iguess

yes, post vids when you get the ZR1

2MANYCARS

Easy, get both.

Jspeed

Just collected my new beast ...

It makes my CLS55 look tame when parked beside it!

Quicktwinturbo

nice rides!!! Black one is my fav by far..

c32AMG-DTM

Gorgeous car!

I saw one of these in person a little while ago - they had a RHD Japan-spec GT-R at the Philadelphia Auto Show. It's an amazing machine, no question... definitely not a "sleeper" in any sense - draws huge crowds, and looks incredibly fast just sitting in place...

cntlaw

M5CLK pointed out a very good point and it is also my personal 'experience' having owned a C55 W203 in Hong kong. The C55 could have been a very unique and 'fashioned' sports car if there were not so many MBs/W203s here.
I saw extremely nice modded white color C200K W204 with AMG aero kit, very sporty black 19" rims, so a stock triple-priced C63 probably won't be gaining much turnheads except appreciation from the AMG fanatics. The GT-R, like the 350z, are supplied by many Japan cars parallel importers here, so we should be seeing more preowned GT-Rs from these Japan cars importers. Historically, M3, especially DKG becomes available should still be the most pouplar sports sedan here.

rdk

Could you give a comparison of the two? I have a GT-R on order scheduled for July delivery.

vulcan33

I see your amazing pictures of a black GT-R.
I have sworn off black for years but am now leaning that way and rationalizing
how 5K or 10K over MSRP won't hurt me much.
Sigh!

Jspeed

After driving it for 3 days, I find that the only time I feel the need to drive the CLS is when I'm going somewhere with a lousy carpark or somewhere that might get my GTR dirty. That's how good the GTR is! There is no comparison. It looks better - ie. more expensive, more evil, more glamourous, more exclusive, more sexy ... and it drives better - its just as fast as the CLS but more stable and comfortable above 80mph and it handles amazing. In other words, its even a better GT than the CLS55. It also has a very clever sound system which records every CD/DVD you insert and stores it in a hard disk so you can play them back later using the jukebox on its 'Playstation' touch screen! Its much faster than changing discs with a cd changer.


I only have 3 complaints about the car:

- Firm ride around town
- Jerky 1st to 2nd gearchange
- Slightly high seating position


Believe me you won't be disappointed.

(PS: I will comment more on how fast the car is after I have run it in fully)

batrax

Jspeed you mentioned that its quite firm around town. How bad is it? Could it be used as a daily driver ?

btw the car looks amazing.....

norb

I'm glad for the GT-R and even the Corvette ZR1, it keeps Porsche from resting on its laurels. And in the end, its buyers who win, with better choices and better products. Personally, I would buy the GT-R but not if its over list, and that won't happen for a while.

rdk

Thanks for the detailed report. It is going to be a long four months. I am surprised the GT-R only feels only "as fast" as the CLS since the reported performance numbers are considerably faster for the GT-R.

Fifth Ring

Don't forget the Audi R8. It is priced right at the 911, and it offers a much more modern and livable driving experience (despite looking like a supercar). And the RS8 is going to be a monster.

I don't think the R8 or the GT-R will win over any current Porsche owners, since they are often drawn to the brand by its history and image, and they wouldn't touch a Nissan or even an Audi. But for someone looking to move into a top-level performance car, the R8, GT-R and ZR-1 are all good alternatives to the 911.

Sunny55

so u did get it! wow....its stunning....it's soooo wicked

Jspeed

In comfort mode, driving in town is just about bearable although I still have to drive real slow when the roads get bumpy. Shouldn't be an issue unless you drive on terrible road surfaces often. But take my words, its a worthy trade off. The car handles like a single seater race car at high speeds. There is hardly any roll and the car just goes where u point the steering wheel!

BTW, its not my daily driver cos it attracts too much attention, and black is just a b*tch to keep clean.

Jspeed

My CLS is modded

Jspeed

Many Porsche owners here have actually ordered GTRs and R8s. Yes there will still be a strong following because of the brand and history, but Porsche really needs to raise its game or risk being left behind as people start to realise that there are alternatives. Unlike before, there are now many cars that look better and handle just as well as a 911, not to mention cheaper too.

Just park a 911 Carrera beside an R8 and GTR, which would you want to drive?

Sunny55

very good point....i'd take an R8 or GTR over a 911 anyday

Fifth Ring

Porsche got itself painted into a corner with the drivetrain configuration of the 911. It was never optimal, but they did amazing things making it handle. The Cayman drivetrain is a MUCH better starting point, and I'm sure Porsche knows this, but they have to figure out how to move forward without losing the faithful who are wedded to the engine being behind the rear axle.

Andy7oaks

The GT-R was just tested against 997 turbo and they reported the siff ride and the 1st-2nd being slightly rougher like Jspeed did, but they still reported it was a lot better than the 997T.

Amazing car for an amazing price. Nice compliment to a Benz with a lovely burbly V8. I'd have the C63 wagon and the GT-R as I mentioned in the other thread if I had the money.

Regards

Andy

c350blknav

Well handling wise, no chance. GTR hands down. Speed and quickness, GTR hands down. Comfort and space..C 63 hands down. At the end of the day,
6'4" 280 all beef needs some space.

I drove a 350z for 4 and a half years. I ended up growing out of it literally. I saw the gtr and the interior is the smalles bit of the car, the seats sit high so you waist all that roof height. The C class gives me about and inch and a half of clearance above my head. In my cousin's G35 I had to duck down and drive. I'll have to sit in the car and see how I fit.

But after a benz, i can't even tolerate BMW's anymore, they're too brash and childlike. They seem like they are over doing it.

Now I know why my parents have been driving benz for decades one feels like a king driving it.

My dad has an S550 and I would take that car over a GTR hands down. But that's not a fair comparison.

Jspeed

GTR really is quite fast!

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...77#post2691277

ProV1

OMG jspeed your GTR looks amazing..

c63 is a very competent car for sure, but really there is no comparison. not to mention exclusivity, MB will sell 10,000 C63s next yr, and 100,000 C-class!!!

13AMG

The GTR is an amazing car...

Anyone that says otherwise, or the fact that it is a Nissan detracts from it's validity as a true sportscar, is showing their uneducated bias...

The GTR has a renowned heritage as well...

The C63 and GTR are different cars in terms of performance classes, but in the real world, they are direct competitors because of pricing...

The GTR can also be had for MSRP, one should research and look outside their geographic location if they are really interested...

None of this takes anything away from the C63, it is an excellent car as well...It has the practicality and performance that the GTR doesn't possess...

robertc63

I have a 1992 GTR V Spec 11 with 420K/w or 512Hp at all four wheels, the new GTR will never have the respect or the following of the R32 until it races and proves itself. At an engie size of almost 50% larger than the original GTR its HP figures are nothing startling. Love the concept. Have had mine for 15 years. My C63 arrives in July so will post a note in comparison.