chiphomme

You're mistaken.

coded

It won on the track because it is a better car on the track. Whatever excuses you can list make no difference. AMG set out to take on the M3 at track disciplines and lost by a large margin. The rest is history.

OPM

What heater and nav????

OPM

Wow, I cannot believe AMG owners track their cars??? Why would anybody waste such a beautiful piece of engineering on juvenile pursuits when they can race 16year olds at red lights? I know that every time I pull up to red light I pray for an opportunity to race a ricer. When I win, I get hard and feel like a man. My entire 4” get engorged with blood.

Can you believe this looser took his brand new C55 to track???



Oh wait. I am that looser. F@#k me!

Mu9enx

+1

Andy7oaks

That would be the track test that Evo did in a cold, wet November when the 0-60 times for both M3 and C63 were 5.6s ? How objective is that when you consider the traction of the track? No doubt a high torque car will be disadvantaged in those conditions.

Regards

Andy

Andy7oaks

When you spend multiple corners squashing an apple how objective is that and how much is due to entertainment ?

I think some people lose the point of Top Gear here, it's a boys toys show of extremes.

Regards

Andy

Andy7oaks

And finally ..


I'm amused that on track days that for a lot of people here a top time is so important. That being the case why are you bothered with an M3 or C63 and instead not get a Radical? It's cheaper as well

Are people so obsessed with trackday times that they are disappointed that a road car cannot do X Y or Z and therefore will not buy it? I was always under the impression that track days were for letting your hair down and having a bit of fun without the "law" carting you off. I have only ever done one track day and it was in torrential rain and the Honda Integra R we had a go in was far quicker than the Porsche 993, but the Porsche was far more fun until we accidentally parked it backwards on the infield ....

Mind you 9100rpm on the Integra R was pretty impressive, fantastic car, like a Swiss Rolex. I digress though.

All this talk of disappointment in a car because of the stopwatch points to speaking at the bar with a drink in hand rather than having a bit of fun. Or should I say the modern day equivalent of spouting on the Internet?

My preference is man over machine, engine over chassis, but I can also respect the other viewpoint of combined whole.

As long as we are enjoying ourselves by whatever floats our boat, that is the mainthing.

Regards

Andy

egtgrant

^^ +1

NORTH 44 C63

I have been keeping an eye on this thread since the season finale of Top Gear aired. I must admit I am a little disappointed. Not in the C63 but in some of my fellow forum members.
Through all the posts, some eloquent and some, well, not so, most of you seem to have lost the ability of reason and independent thought. To condemn any vehicle based on a review done by the Three Stooges on Top Gear is just plain misguided. Don't get me wrong, I love Top Gear for what it is. Great entertainment. Boys with expensive toys having fun. For the most part very entertaining and I do look forward to the weekly hour I spend with my now 2 year old Son watching it. (its one of the few shows we share, ooooh and aaaah at together)
When it comes to reviewing the new C63 I will trust my "Three Stooges". My Right Foot, Backside and Heart. After all, it is my money I may or may not be spending

Can't wait!!! I am sure it won't disappoint

picklesam

does it really matter which car wins on the track or which car does betta powerslides? the C63 could've been 5 secs slower and i still would've choose it over the others cos i'm a Merc fan and i don't do track days and i don't take corners like a maniac..who cares what 3 whinging poms think anyway, topgear's an entertaining show but i value Tiff from 5th gear's opinion more than Jeremy's...at least Tiff was a professional racer...

picklesam

damn right...the show's starting to **** me off actually, they're always so anti american and japnese, and i watched a 'review' of the fiat 500 and what a joke, 3/4s of the segment was james may racing some punks on BMXs...WTF does that got to do with the car??

coded

And being an ex professional racer he will pick the M3 all day long as the car he prefers.

BBD

Coded Scroll up and read please instead of skimming threw words and making your own version of what people are saying. the "C63 Merc IS the better car car" I say this again incase you missed what I said. On the road, and the real world it is far superior its the mans car. u talk about track and lap times they are both crap compared to whats avilable for 1/4 of the price, like stated before me SR3 Radical.

coded

Well you share that opinion with nobody who has actually tested them back to back. Care to watch the Top Gear review again ? Harsh ride is amongst the may reasons the C63 is not as good a daily driver and never will be.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

BBD

I understand your a magazine junkie you read and talk about what others say and done your not the type that has actions with words ,, but if you have an M3 and get blown away by a C63 in the distance future I hope you talk about it.

