New Member, Build Date 7/20/09, LSD Question
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2009 C63 AMG
New Member, Build Date 7/20/09, LSD Question
Hi Guys,
Have been lurking for a bit and found the information helpful. Especially all the performance mod info from VRP Tuning. My car is scheduled to be built on 7/20/09 and I hope to have it by the end of August. My order is:
Mars Red
Navigation/Entertainment Package
Performance Package
Leather Package (black)
I plan to do a few mods (ECU, headers, and maybe the airbox). I've found info from Renntech (seems expensive), MBK (expensive and logistical problems), and VRP (seems best).
I would have preferred to just have ordered the limited slip by itself, but it wasn't an option. If I am not going to put the car on the track, but just commute around and hammer it a bit, how important is the LSD? Will I have a traction problem with a few mods if I didn't get the LSD?
Have been lurking for a bit and found the information helpful. Especially all the performance mod info from VRP Tuning. My car is scheduled to be built on 7/20/09 and I hope to have it by the end of August. My order is:
Mars Red
Navigation/Entertainment Package
Performance Package
Leather Package (black)
I plan to do a few mods (ECU, headers, and maybe the airbox). I've found info from Renntech (seems expensive), MBK (expensive and logistical problems), and VRP (seems best).
I would have preferred to just have ordered the limited slip by itself, but it wasn't an option. If I am not going to put the car on the track, but just commute around and hammer it a bit, how important is the LSD? Will I have a traction problem with a few mods if I didn't get the LSD?
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MARS RED HUH?
congrats dude, seriously one of my favorite colors on the C63
im pretty clueless about mods and stuff like that, but i'll try to answer your LSD question as best i could
i never plan on tracking my car or anything like that.
it will be my daily driver
but someone made a good point, if youre getting the AMG which is a performance car, you might as well go all out and get the performance package
also, there is a big sentiment on this site that a car with 451 horses NEEDS an LSD....ppl say its a must
mainly, the reason i got the PP, is cuz i think the suede steering wheel is sexy as hell!
also, the car will handle and perform better with the LSD, and upgraded suspension...also throw in brakes...and i think its a no brainer
but the BEST REASON to get the performance package is the price
some after market LSDs might cost 3-4k
but for $3900 to get better brakes, suspension, LSD, and steering wheel...THAT IS SUUUUUCH A GOOD DEAL !!!
congrats dude, seriously one of my favorite colors on the C63
im pretty clueless about mods and stuff like that, but i'll try to answer your LSD question as best i could
i never plan on tracking my car or anything like that.
it will be my daily driver
but someone made a good point, if youre getting the AMG which is a performance car, you might as well go all out and get the performance package
also, there is a big sentiment on this site that a car with 451 horses NEEDS an LSD....ppl say its a must
mainly, the reason i got the PP, is cuz i think the suede steering wheel is sexy as hell!
also, the car will handle and perform better with the LSD, and upgraded suspension...also throw in brakes...and i think its a no brainer
but the BEST REASON to get the performance package is the price
some after market LSDs might cost 3-4k
but for $3900 to get better brakes, suspension, LSD, and steering wheel...THAT IS SUUUUUCH A GOOD DEAL !!!
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areas in which the lsd makes no difference would be if you only drive the car on the street, plan to always keep the ESP on fully, and dont drive the car in bad weather (ie snow). keeping the stability control on will probably override the lsd most of the time anyways.
if you plan on driving your car in a "spirited fashion" using the esp sport mode on some back road, or on the track, or in bad weather, then the lsd will make a difference.
the big reason why amg cars in the past had no lsd for the road was cause their ESP was not defeatable. now that it is (and you have 450 lb-ft of torque), you should have it if you plan on using this function anywhere.
if you plan on driving your car in a "spirited fashion" using the esp sport mode on some back road, or on the track, or in bad weather, then the lsd will make a difference.
the big reason why amg cars in the past had no lsd for the road was cause their ESP was not defeatable. now that it is (and you have 450 lb-ft of torque), you should have it if you plan on using this function anywhere.
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I didn't have a choice after all...
Well, I spent all morning reading this forum and other internet info. After all my research, I decided to delete the $3,900 performance package since I won't be doing any track time, don't want too stiff of a ride, brakes that are more expensive to service, and a steering wheel finish that deteriorates with time. I called my dealer and he said it's too late with only 17 days to my build date. So I'm getting the performance package after all!!!
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I ordered the PP/LSD. But, I think your decision is right for you given your intended use. I think the electronic nannies will serve you just fine for street use.
