C55->M3 in 2006
09-02-2005, 01:25 AM
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C55AMG W203; 330i E90
C55->M3 in 2006
How many here will move to M3 400hp as soon as it is ready to order ?
I think I will , as because upgrade to C63 will be long and cost more
I think I will , as because upgrade to C63 will be long and cost more
09-02-2005, 02:55 AM
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09-02-2005, 07:50 AM
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I wouldn't... wait until the 2nd or even 3rd year to make sure all the bugs are out. The E46 m3 still has problems in it's 4th year. And by all means, dont get SMG, I speak from experience!
09-02-2005, 08:35 AM
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C55AMG W203; 330i E90
Originally Posted by JamE55
How did you know that the upgrade to C63 will be long and cost more?? Do you have insider news or something?
1. Historically, C-Class W204 (if this is what we like to call it) will launch
12 months after launch of S-Class. (and, S-Class technology will also be implemented to Mb's bread and butter C-Class !). This means the new C will be ready to order ~ Q1 2007. By that time, E90 will be almost two year old. And, I am doubt E46 M3 will get any decent sales in 2006. It is reasonable to assume M3 will launch in Q2 2006. Looking back, C32 was quite late since new launch of W203 - at least this is our case locally.
2. About price, that is pretty relative from places to places. We locally MB dealer has a big markup on AMG models. This is why C55 costs 15-20K more than the M3 E46. I would think C63 will be priced at least the same as C55 or even slightly higher.
3. Do we know launch dates of any 63 on any models ? No.
4. Do you think MB will place 63 engines into C class before the E, CLS, SL to pissss off the richer owners? No.
Get my sense of humour?
09-02-2005, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
No. No insider information, purely based on following facts:-
1. Historically, C-Class W204 (if this is what we like to call it) will launch
12 months after launch of S-Class. (and, S-Class technology will also be implemented to Mb's bread and butter C-Class !). This means the new C will be ready to order ~ Q1 2007. By that time, E90 will be almost two year old. And, I am doubt E46 M3 will get any decent sales in 2006. It is reasonable to assume M3 will launch in Q2 2006. Looking back, C32 was quite late since new launch of W203 - at least this is our case locally.
2. About price, that is pretty relative from places to places. We locally MB dealer has a big markup on AMG models. This is why C55 costs 15-20K more than the M3 E46. I would think C63 will be priced at least the same as C55 or even slightly higher.
3. Do we know launch dates of any 63 on any models ? No.
4. Do you think MB will place 63 engines into C class before the E, CLS, SL to pissss off the richer owners? No.
Get my sense of humour?
1. Historically, C-Class W204 (if this is what we like to call it) will launch
12 months after launch of S-Class. (and, S-Class technology will also be implemented to Mb's bread and butter C-Class !). This means the new C will be ready to order ~ Q1 2007. By that time, E90 will be almost two year old. And, I am doubt E46 M3 will get any decent sales in 2006. It is reasonable to assume M3 will launch in Q2 2006. Looking back, C32 was quite late since new launch of W203 - at least this is our case locally.
2. About price, that is pretty relative from places to places. We locally MB dealer has a big markup on AMG models. This is why C55 costs 15-20K more than the M3 E46. I would think C63 will be priced at least the same as C55 or even slightly higher.
3. Do we know launch dates of any 63 on any models ? No.
4. Do you think MB will place 63 engines into C class before the E, CLS, SL to pissss off the richer owners? No.
Get my sense of humour?
2. There will be no C63
3. There will be no C63
4. There will be no C63
And no, I dont really get your humor
09-02-2005, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
1. There will be no C63. 2006 M3 sales will be down?! Take a look around, I can practically see 10 M3's in a 30 minute drive anywhere around.
2. There will be no C63
3. There will be no C63
4. There will be no C63
And no, I dont really get your humor
2. There will be no C63
3. There will be no C63
4. There will be no C63
And no, I dont really get your humor
Wrong , wrong , wrong and .......wrong.I have been told to my face by Rob Allan of MB that there will be a C63.The price of the vehicle will be "around" 62k.You will hear more confirmation of this fact after our Oct. 8th AMG meet at MBUSA Headquarters.
