Fifth Ring

Those same people (non-car-enthusiasts) would have the same reaction to this:



WHAT'S THAT???

360_iti

Not everyone lives in Jersey and NYC. In most parts of the country (and the world) MB is still associated with prestige, even in Socal. It's the brand that attention-***** celebrities prefer. Pay attention to Hollywood movies, what kind of car do characters of higher profile drive? Mercedes-Benz. The director could choose any make they want, but when it comes to prestige, most of the times it comes down to MB. And don’t argue by saying it’s just in movies, because movie directors always take clues and facts from the reality to a certain extent. Maybe the standard in Jersey is so high, it’s dime a dozen on the streets, but I don’t think in this case Jersey is a legitimate value to be used for generalization. My 02.

However, I do agree with you that most people would'nt recognize the C63 from a regular C. The majority of people would recognize it as a 4-door Benz, and then a smaller group would recognize it as the C class. And then an even smaller group would recognize it as the C63.

Jspeed

CHeck this out!

Full test

And this:

Suzuka Lap times


It just keeps getting better and better ... Can't wait for mine to arrive!

brabusw209amg

i am going to nissan right now and leave a deposit

Fifth Ring

I've had a personal revelation about cars like the GTR. In order to get any use out of the car's obvious capabilities, you need to take it to the track -- something I'm familiar with. If you don't take it to the track, you're either wasting your money, or street racing. Stupid either way.

But if you're using that car to its potential at a track, you're putting the car and yourself at significant risk. It's crazy fast. You'd be going 150+ down the front and back straights at VIR. Without a roll cage, race seats or harnesses, that's just not wise. Even if you're OK with the personal risk, at those speeds, mistakes are unforgiving to say the least.

It all gives me a greater understanding of, and appreciation for, AMG as the "street-driver's supercar." Plenty of HP, decent handling, great brakes and a comfortable interior. I like my current setup alot. AMG for the daily driver and a cheap beater for the track.

Walla

Skyline vs C63...

That is saying

Buigatti Veyron vs 911 Turbo...

Both are great, but honestly it is silly...

GTR if u wanna be a rice Rocket man, C63 if u want a car that can take you home in comfort and rip our face off.

EV0LVE

The GTR is a car-guy's car, just brute horsepower, just look at it's target a Porsche TURBO, it will leave the C63 in the dust, and is it a soup'd-up Z, yes, to somebody who doesn't know what a GTR is . It's gonna be an awesome car, just wait 'til the real tuners get ahold of it.

chiphomme

That's sick fast.



"We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. Keep your foot pinned, and after another tap on the upshift paddle it will clear the quarter-mile in 11.6 seconds at more than 120 mph. "




But the new 'vette looks really fast too.


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ook/index.html

Fifth Ring

It's simple:

G35 = Glorified 350Z
GTR = REALLY Glorified 350Z
Audi = Glorified VW

HLG600

These are two different classes of cars. In the small sedan segment, the C63 flat out overpowers and outperforms all of its competition. The 2DR GTR would be better compared to a CLK63 (even though AMG only offers the coupe overseas to pump up Black Series sales over here). Once forced induction becomes an option for the 6.2 Liter, you are going to see even tuned GTR's having trouble keeping up.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Sure there will be chip and exhaust tuning for the 6.2TT, but that'll be the extent of it kids. Very few people will hack up an AMG engine, but I happen to know of a few turbo kits in development for the GTR ALREADY. You will see 1,000hp GTR's on the street well before you see a 6.2 AMG even approaching those numbers.

As far as comparing the GTR to the C63, well they're not even in the same class and have completely different drivetrains and philosophies behind them, but performance-wise, there isn't any comparison. The GTR outstrips the C63 in every category, it's better compared to Porsche TT's and Z06's, more so the Z06. And don't even get into the "well you can bring the C63 up to 550hp" because you can do far more to the GTR's VR lump for far less money.

Jons95c36amg

Well if I was rich and kept the GTR in the garage for show and paying a hefty insurance prem. No fool drives that everyday. But my current stat the C63 looks good for me.

rays cl55

are you serious?

