Why no talk of Audi S5 here?
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audi is no competitor to benz at all... besides.... A5/S5 just looks ugly... it's just a A3 or A4 with 2 doors.... i would be surprised if it's similar price to C63.... the price is not attractive at all.... completely different league from C63... it's stupid to even try to compare them. I would definitely choose C350 or 335i over S5 or RS5 or whatever audi...
after seeing all the coupes from bmw and benz, audi boss just thought they need a quick solution to compete.... ok then they just give 2 doors to an A4 while everything else remains the same... that's it... such a quick simple cheap solution... no innovation at all...
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7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
Does anyone have a W211 E55 number?
for comparison:
8:37 --- 143.443 km/h -- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG, (sport auto 09/01)
8:22 --- 147.749 km/h -- Mercedes-Benz C55 (sport auto07/2004)
8:22.38 147.617 km/h -- Nissan Skyline R32 GT-R (Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion") http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_wcOnPkxk
8:25 --- 146.851 km/h –- Porsche Cayman S, 295 PS/1412 kg (sport auto 11/06)
7:28* -- 166.652 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:31 --- 164,375 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test
driver Walter Roehrl according to www.automotorsport.se/tv/?m=11159
8:20 --- 148.320 km/h -- Audi RS6, 400 PS/ 1815 kg (sport auto 03/01)
7:36 --- 162.631 km/h -- Mercedes SL 63 AMG Black Series http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/n...7838_13987.hbs
note:Faster than the Zonda!!!
all from: http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
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audi is no competitor to benz at all... besides.... A5/S5 just looks ugly... it's just a A3 or A4 with 2 doors.... i would be surprised if it's similar price to C63.... the price is not attractive at all.... completely different league from C63... it's stupid to even try to compare them. I would definitely choose C350 or 335i over S5 or RS5 or whatever audi...
after seeing all the coupes from bmw and benz, audi boss just thought they need a quick solution to compete.... ok then they just give 2 doors to an A4 while everything else remains the same... that's it... such a quick simple cheap solution... no innovation at all...
after seeing all the coupes from bmw and benz, audi boss just thought they need a quick solution to compete.... ok then they just give 2 doors to an A4 while everything else remains the same... that's it... such a quick simple cheap solution... no innovation at all...
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audi is no competitor to benz at all... besides.... A5/S5 just looks ugly... it's just a A3 or A4 with 2 doors.... i would be surprised if it's similar price to C63.... the price is not attractive at all.... completely different league from C63... it's stupid to even try to compare them. I would definitely choose C350 or 335i over S5 or RS5 or whatever audi...
after seeing all the coupes from bmw and benz, audi boss just thought they need a quick solution to compete.... ok then they just give 2 doors to an A4 while everything else remains the same... that's it... such a quick simple cheap solution... no innovation at all...
after seeing all the coupes from bmw and benz, audi boss just thought they need a quick solution to compete.... ok then they just give 2 doors to an A4 while everything else remains the same... that's it... such a quick simple cheap solution... no innovation at all...
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I also test drove a S5 3 weeks ago, and I found it to be the perfect balance between comfort and performance. It's much more visually appealing the 335i and from most accounts it outperforms the 335i. I saw the comparison between the 335i and the S5 on Fifth Gear as well and it was pretty obvious which car she felt more comfortable driving at the limit (335i). She didn't look capable of properly operating the S5 at the limit out of the turns imho. I've read test that put the S5's 0-60km times as high as 5.1sec, and as low as 4.5sec. Yes it's true the 335i has won the majority of the comparisons, but from all accounts the reason was price, and price alone!!
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I'm in the same boat as I've mentioned several times. Pretty much down to the C63 vs. S5 for me. The main wildcard is price. $70k for a C63 w/LSD is a very likely scenario and the RS5 isn't likely to hit until late '08 or '09. Both have pluses and minuses, but in the end it comes down to price for me. If I can get a LSD C63 for $65k then I'm game. Otherwise, the S5 is looking mighty good.
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E500, 3000GT and 3000GT VR-4, 335i
MSRP is about $51K to $55K from what I've read.
