IdriveFast

I dont have the magazine with me, but in the 2005 november road and track, there is an article about the E90 M3. The article says it will be 425hp to compete with the Audi 420hp RS4 and the Mercedes 450hp C63.

450 is great! because 400hp out of a 6.3 liter V8 = WASTE OF SPACE OF WEIGHT!! 450hp is definetly better.

Vader13

omg YESSSSSS

BenzoAMGpower

if its a high reving V8, im down for it... Procharger (centrifugal) supercharger + high revving V8 = everyone will be OWNED!!

C43AMG

I told everybody back in August that a C63 was coming to town and everybody said I was full of it.It is a necessity to combat the new M3 coming out.

RawAMGpower

If that's true I wonder what would need to be done to have it output 510hp? Either way even with just 450hp it might be king of the sedans instead of the E-class.

SolidGranite

Not a snowball's chance in hell... MB would never make their entry-level AMG any faster than the E. The current E blows the doors off the C and that will be the case with the 63.

AWDman

i saw that article as well.

as with the v8 sc motor used in e55/sl55 you can easily choke it down and reduce power from 510 to 450hp for differing applications.

however, the auto tranny will suck hp so an e90 m3 with smg may be faster. it will certainly be a better car to go racing (racing for me- road not drag). i wish they were making a 4 dr...........

agree the e amg will trump the c amg no marketing question there.

but we'll see in due course.......let the hp wars rage....

IdriveFast

the main point of my post was to show that it was be 450hp, not only 420 or even a mere 400.

and for the record, if the hp is only 400 or 420, it will NOT be 6.3 liters. it might still recieve that designation. but it will NOT actually be 6.3 liters.

mark my words

edit: i have never seen you post regarding this. this isnt an attack on you. just speaking my mind

C43AMG

Here it is : https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...37#post1258837

IdriveFast

well, im not trying to step on your toes or anything. i never doubted you posted it. the C63 was discussed many times by others also.

I just thought the 450hp was worth posting because i had not seen anybody talk about a 450hp C63 before.

C43AMG

Good point , no offense taken.I think most people didn't think AMG would "de-tune" that motor - hence giving it the same horsepower as the E class.

PC Valkyrie

IF the new 6.2L V8 makes it into an upcoming C-AMG car, it will definitely be "detuned" (or whatever you call it) to make LESS than the 510 HP it makes in the upcoming ML63. 400-450HP sounds about right and properly competes with other upcoming cars in the class (Audi RS4, BMW M3, etc).

If you read magazines, there are stories about the new C-AMG car having a retuned 5.5L V8 and other stories about stuffing the 6.2L V8 into it. All speculation with no solid details.

Time will tell. We now know that the upcoming S550 will come with a new 4-valve 5.5L V8 which will make about 380HP. Maybe AMG will tweak that new engine to make over 400HP to put into the new C-AMG? Anything is possible.

rcalcaide

during 98-02, That ALL AMG's had the same motor? the 5.5 litre? The european W202, the CLK, the E, The S, The CL, The ML, The G...

Now AMG has developed a completely "in house" motor. The 6.3. Which shares no parts with any other MB motor. I believe AMG will only use this motor now for all its productions. be it normally aspirated, turbo charged, de-tuned, etc... It will also be cheaper for them and more streamlined for production purposes.

The new C class AMG will have the 6.3. will it be detuned? of course. will it lead its class in hp? yes. 420 to 450hp? I would hope so. Look at the competition? european or domestic. THE SRT division for Dailmer has 420hp for most of their vehicles. IN the next 12 to 18 months, we'll know for sure.


R

SolidGranite

Well said.

Question: Will the 7-Speed be going in these new AMGs?

RawAMGpower

Okay well they made the E55 faster then the S55. However, they gave the E55 less power then the S55. If the C63 and E63 have the exact same engines it could be possible even if the C63 is de-tuned. If you go by the current weight of each car, and assume they will stay that weight, the C weighing 3540lbs and the E weighing 4087lbs and then divide it by the power of each 450hp for the C and 510hp for the E the C has a better power to weight ratio 7.8 vs 8.0. Also it could be possible that the E could have less then 510hp, given if that's the max power the 63 engine can put out right now, because the 510hp could be in the S-class so the E might have between 490-500hp. Also, what if MBUSA increases the price of the C63 by like 10K or more over the current C55. Is it that unreasonable to think that it might "stock" be as fast or slightly faster then the E63 even if they aren't the same power rating.

AWDman

if you build one engine and detune it for different applications that may work - in that the economies of scale will allow use in a c class amg without a hefty price increase.


i often wonder why a clk55 amg has to cost that much more than a c55 amg......tooling costs to recover from the lower volume clk? or simply driven by what the market will pay?

RawAMGpower

Well, the CLK55 does come with better brakes. :p

C43AMG

When we had our AMG Meet at MBUSA HQ ( October 8th ) Rob Allan told me the only problem with the C63 would be the cost.He said " How many people want to spend 60k on a C-class?" I said "I don't know, but my C43 was $54k when new" , to which he responded - "Yeah , and all the dealerships that had them had a hard time moving them". Just a FWIW.

SolidGranite

Very well said and thought out as opposed to my comments. However, I still don't see it happening but at the same time will say it's not totally inconceivable using your logic.

The M3 is faster than the M5 isn't it? But I bet over 90mph, the M5 will trounce the M3. Probably the same case in this scenario...

AWDman

lol....u would have to fit the clk with f1 style discs- you know the carbon fiber ones that take 3 months to make and cost $10,000 per.

dragonAMG

I agree... that would just be stupid. Why would someone buy a heavier e55 with 60 hp more for an additonal 20k? Who knows... they'll probably do it, I just think it would not be wise from a marketing perspective.

RawAMGpower

Well not everyone that buys a AMG is looking to track it. They would buy the E for the same reason they would buy a S55 over a E55. A E350 over a C350. Some people just want the bigger car that also has more options available on it. On top of which if the new E63 has a higher HP rating they will buy it because of that too. Some people just look at HP rating and think its faster cause it has more. Only the true AMG enthusiast and people on this forum will know the difference.

SolidGranite

I just wanted to point out this is easily one of the best threads in the forum since I joined up. Lets keep it up...

Fikse

WRONG.... yes they would, and yes they have.....

the 2002 C32 was quicker than the 2002 E55 and S55.....

I raced both in my C32 and won.....

KRob3

This is great - this could be a discussion about sports, politics, religion, anything that people are fanatical about!!!

We are truly diehards to be spending our time wondering what kind of engine MB will put in their next car, who they will market it to, and who would buy it. I love it!!!