ProjectC55

Hmmm Hate to think what you'd think of the C32! Glorified C320!

360_iti

+1
Spend 2 grand on an AMG and you get an additional 50hp/50 tq. Spend 2 grand on a Jap car and you'll race the big boys.

bensitto

I think its more like spend $800 on a ECU reflash for a potential 550 HP, almost 100HP gain.

I've heard people on the boards saying that the 63 engine was a stepping stone for the TT 63 engine. If and when that does happen we'll be seeing stock 700+HP benzes...

Anyway, it's going to be fun watching these 2 cars go head to head. The benz has a little more torque, the GTR has a little more HP.

lexaltezza

Have any of you seen the latest Edmunds.com review of the GTR? If not, here is the link: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1#2

0-60= 3.3 seconds
1/4 mile= 11.6 seconds

The c63 can't and never will compare performance wise for you optimist believers.

iguess

i think we all agree this is a great car. its just that 1/2 the people cant get over the nissan brand. i think its going to be a while before most people will accept that japanese cars can be luxury cars too

Fifth Ring

I think plenty of folks are convinced that Lexus and Infiniti build great (Japanese) cars (luxury). But putting a pricey supercar under a Nissan banner is an interesting choice. They could have marketed it as an Infiniti. Remember when VW sold a super-sedan (Phaeton) next to Beetles and Golfs? How did that turn out? I think this will turn out better since the GTR is a progression from the 350Z and not such a logical leap.

My guess is that Nissan examined the decision to sell the NSX under the Acura name rather than Honda.

360_iti

That's what I believe. Putting an FI is a no brainer for them. Tranny is another story and my guess is they're currently working on it. It takes a little bit of R&D to come up with a whole new gearing system to be able to handle that much of power and more. Like I said in another post, I'm curious to learn what they're planning for the upcoming W212 AMG. Fun stuff.

gnma

I saw this post, and thought, "here we go, bashing on Nissan", but I was pleasantly surprised to read the comments here. MB owners telling it like it is. Really cool IMO. I've never seen a forum where owners really respect other cars in such quantity, and this is a MB forum of all forums!! (It shows the quality and knowledge of the owners).

If I had to choose bet. the 2, it would be the Skyline. The TT Supra came with a 320 hp engine that owners PROVED (already done, NOT speculation, or rumours) was good for 650 hp stock. I would imagine the Skyline too will be overengineered the same way. And as some may say "boy racer image" etc, we all know there is no replacement for power. That's why MB has AMG, BMW has the M division etc. The Skyline will offer incredible power, and no matter what, no 4 door sedan will ever give the feeling that a true sports car can, and that's the bottom line IMO.

CoupeBoy

Considering the fact that I live in New York now, I understand where you are coming from, but I was referring to self gratification instead of others determining what is "prestigious." As far as people not knowing the difference, who cares, it's not like an "average" person would say "Hey, look at the new Nissan Skyline driving down the street." I think they would say, "Wow, that's a Nissan," but once they see the sticker price, it would be "who would pay $75k for a Nissan"...the average person doesn't know what a Skyline is and what it offers.

But either way, they both are great cars, but in two different markets C63 = M3...Skyline = Vette/Viper.

Jons95c36amg

Thanks to AWD. But from a roll the GTR wont be much quicker then the c63.

ndabunka

Well, the C63 is a Merc so you can pretty much COUNT on about a 40% reduction in value (called depreciation) in 2 years. The GT-R is a limited production product (i.e. rare). They are both the same price. Which one do YOU all think will hold it's value better? The mass overly-produced C63 or the restrictive GT-R? Here's a hint, although the GT-R is not yet available here, the price tag is set right at $70K (base line model is $68,400 and premium is $71,900). The first one has already been resold as a used car for.............$95K.

It's like anything else, demand and supply. Nissan gets it. Benz won't be restricting any C63's. As the saying goes, when everyone can get one, no one is special.

lexaltezza

I thought I remember reading somewhere that the GTR will be mass produced on a yearly basis...