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09-02-2005, 10:15 AM
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Hey, the new M3 doesn't have side fins any more..... and the disguise cover on the hood is so big...... wonder whether it would have hood air ducts!
Hopefully the design looks good.... I don't like the E90's rear.... looks like my Maxima or the old Infiniti G20.
Hopefully the design looks good.... I don't like the E90's rear.... looks like my Maxima or the old Infiniti G20.
09-02-2005, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
Wrong , wrong , wrong and .......wrong.I have been told to my face by Rob Allan of MB that there will be a C63.The price of the vehicle will be "around" 62k.You will here more confirmation of this fact after our Oct. 8th AMG meet at MBUSA Headquarters.
Just talked the my dealer.... his exact quote, I got in email:
"It just so happens that the Mercedes Benz representative is here and he said S Class for sure, E Class is still tenative, C Class he thinks it's just too much engine for that size car and does not immediately forsee it."
09-02-2005, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
Just talked the my dealer.... his exact quote, I got in email:
"It just so happens that the Mercedes Benz representative is here and he said S Class for sure, E Class is still tenative, C Class he thinks it's just too much engine for that size car and does not immediately forsee it."
"It just so happens that the Mercedes Benz representative is here and he said S Class for sure, E Class is still tenative, C Class he thinks it's just too much engine for that size car and does not immediately forsee it."
09-02-2005, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
Just talked the my dealer.... his exact quote, I got in email:
"It just so happens that the Mercedes Benz representative is here and he said S Class for sure, E Class is still tenative, C Class he thinks it's just too much engine for that size car and does not immediately forsee it."
"It just so happens that the Mercedes Benz representative is here and he said S Class for sure, E Class is still tenative, C Class he thinks it's just too much engine for that size car and does not immediately forsee it."
09-02-2005, 11:14 AM
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C55AMG W203; 330i E90
There are too many reasons for C32/C55 not taking M3 E90 as an 'upgrade'. I share that. But if I have to list 10 reasons that M3 E90 or nothing, they are:
1. Even a Cayman still cost 20% more than an M3
2. Not want to pay more for power and fuel just to lift up a heavier body for the same speed.
3. Want better paint color e.g. yellow, red
4. I accepted and began to love E90 styling
5. MB has better, luxury interior - yes , been there , seen it, have owned 2 brand new MBs already
6. RS4 - No, cost 30% more than C55 here - the Audi service center here is outsourced to one which also serves Honda
7. M3 is more popular in resale market
8. Who really care for a Mercedes AMG if it is not prefixed with 'SL'
9. Never owned a M3 , want to experience it
10. The driver looks 10 years younger on M3
Believe me, I still love my C55 so much.
:p
1. Even a Cayman still cost 20% more than an M3
2. Not want to pay more for power and fuel just to lift up a heavier body for the same speed.
3. Want better paint color e.g. yellow, red
4. I accepted and began to love E90 styling
5. MB has better, luxury interior - yes , been there , seen it, have owned 2 brand new MBs already
6. RS4 - No, cost 30% more than C55 here - the Audi service center here is outsourced to one which also serves Honda
7. M3 is more popular in resale market
8. Who really care for a Mercedes AMG if it is not prefixed with 'SL'
9. Never owned a M3 , want to experience it
10. The driver looks 10 years younger on M3
Believe me, I still love my C55 so much.
:p
09-02-2005, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
Again , my information was told to me last Friday ( Aug. 26th ) when I was at MB Headquarters in Montvale NJ.The gentleman ( Rob Allan ) is the head of marketing for the AMG Division.
09-02-2005, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by cntlaw
There are too many reasons for C32/C55 not taking M3 E90 as an 'upgrade'. I share that. But if I have to list 10 reasons that M3 E90 or nothing, they are:
1. Even a Cayman still cost 20% more than an M3
2. Not want to pay more for power and fuel just to lift up a heavier body for the same speed.
3. Want better paint color e.g. yellow, red
4. I accepted and began to love E90 styling
5. MB has better, luxury interior - yes , been there , seen it, have owned 2 brand new MBs already
6. RS4 - No, cost 30% more than C55 here - the Audi service center here is outsourced to one which also serves Honda
7. M3 is more popular in resale market
8. Who really care for a Mercedes AMG if it is not prefixed with 'SL'
9. Never owned a M3 , want to experience it
10. The driver looks 10 years younger on M3
Believe me, I still love my C55 so much.
