a V-8...dont the cylinder walls get thinner as you increase the liters? or am i mistaken? If the engine proves reliable...then ill be ready to say its better than the M5 engine! the output is certainly better already
edit: but that doesnt mean I wouldnt want the next amg cars...the numbers are still very impressive...this will all probably be mated with the 7 speed, better gearing (bmw style) and wider wheels....if they add a LSD...then nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about AMG, except for no manual
dont get me wrong here...i think the engine is great! it just doesnt sound ground breaking...but im sure it will still whoop M's ***, just like our SOHC 3valve engines have been doing these recent years...and i mean that :p
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MB made 4-valve motors before. The current 3-valve M112 and 113 engines were designed as cost cutting and emission cutting measure.
Also, this 6.3L engine is AMG only. We still have not seen what MB is going to make.
Also, this 6.3L engine is AMG only. We still have not seen what MB is going to make.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ evosport
MB made 4-valve motors before. The current 3-valve M112 and 113 engines were designed as cost cutting and emission cutting measure.
Also, this 6.3L engine is AMG only. We still have not seen what MB is going to make.
Also, this 6.3L engine is AMG only. We still have not seen what MB is going to make.
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Originally Posted by IdriveFast
i gotta go against the grain and say that the new 6.3 liter amg engine doesnt sound so high tech...
4 valves, dohc, vvt....correct me if im wrong but I think the C36 had all those features...plus almost every car manufacturer has been building engines like that for a long time now
no variable lift?
the only thing i saw that was somewhat promising was variable cams. can somebody explain if that feature is the same as "vario-cam" on the new 997?
i bet it took alot of effort to pack 6.3 liters into a V-8...dont the cylinder walls get thinner as you increase the liters? or am i mistaken? If the engine proves reliable...then ill be ready to say its better than the M5 engine! the output is certainly better already
edit: but that doesnt mean I wouldnt want the next amg cars...the numbers are still very impressive...this will all probably be mated with the 7 speed, better gearing (bmw style) and wider wheels....if they add a LSD...then nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about AMG, except for no manual
4 valves, dohc, vvt....correct me if im wrong but I think the C36 had all those features...plus almost every car manufacturer has been building engines like that for a long time now
no variable lift?
the only thing i saw that was somewhat promising was variable cams. can somebody explain if that feature is the same as "vario-cam" on the new 997?
i bet it took alot of effort to pack 6.3 liters into a V-8...dont the cylinder walls get thinner as you increase the liters? or am i mistaken? If the engine proves reliable...then ill be ready to say its better than the M5 engine! the output is certainly better already
edit: but that doesnt mean I wouldnt want the next amg cars...the numbers are still very impressive...this will all probably be mated with the 7 speed, better gearing (bmw style) and wider wheels....if they add a LSD...then nobody would ever be able to say anything bad about AMG, except for no manual
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breaking the 100HP/Liter mark on bigger displacement large motors is alot harder than on the smaller motors so its not as easy as it seems like on a honda. BMW usually breaks the 100HP/Liter mark but i have yet to see AMG do it to any of their cars to my knowledge
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Originally Posted by Jon200
I agree with you, I am suprised they haven't gone to try break the 1L/100bhp barrier, I would love to see some sort of electronic differential and a nice 7 speed gearbox with paddle shift, thats jut me
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05 C55, BMWX 3.0, Subaru Forester (Shaggin Wagon)
I personally don't see anything all that terrific about the new 7Gtronic, having had it in my 05 CLK500. the idea sounds great....7 speeds, but just to calm things down I almost always ran it in comfort mode.
It felt like it was constantly shifting, even when not prompted to do so. the other thing was that it was touted to reduce gas consumption. While that may be true, I never saw it. 18 mpg and that's it.
If Merc would take their cue from BMW and apply variable valving to these big V8's, wow!
The other thing is where.......how.... are they going to sandwich that 6.3 liter V8 into an already cramped engine compartment as in the C55? Even with a new body design? Are the going to take the CL front and bolt it onto the C-Class?
I am to understand that for 06 the C55 will not be receiving the 7Gtronic due to space limitations. To me that's a good thing. To me a 6 speed auto-semi-auto would be better not so shifty....especially on its own....
It felt like it was constantly shifting, even when not prompted to do so. the other thing was that it was touted to reduce gas consumption. While that may be true, I never saw it. 18 mpg and that's it.
If Merc would take their cue from BMW and apply variable valving to these big V8's, wow!
The other thing is where.......how.... are they going to sandwich that 6.3 liter V8 into an already cramped engine compartment as in the C55? Even with a new body design? Are the going to take the CL front and bolt it onto the C-Class?
I am to understand that for 06 the C55 will not be receiving the 7Gtronic due to space limitations. To me that's a good thing. To me a 6 speed auto-semi-auto would be better not so shifty....especially on its own....
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Originally Posted by FrankW
maybe it's just me, but 1L/100bhp usually ends up with high revving but lower torque motor. few example off the top of my head are the S2k has 240bhp but only 160lb/ft tq and the e46 M3 has 333bhp but only 260 something torque. And the 360 Modena which had 400hp but a lot less torque as well.
I am guessing this 6.3L will be used for years to come and will have plenty of room for further development incase they want to up the power
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That has been the case in the past because high reving engine were only possible on smaller displacement motor, hance the low torque rating. All the low torque car you mentioned has relatively small displacement (2.0, 3.2, 3.6)Torque is about displacement on a N/A motor. Today's technology allows them to make high reving big displacent motor. So, torque won't be a problem. A good example is the new M5 motor.
Originally Posted by FrankW
maybe it's just me, but 1L/100bhp usually ends up with high revving but lower torque motor. few example off the top of my head are the S2k has 240bhp but only 160lb/ft tq and the e46 M3 has 333bhp but only 260 something torque. And the 360 Modena which had 400hp but a lot less torque as well.