If you customize an S5 on Audi's website, you can apparently get one fully loaded (tech. package, Bang & Olufsen system, etc) for about $57K. That included pearl effect paint.
If you customize an S5 on Audi's website, you can apparently get one fully loaded (tech. package, Bang & Olufsen system, etc) for about $57K. That included pearl effect paint.
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The Mercedes-Benz brand itself probably is worth about 10K. So actually the value of the physical car is 60K, loaded. A bargain for what you're getting
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if the S5 had turbos.. it would be a hot topic
The S5 blows the 335 hands down, except in mods availabe.
If one doesn't care about power.. the V8 is pretty good for 99% of your needs.
The bimmer boys will always say.. The S5 is over priced and slower than a Procede, Xede, JSB2, SSTT tuned N54. But stock vs Stock, the S5 traps higher.
Is the S5 eventually receives the 3L Biturbo.. which it should, it will be a tuners dream. Audi is known for Turbos and has more aftermarket Turbo support than BMW.
I'm thinking of gettng a 135 as my daily driver.. and parking the gaz guzzler E55 for the week-end rides with my family.
but this may put my plans on hold a bit.
if I had a choice between the E92 3L TT or Audi S5 3L TT.. I'll take the Audi.. even with the price difference of $6 to 8k and the extra Weight for AWD.
Btw: I'm sure the 3L TT will be lighter than the V8.. so the new S4 or S5 with 3L TT might be lighter than previous model.
if the S5 had turbos.. it would be a hot topic
The S5 blows the 335 hands down, except in mods availabe.
If one doesn't care about power.. the V8 is pretty good for 99% of your needs.
The bimmer boys will always say.. The S5 is over priced and slower than a Procede, Xede, JSB2, SSTT tuned N54. But stock vs Stock, the S5 traps higher.
Is the S5 eventually receives the 3L Biturbo.. which it should, it will be a tuners dream. Audi is known for Turbos and has more aftermarket Turbo support than BMW.
I'm thinking of gettng a 135 as my daily driver.. and parking the gaz guzzler E55 for the week-end rides with my family.
but this may put my plans on hold a bit.
if I had a choice between the E92 3L TT or Audi S5 3L TT.. I'll take the Audi.. even with the price difference of $6 to 8k and the extra Weight for AWD.
Btw: I'm sure the 3L TT will be lighter than the V8.. so the new S4 or S5 with 3L TT might be lighter than previous model.
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The I6TT in the 335i is not significantly lighter than the V8 in the S4/S5.
Also, the latest rumor is that the next generation S4 will be supercharged not turbocharged. I for one think this would be a bad move given Audi's great experience with turbo units.
As regards the Vicki Butler Henderson clip, well that woman can drive. Just ask the abominable Jamiroquai (sp). However, it was not at all scientific and if anything showed the two cars to be exactly equal around a tight track.
Also, the latest rumor is that the next generation S4 will be supercharged not turbocharged. I for one think this would be a bad move given Audi's great experience with turbo units.
As regards the Vicki Butler Henderson clip, well that woman can drive. Just ask the abominable Jamiroquai (sp). However, it was not at all scientific and if anything showed the two cars to be exactly equal around a tight track.
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No longer car shopping...
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Hey I saw an audi s5 today its verrryyy nice looking...The headlights are really cool and very similar to the r8's which i caught on the highway two days prior....
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The I6TT in the 335i is not significantly lighter than the V8 in the S4/S5.
Also, the latest rumor is that the next generation S4 will be supercharged not turbocharged. I for one think this would be a bad move given Audi's great experience with turbo units.
As regards the Vicki Butler Henderson clip, well that woman can drive. Just ask the abominable Jamiroquai (sp). However, it was not at all scientific and if anything showed the two cars to be exactly equal around a tight track.
Also, the latest rumor is that the next generation S4 will be supercharged not turbocharged. I for one think this would be a bad move given Audi's great experience with turbo units.
As regards the Vicki Butler Henderson clip, well that woman can drive. Just ask the abominable Jamiroquai (sp). However, it was not at all scientific and if anything showed the two cars to be exactly equal around a tight track.