Rock

Andy from MHP just sent me his newest numbers from Norwalk Raceway.

Congrats!!!! That is smoking.

I am starting to like that whole 63 thing.

Glock Guru

So is that on the new V2 tune?

-Troy

paulGT3

It would be cool if someone would test this car on the track. If I wanted a dragster I would have bought a HEMI!!! This is a sports sedan.

Glock Guru

+1

Earlyapex

I just got mine yesturday! Obsidian on black interior with the performance package. I will take it to the track as soon as I get past the break in.

I love the sound of this thing!! It feels really quick. Really looking forward to leaning on it. I will take some some in car video and see how many M3's I can smoke at the next track day.

paulGT3

Kewl Early Its gonna be hard during that break it!!!

Congrats and can hardly wait for your review.

Earlyapex

I set off a couple of car alarms in my underground, office parking lot today with some gratuitous revs. Love the look on peoples faces when you drive by and hit the gas! This thing is going to be lots of fun.

MHP

Like it or not 1/4 mile testing is the best way to test the difference in performance of a tuning package. On an open track the driver plays a much greater role than any part of the car or other variable as compared to drag racing where a driver simply needs to slam the gas (at least in this case).

It's also one hell of a lot easier to get on a drag strip than it is finding an OT session around here.

Aside from that what makes you think our tuning won't kick *** on a track? We're the only ones that do 7A TCUs so our downshifts/upshifts are quicker/faster than anyone else's period.

MHP

Yes. We ended up going 12.024@118.78 actual or 11.97@119.31 corrected on the last pass. The second pass (the one Rock posted) was 12.029@118.18 correcting to a 11.94@118.99

Thanks
Andy

Derspeed

Where is MHP located?

MHP

Columbus, OH and Detroit, MI.

Thanks
Andy

paulGT3

I would just like to see some lap times I can relate to.

You very well could kick *** on a track.

I think your'e handicapped by being where you are at. If you were
in California you would have a bazillion tracks and there would be
an open track day at your request. There are drag days everywhere in
the country so given where you are at a drag strip is the lab you have to
use.

I my opinion if you were a big tuner out here you would go to the
drag strip optimize there,then you would have a hot shoe you employ
and you would head to your home track. You would have telemetry data
for every lap out there and you would do a whole day. You would then go back to the shop analyze the data and play with it whilst talking to your driver about
what corners the tune worked where and acceleration out of what corners worked best. You would then maybe hit the dyno. Then repeat.

Then after several iterations you would hit a final product.
Just remember I have been a flight test engineer for years. And a GT3 Owner (2) I am always going to be on the scientific side (read too harsh)

Andy to your credit you come on here and answer all comers without
any anger whatso ever. You are pretty professional in your demeanor.

MHP

Thanks Paul. In a perfect world I'd love to be able to do those things. Eventually I'll get some track time in, though again I'm not the best driver in the world.

paulGT3

Andy
youre always willing to work and test your product against anything esle
Kudos.

lomita

What is this corrected number criteria?

MHP

www.smokemup.com is the NHRA's official weather correction page. Essentially correcting every run, be it positive or negative DA (density altitude) to sea level to give more accurate numbers for comparison from various tracks with differing weather and altitude from around the country. Basically all times/traps are corrected to sea level.

MHP

Thanks Paul. We have nothing to hide and plan on being around for a long time.

Andy

AMGC60-3

Holy schnookies, thats really fast, congrats Andy!!!

bluert

Wow, congrats.. This is with headers/exhaust and tune?
M5 and CTS-V better watch out...

MHP

Just filters, thermal intake gaskets, ECU/TCU tuning on a 3500 mile car. No headers/exhaust/CAI, etc.

Thanks
Andy

RM-6302

Great ***** of fire! Those are two super runs. I have a few questions for you, Andy.

1. How much of the 1/4 mile time would you attribute to your TCU tuning?

2. How do the stock components hold up to the increase in power and torque?

3. Do you know what a responsible limit would be for increasing pwr/trq, ie. 450 rwhp/rwtq? I would like a strong tune, but maintaining the integrity of the other driveline components is just as important as big numbers & fast 1/4 mile runs.

Thanks in advance.

Tom

JosephLINY-E55

Nice runs, awesome times Andy!!!

MHP

Thanks Joseph!

MHP

Tom,

1) It's hard to say since our ECU/TCU work together. Without our TCU a simple short shift in the 1-2 can kill a pass instantly, not to mention how much quicker/faster the upshifts are, and how much the reduced TCU torque management adds. I guess what I'm trying to say is I can't say for sure. The package was designed to work together.

2) We created v2 tuning with the typical owner/enthusiast in mind--that person being one that doesn't want to push the limits of the driveline nor deal with driveline warranty related issues. We feel the engine/trans are entirely capable of holding up to the power we're making with v2 without any issues. v3 will push the trans harder but still not to the point of failure, again, that's why I'll be testing it in my own car.

3) The trans is the limiting factor here, there is no such cap on the engine. With that being said I don't see anyone hurting the 7A with a N/A stock longblock. The two major factors in the death of a trans are rpm and torque. Even with H/C I don't see these motors making enough tq to kill one. Now if you decide to spray a 6.2 or H/C 6.2, we'll have to leave a lot more tq management in the ECU/TCU to preserve the trans.
This is the benefit to 100% custom tuning, each application we tune is optimized to it's full potential without risk of hurting anything.

Thanks
Andy

ShanSL350

Paul sorry but you want to slate Andy as though he's not a "big tuner" your words. But how many of the so called big tuners have given us any data so far????

Test engineer or whatever?????

You want data from a track?? From what i have seen none of the tuners BRABUS included have even produced a Dyno map run from stock let alone tuned???

IMHO Andy is the only tuner that has HONESTLY shown forum users his real data?

Please correct me if i am wrong?

The data we have seen from other tuners is not convincing as they have just given us just Dyno runs which imho dont mean anything without a timed run???

What i personally would like to see is runs on the strip as for me its the only thing that means anything????

If anyone out there can tell me that by looking at a graph they can tell the car is quicker then i stand corrected? As imho its just a graph and as such is at the scrutiny of all concerned???

I am no master in analysing DYNO runs but a run on the strip does not lie.

As many owners have said what i would really like to see is a stock C63 V a Modded C63

Me personally, I am not willing to pay $000's of dollars or pounds for a dyno sheet to boast about down at the pub/bar. i want to know that what i am paying for will give me real gains.

I want to know that a tune will be giving me considerably more power than stock.

Feel free to flame me, and hit down on me but if any genuine C63 owner feels any diiferent i would love to know why?

IMO we all want the 70BHP that has been taken away from us????

As mentioned tracks involve driver input we want timed runs.........