The verdict of C63 we all have been waiting for
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The verdict of C63 we all have been waiting for
It's finally here. The comparison by one of the oldest, honoured and most credible car magazines around. The Autocar magazine (www.autocar.co.uk) has reviewed the new Mercedes C63 AMG in comparison with the latest BMW M3. And the conclusion is that the C63 beats the M3 on its on home arena. The C63 is a more complete car.
"Is the C63 good enough to beat the M3 overall? We believe it is. While the BMW got the nod (by the slimmest of margins) when we first tested the two back to back in Germany (10 October), on British roads it’s the C63 that has more strengths.
The simple truth is that it is faster, steers better, feels more special and has a bigger, better appointed interior for just £692 more than the BMW. We are smitten with this car, and no mistake"
Read for yourself:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...63-AMG/229555/
"Is the C63 good enough to beat the M3 overall? We believe it is. While the BMW got the nod (by the slimmest of margins) when we first tested the two back to back in Germany (10 October), on British roads it’s the C63 that has more strengths.
The simple truth is that it is faster, steers better, feels more special and has a bigger, better appointed interior for just £692 more than the BMW. We are smitten with this car, and no mistake"
Read for yourself:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...63-AMG/229555/
Last edited by overtaker; Dec 12, 2007 at 05:51 AM.
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Few comments
1) Fuel tank capcity : Overall mpg of 18.5 is not bad but i thought fuel tank capacity was 17 Gallons( 66l/3.8 ) and not 14.5 gallons
2) Ride quality: Evo and motortrend have said the ride is pretty good except on very bad roads. I am not sure when they say stiff , how stiff. Stiff like Porsche ride which is not bad or really uncomfortable which i cant believe Merc will make a car that is so uncomfortable. Evan CLk63 black is supposed to be riding pretty good and can be used as a daily driver
3) Upshifts: I thought the video of c63 posted on yutube had fast upshifts. Press the right paddle and the gear display changes to higher gear and rightaway revs falls in the tachomoeter unlike previous amg's ( eg slk 55 ) where upshifts really lagged the gear change display by a seconnd or so
1) Fuel tank capcity : Overall mpg of 18.5 is not bad but i thought fuel tank capacity was 17 Gallons( 66l/3.8 ) and not 14.5 gallons
2) Ride quality: Evo and motortrend have said the ride is pretty good except on very bad roads. I am not sure when they say stiff , how stiff. Stiff like Porsche ride which is not bad or really uncomfortable which i cant believe Merc will make a car that is so uncomfortable. Evan CLk63 black is supposed to be riding pretty good and can be used as a daily driver
3) Upshifts: I thought the video of c63 posted on yutube had fast upshifts. Press the right paddle and the gear display changes to higher gear and rightaway revs falls in the tachomoeter unlike previous amg's ( eg slk 55 ) where upshifts really lagged the gear change display by a seconnd or so
Last edited by smjc_99; Dec 12, 2007 at 08:22 AM.
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good article. Have the link showing the upshifts? I would like to see that for sure. The main problem with the c55 is that horrible delay from clicking the paddle to when it actually shifts, not the actual shift timing itself 
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The link to C63 amg video was on this forum few weeks back and you should be able to find it . Also search on you tube for C63 amg and one of the hits will have a pic of the C63 AMG instrument panel . Click on that video and u can get an idea of the downshift and upshift speeds and i thought upshifts happened quickly
I know the C55 and SLK55 upshifts requests were eecuted after a lag but I dont see that on the C63 video
The link to C63 amg video was on this forum few weeks back and you should be able to find it . Also search on you tube for C63 amg and one of the hits will have a pic of the C63 AMG instrument panel . Click on that video and u can get an idea of the downshift and upshift speeds and i thought upshifts happened quickly
I know the C55 and SLK55 upshifts requests were eecuted after a lag but I dont see that on the C63 video
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was this it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKEGFUWBekA
Still a little delay but much improved!
AND there's shift light!!! That's awesome!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKEGFUWBekA
Still a little delay but much improved!
AND there's shift light!!! That's awesome!!
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Evo got the M3 ahead slightly back to back and now Autocar have the C63 ahead so it is very close. Note that Evo said it was the best AMG apart from the CLK Black which came 4th behind Porsche GT3RS, Ferrari F430 Scud and Audi R8 at the recent eCOTY test, so that is high praise indeed even if it came second.
I'll post some extra snipped comments from both later to suppliment overtakers and smjc_99's work, but for starters from autocar (dry track but not very grippy in November UK due to general cold weather and rime on the track of course)
0-60mph
M3 4.7s
C63 4.4s
0-100
M3 10.2s
C63 9.7s
0-150
M3 26.5s
C63 22.9s
Standing quarter
M3 13.3s at 112mph
C63 12.9s at 116.4mph
30-70mph through the gears
M3 3.7s
C63 3.4s
Against Audi Rs4 on circuit
Dry circuit
RS4 1 min 16.9
C63 1 min 15.8
Wet
RS4 1 min 6.4 sec
C63 1 min 11.5sec
Regards
Andy
PS Still concerns about the ride in the UK even on the 18 inch wheels and the standard suspension. Hmmm ...
I'll post some extra snipped comments from both later to suppliment overtakers and smjc_99's work, but for starters from autocar (dry track but not very grippy in November UK due to general cold weather and rime on the track of course)
0-60mph
M3 4.7s
C63 4.4s
0-100
M3 10.2s
C63 9.7s
0-150
M3 26.5s
C63 22.9s
Standing quarter
M3 13.3s at 112mph
C63 12.9s at 116.4mph
30-70mph through the gears
M3 3.7s
C63 3.4s
Against Audi Rs4 on circuit
Dry circuit
RS4 1 min 16.9
C63 1 min 15.8
Wet
RS4 1 min 6.4 sec
C63 1 min 11.5sec
Regards
Andy
PS Still concerns about the ride in the UK even on the 18 inch wheels and the standard suspension. Hmmm ...