The C63 was on my list but I went for the CLS63 because the interior suited me better I also used to race professional so I know what the track is all abou,t and most prolly have owned more BMV's and Mercs than you will ever do in your life time.. so please do go read your articals and mags and talk about what others are saying cheers

2MANYCARS

Didn't he pick the Audi R8 in the final episode from last series?

On the three cars, I would most definitely choose the C63 over the others, easier to live with, looks better, sounds better, no need to rev the hell out of the engine to squeeze out the power (torque lover), and the most important thing, you don't have to press the POWER button every time you start the car. It still annoys me everytime I go drive my M6 that I have to press the button. Why? Why can't I have the full 500hp (before mods) working for me right off the bet? That button is just stupid. Same thing with the 957 Cayenne my wife just picked up, what is the purpose of a Sport button being there? Fuel economy? I think when you are driving a Porsche, AMG, or M, fuel economy should be the least of your concern.

silence

i chose amg becaue it is rare, comfortable, and fast for the kind of fast i can get away with on the streets (of mexico)

seems like not much has changed

other than that i'm hoping to be as fast as the new car soon...

coded

Well I have driven and owned more of them than you imagine. But heck you don't know me and I don't know you.

If you know what the track is all about you would be buying an M3 as this is the track car of choice clearly. Mercedes don't steer and they never have. The C63 was supposed to arrest this problem but it has not. If I wanted a straight line screamer I would buy the Z09 and be done with it. I want the package though and the M3 is a total package !

ash-c32

Ive just driven the new M3 and have to say that

1. The interior is nearly identical to a non -M 3 series

2. You have to rev the nuts off it to get meaningful acceleration

3. Brakes feel dead

4. Steering feels very artificial, especially with some lock applied

5. Nice gearshift, positive and direct

6. Engine is too quiet and maybe too refined?

7. Good traction in a straight line from rest even in slippery conditions

8. Why do manufacturers insist on SPORT Buttons, with it off the engine felt flat and with it ON it was hypersensitive and non-linear. Just leave it with a natural response and let the driver decide on how he or she wants to drive.

Overall, came away feeling underwhelmed.M division have softened this car up and it felt like a more peaky version of the 335i.
I look forward to a drive in the 63 when we (my company) get one in for evaluation).

I much preferred the RS4 as a practical sports coupe/saloon.


I would say dont believe motoring journo`s and go out and decide for yourself.

DCarrera

I for one don't, which is why I also own a Porsche. Use the right tool for the right job, simple as that.


Plus I'm far more inclined to believe Jeremy and the crew than anyone else. They have no problem telling you what they really think of any car. Hell, I've even seen them roast British cars, even though Jeremy is clearly a Brito-phile.

Fifth Ring

Long-term track junkies are usually past the street-racer phase and will buy a street car that matches their actual needs for street driving. They'll favor a more comfortable sports sedan over a hard-edged quasi-racecar any day. If they want a track car, they usually have a proper one on a trailer.

Keep in mind that the #1 motivator of car makers is sales. Yes, they worry about the corporate image and legacy, but it all mean naught if the company loses money. Sales are highly influenced by the media reviews of cars, and the media will always match the C63 to the M3 and the RS4. And the car mags are obsessed with 0-60 and lap times because they are objective.

Things like ride comfort, ergonomics and interior materials are important, but almost impossible to measure in an absolute or relative sense. Too bad, since the MB/AMG brand should appeal to a wider audience than the M3. But when the media is so obsessed with measuring the C63 against the M3, the advantages get ignored. Worse, it appears that MB may have forfeited some of what made the C63 preferable to the M3 in an effort to beat the M3.

Clearly, the bigger AMGs attract a wider audience.

KiwiRobbie

yup and by then BMW will launch the M3 CSL, I think the C63 will only get the extra HP if they do a Black Series.

Fifth Ring

Agreed, but that was my point. Each maker will continue to develop their cars. Adding hypotheticals is fine, but there will be hypotheticals on both sides.

ztnedman1

M3 is easier to go fast in but it doesnt mean the c63 cannot compare. Just like the vid showed the stig had trouble controlling the c63. Same with the carrera gt. Give him time to learn the car and he'll shave seconds off. Now time may come off the bimmer too but the m3's lap looked near perfect. Track times depend on too many factors to make one lap and absolute indication of which car is faster. One may be easier to get the fast time, but it doesnt nessesarily mean its faster. If someone put a gun to the stig's head and told him he has to shave 5 seconds off that lap time Im pretty sure he could, even though it may take a while.