:p
1. Even a Cayman still cost 20% more than an M3
2. Not want to pay more for power and fuel just to lift up a heavier body for the same speed.
3. Want better paint color e.g. yellow, red
4. I accepted and began to love E90 styling
5. MB has better, luxury interior - yes , been there , seen it, have owned 2 brand new MBs already
6. RS4 - No, cost 30% more than C55 here - the Audi service center here is outsourced to one which also serves Honda
7. M3 is more popular in resale market
8. Who really care for a Mercedes AMG if it is not prefixed with 'SL'
9. Never owned a M3 , want to experience it
10. The driver looks 10 years younger on M3
Believe me, I still love my C55 so much.
:p
#7 and #9 are very legitimate reasons, I bought my M3 for the same reason. And frankly am buying a C55 for the same reason, I want an AMG.
Just be careful, you are the same guy who was ready to ditch your car after one electrical problem in 11 months. If you think that's bad, go get yourself a brand new model SMG..... you will sell that car within 2 weeks.
09-02-2005, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
Marketing?! We all know what they're full of....
09-02-2005, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dragonAMG
I agree... can't really see them dropping the 6.3 in the c-class? Serioulsy what would be the attraction to the e63 for 20-30k more? Size??? I think not.
09-02-2005, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
And ANYTHING out of a employee at a dealership carries more credibility ?
And to reference your kompressor comment, the whole point of the 63 engine is that MB is going for all NA engines. That's the whole rationale that the C wont get it. There wont be two flavors, thus it serves MB no good to put the exact same engine in both the C and the E. It would kill their E class sales.
09-02-2005, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
Read it again, a MB rep is there at the dealer. It's not just Joe Blow salesguy.
And to reference your kompressor comment, the whole point of the 63 engine is that MB is going for all NA engines. That's the whole rationale that the C wont get it. There wont be two flavors, thus it serves MB no good to put the exact same engine in both the C and the E. It would kill their E class sales.
And to reference your kompressor comment, the whole point of the 63 engine is that MB is going for all NA engines. That's the whole rationale that the C wont get it. There wont be two flavors, thus it serves MB no good to put the exact same engine in both the C and the E. It would kill their E class sales.
09-02-2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by C43AMG
I was told the C63 would be NA and the E and S class would get the Kompressor.
The new 6.2L V8 is naturally aspirated, and there are NO plans to supercharge that. Maybe a twin turbo version in the future, but there will be no Kompressor.
We already know that the M-class AMG is coming as the ML63. It is likely that the S and E (and maybe the CLK) will get the same naturally aspirated engine.
09-02-2005, 12:26 PM
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C55 AMG, 135i, 911 GT3, GLE43 AMG
And back to the original topic of cntlaw....
It's obvious you are fortunate enough to enjoy great cars in your life. If you haven't experienced a BMW M machine, I think that is reason enough for you to get the next generation M3 coupe (which won't be out until at least 2007/2008).
Remember, the normal E90 3 series coupe isn't even out yet, and will likely debut as a 2007 model. The current E90 3 series sedan just came out as a 2006 model.
However, it is rumoured that the M version of the E90 3 series 4 door sedan will make its debut in Frankfurt later this month.
It's obvious you are fortunate enough to enjoy great cars in your life. If you haven't experienced a BMW M machine, I think that is reason enough for you to get the next generation M3 coupe (which won't be out until at least 2007/2008).
Remember, the normal E90 3 series coupe isn't even out yet, and will likely debut as a 2007 model. The current E90 3 series sedan just came out as a 2006 model.
However, it is rumoured that the M version of the E90 3 series 4 door sedan will make its debut in Frankfurt later this month.
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09-02-2005, 02:12 PM
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The W203 C-class made its debut in 01' and the C32 came out for 02'. The E46 3-series came out in 99' and the M3 in 01'... It's possible that the all new C-class AMG is released at around the same time as the E90 M3....
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09-02-2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cabby
Do you think everyone is wrong but you? We are all saying the same thing.