Even for the track it might be overkill. I see it being mainly useful in getting the power down on tighter sections when the 3 stage ESP is totally disabled. Can't wait to find out. (still waiting)
Even for the track it might be overkill. I see it being mainly useful in getting the power down on tighter sections when the 3 stage ESP is totally disabled. Can't wait to find out. (still waiting)
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Well, I spent all morning reading this forum and other internet info. After all my research, I decided to delete the $3,900 performance package since I won't be doing any track time, don't want too stiff of a ride, brakes that are more expensive to service, and a steering wheel finish that deteriorates with time. I called my dealer and he said it's too late with only 17 days to my build date. So I'm getting the performance package after all!!!
i think with 17 days till production, you CAN cancel the PP
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oops didn't read the last sentence. so you are getting the PP? what the heck. 10% stiffer valving, how much firmer can that be? besides it's a sports sedan, not a land yacht.
Don't know if LE is right or wrong.
Oh and happy 4th guys.
Don't know if LE is right or wrong.
Oh and happy 4th guys.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks or says... 2 wheel drive LSD is better then 1 wheel drive (safety rear) at any given time, unless its Grandma driving then I'd say no need for it. Just as is all wheel drive would be best over all (like the New Jap GTR-GT)... For the price you also get composit brakes (which wear cleaner No dust and last longer), a better suspension, high performance stearing wheel which is almost a steel for the option price.
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No, he is right. I have July 20 build date as well. I made a color change (Palladium Silver to White) on Wednesday and just got it in under the wire. My sales guy told me that right after he made the change 'it went to red and unchangeable'.
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Regardless of what anyone thinks or says... 2 wheel drive LSD is better then 1 wheel drive (safety rear) at any given time, unless its Grandma driving then I'd say no need for it. Just as is all wheel drive would be best over all (like the New Jap GTR-GT)... For the price you also get composit brakes (which wear cleaner No dust and last longer), a better suspension, high performance stearing wheel which is almost a steel for the option price.
The LSD will help anyone where there are differences in traction between the two rear wheels, regardless of who is driving the car. otoh ESP will add brake force and/or decrease power to a rear wheel (or differntially to both) to prevent over-rotation (spinning the car). This improves the stability of the car, in a different way from a LSD, and in the end also helps keep the back of the car controlled. If you're trying to get the most out of the car and you're trying to keep your foot down, ESP will slow your progress. The LSD won't. It'll help you get faster by getting the power down to the road more effectively.So, I agree, having a LSD is always better. And, I think it's impact on safety is lessened by ESP, and maybe this is a point where there's room for discussion. btw, most ppl don't get into trouble from the way they get on the throttle w/ or w/o unequal rear traction, rather they get into trouble because of the way they abruptly come off the throttle when the're scared.
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Sorry, one more point. Some, a very good porsche wrench I know, say LSD will make a car understeer more. I don't know how much of an effect this would be and I don't have any personal experience w/ this effect.
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Just wonder guys---If the LSD on the C63s deletes the spare tire in favor of an electric air pump and a can of gunk.
It does on my CLS55.
It does on my CLS55.
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You cannot make statements like that especially there are so many type of LSD today.
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Get it!
IMHO the PP is the way to go. As a few people have pointed out:
1) You get the upgraded composite brakes which wear better, brake more efficiently (definitely a must if you plan on reigning in all the power the car makes), and definitely look cooler too.
2) LSD, which will help you put all that power down, especially if you decide on some spirited driving (which, with this car is safe to say will probably be most of the time
)
3) Alcantara steering wheel which not only looks and feels amazing, but should also provide better grip when those hands get sweaty... which once again in such a beastly vehicle they will
(for those concerned with the finish deteriorating, replacing alcantara isn't that expensive.)
4) Finally, the suspension upgrade, which not only will enhance handling and performance, but also save you the money in the long run for upgrading the suspension.
In conclusion, the PP is SUCH a good deal, I don't understand why anybody buying the car (aside from those just getting it for the AMG badge) would not opt for it.
P.S. If you are even remotely considering upgrading the power of the 63, then points 1, 2 and 4 are especially valid.
1) You get the upgraded composite brakes which wear better, brake more efficiently (definitely a must if you plan on reigning in all the power the car makes), and definitely look cooler too.
2) LSD, which will help you put all that power down, especially if you decide on some spirited driving (which, with this car is safe to say will probably be most of the time
)3) Alcantara steering wheel which not only looks and feels amazing, but should also provide better grip when those hands get sweaty... which once again in such a beastly vehicle they will
(for those concerned with the finish deteriorating, replacing alcantara isn't that expensive.)4) Finally, the suspension upgrade, which not only will enhance handling and performance, but also save you the money in the long run for upgrading the suspension.
In conclusion, the PP is SUCH a good deal, I don't understand why anybody buying the car (aside from those just getting it for the AMG badge) would not opt for it.
P.S. If you are even remotely considering upgrading the power of the 63, then points 1, 2 and 4 are especially valid.
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It's confirmed. I'm getting it.
...AND I will be doing mods (most likely VRP570 with ECU, possibly airbox and filters, headers, and custom exhaust)...
Thanks for all the replies.
...AND I will be doing mods (most likely VRP570 with ECU, possibly airbox and filters, headers, and custom exhaust)...
Thanks for all the replies.
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