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seems much faster. I can count about 2sec on the 55 from the audible click to the actual shift. On the video it seemed about 1sec. Assuming the click noise was the actual push instead of the release then it's quicker-
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Like I said in a previous post, I'd still take the C63 even if it lost to the M3, and I wouldn't worry about ranks given by magazines. Why? Because I believe the C63 is a better car overall. It's good to know that I'm not crazy. Congrats AMG !!
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Amusuing responses on the M3 forum:
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...74#post2636574
http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...74#post2636574
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It's too bad there is any delay at all. I was assuming (based on reviews, etc.) that the new 6.3 drivetrain had an automatic that was on par with the dual-clutch devices. Having driven those (Audi A3) I can attest that the shift is instantaneous. Even a one-second delay is disappointing.
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It's too bad there is any delay at all. I was assuming (based on reviews, etc.) that the new 6.3 drivetrain had an automatic that was on par with the dual-clutch devices. Having driven those (Audi A3) I can attest that the shift is instantaneous. Even a one-second delay is disappointing.
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what bothers me is how most of these "comparisons" aren't true comparisons. what i mean is, how are they gonna say the M3 is better in whatever aspect when 90% of the time they're referring to the coupe and not the sedan version. its freaking retarded! 
AND before i get nailed... i know the previous model M3 (I6 model) didnt have a sedan so fine, for that generation it was okay... but the new generation V8 (will) does, so its only fair to compare a sedan (BMWs M3) to another sedan (MBs C63 AMG)
and then im sure the C63 will win FOR SURE
btw, i love how in the autocar article it mentioned: "When the C55 subsequently replaced the C32, there were many who regarded it as a backward step" thats a quote taken from the 3rd paragraph on the 1st page... i always thought it was too but no one would believe me either!!
in any event, i would not mind being an owner of any body type M3 or C63... god bless (and be fuc*ing careful) all you who do get one
AND before i get nailed... i know the previous model M3 (I6 model) didnt have a sedan so fine, for that generation it was okay... but the new generation V8 (will) does, so its only fair to compare a sedan (BMWs M3) to another sedan (MBs C63 AMG)
and then im sure the C63 will win FOR SUREbtw, i love how in the autocar article it mentioned: "When the C55 subsequently replaced the C32, there were many who regarded it as a backward step" thats a quote taken from the 3rd paragraph on the 1st page... i always thought it was too but no one would believe me either!!
in any event, i would not mind being an owner of any body type M3 or C63... god bless (and be fuc*ing careful) all you who do get one
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This wasn't really a direct head to head comparison. Rather, it seems they got to drive the C63 more extensively on British roads. And they seem to base their conclusions about the M3 and C63 rather subjectively (as most of these magazines do).
Autocar obviously does not have consistent conclusions/impressions. First they favour the M3 when they compared the cars the first time. Now, they give the nod to the C63.
And it is funny that they mention in introduction how some people thought the C55 was a backward step compared to the C32. Anyone believing that doesn't know what they are talking about. In fact, Autocar reviewed the C55when it came out. Nothing but praise and they made it clear how the C55 is so much better than the C32 as a performance car because of the revised suspension/transmission, etc.......you can read that here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...55-AMG/206729/
Anyways, Evo magazine (a magazine which is much more respected with regards to driving thrill and performance than Autocar) has just performed a direct comparison test of the new M3 vs the C63. I'll make another thread about that........
Autocar obviously does not have consistent conclusions/impressions. First they favour the M3 when they compared the cars the first time. Now, they give the nod to the C63.
And it is funny that they mention in introduction how some people thought the C55 was a backward step compared to the C32. Anyone believing that doesn't know what they are talking about. In fact, Autocar reviewed the C55when it came out. Nothing but praise and they made it clear how the C55 is so much better than the C32 as a performance car because of the revised suspension/transmission, etc.......you can read that here:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...55-AMG/206729/
Anyways, Evo magazine (a magazine which is much more respected with regards to driving thrill and performance than Autocar) has just performed a direct comparison test of the new M3 vs the C63. I'll make another thread about that........
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Step up to the C32!!!
I would say that there were people who felt the transition from C43 to C32 was a step backward b/c it was not a V8 engine. Maybe they got confused.
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just curious...has anyone thought about a starmarked low mileage e55 instead of the c63??? yes? pros/cons?
i've can't get my head around the c63 styling. car is too chunky in rear around c pillar area.....but i find the new m3 to be very attractive.....and the e55 looking a bit dated but still very pretty. and there no denying the performance potential...pullies etc= 550-600hp.
i've can't get my head around the c63 styling. car is too chunky in rear around c pillar area.....but i find the new m3 to be very attractive.....and the e55 looking a bit dated but still very pretty. and there no denying the performance potential...pullies etc= 550-600hp.
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traps 116 again... this is the 2nd mag to get this trap speed
and hits 150 in 22.x seconds..
that is just behind M5 E60 territory and faster than E63/E55.
no way I would pick a used E55 over a new C63.
E55 handles very poorly.
and hits 150 in 22.x seconds..
that is just behind M5 E60 territory and faster than E63/E55.
no way I would pick a used E55 over a new C63.
E55 handles very poorly.
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