v2 RWHP/RWTQ Gains v Stock Broken Down Per RPM
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v2 RWHP/RWTQ Gains v Stock Broken Down Per RPM
As we all know the quickest/fastest cars make the most avg HP and TQ, not just highest peak power. Dyno Jet SAE correction, fifth gear, smoothing set at 5, straight 93 octane fresh off the street and onto the dyno. Here are the delta gains for our C63 Stage I (Thermalnators, Filters, ECU/TCU v2) v stock per 100rpm:
RPM x 1000 rwhp rwtq
2.30 +6.26 +14.21
2.40 +9.53 +20.87
2.50 +7.62 +16.03
2.60 +9.16 +18.51
2.70 +10.52 +20.46
2.80 +14.00 +26.25
2.90 +13.19 +23.90
3.00 +13.99 +24.48
3.10 +11.99 +20.33
3.20 +14.11 +23.15
3.30 +15.19 +24.17
3.40 +17.54 +27.11
3.50 +14.67 +22.02
3.60 +15.83 +23.08
3.70 +18.03 +25.60
3.80 +19.60 +27.09
3.90 +21.92 +23.56
4.00 +23.56 +30.93
4.10 +24.79 +31.75
4.20 +23.34 +29.20
4.30 +23.48 +28.67
4.40 +22.68 +27.09
4.50 +22.98 +26.82
4.60 +24.34 +27.80
4.70 +23.08 +24.81
4.80 +25.47 +27.86
4.90 +27.99 +29.99
5.00 +29.59 +31.09
5.10 +28.06 +28.90
5.20 +25.39 +25.65
5.30 +34.56 +34.24
5.40 +38.26 +37.21
5.50 +46.10 +44.02
5.60 +51.08 +47.91
5.70 +51.01 +47.00
5.80 +50.71 +45.91
5.90 +56.45 +50.26
6.00 +59.77 +52.32
6.10 +63.13 +54.36
6.20 +62.08 +52.57
6.30 +65.58 +54.68
6.40 +63.39 +52.01
6.50 +65.36 +52.81
6.60 +61.12 +48.63
6.70 Data Past this point N/A for the stock pull.
Gains derived from the raw data below:
v2:
Dynojet Research Inc.
RunFile_010.drf: 68.89 °F 29.36 in-Hg Humidity: 30 % SAE: 0.99 Average Gear Ratio: 38.00
RPM x1000 hp ft-lbs
2.30 145.83 332.92
2.40 157.10 343.80
2.50 162.95 342.34
2.60 171.85 347.14
2.70 180.83 351.75
2.80 189.65 355.73
2.90 198.25 359.04
3.00 208.70 365.36
3.10 215.55 365.19
3.20 227.33 373.10
3.30 237.69 378.29
3.40 247.67 382.59
3.50 254.62 382.09
3.60 265.63 387.53
3.70 272.97 387.49
3.80 283.84 392.30
3.90 290.80 391.63
4.00 300.28 394.27
4.10 307.00 393.26
4.20 314.60 393.43
4.30 325.97 398.14
4.40 330.39 394.38
4.50 337.34 393.72
4.60 343.74 392.48
4.70 352.99 394.47
4.80 363.45 397.68
4.90 372.36 399.11
5.00 380.35 399.53
5.10 383.62 395.07
5.20 386.48 390.36
5.30 401.73 398.10
5.40 406.19 395.06
5.50 411.11 392.58
5.60 412.57 386.94
5.70 414.92 382.31
5.80 421.47 381.65
5.90 426.05 379.26
6.00 428.50 375.09
6.10 431.28 371.34
6.20 432.04 365.98
6.30 435.15 362.77
6.40 433.23 355.53
6.50 431.35 348.54
6.60 429.99 342.17
6.70 428.71 336.07
6.80 428.50 330.96
6.90 424.12 322.84
7.00 345.74 259.38
--------- --------- ---------
MAX: 7.00 435.15 399.53
MIN: 2.30 145.83 259.38
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Stock
RunFile_007.drf: 75.35 °F 29.52 in-Hg Humidity: 24 % SAE: 1.00 Average Gear Ratio: 38.01
RPM x 1000 hp ft-lbs
2.30 139.57 318.71
2.40 147.57 322.93
2.50 155.33 326.31
2.60 162.69 328.63
2.70 170.31 331.29
2.80 175.65 329.48
2.90 185.06 335.14
3.00 194.71 340.88
3.10 203.56 344.86
3.20 213.22 349.95
3.30 222.50 354.12
3.40 230.13 355.48
3.50 239.95 360.07
3.60 249.80 364.45
3.70 254.94 361.89
3.80 264.24 365.21
3.90 268.88 362.09
4.00 276.72 363.34
4.10 282.21 361.51
4.20 291.26 364.23
4.30 302.49 369.47
4.40 307.71 367.29
4.50 314.36 366.90
4.60 319.40 364.68
4.70 329.91 368.66
4.80 337.98 369.82
4.90 344.37 369.12
5.00 350.76 368.44
5.10 355.56 366.17
5.20 361.09 364.71
5.30 367.17 363.86
5.40 367.93 357.85
5.50 365.01 348.56
5.60 361.48 339.03
5.70 363.91 335.31
5.80 370.76 335.74
5.90 369.59 329.00
6.00 368.73 322.77
6.10 368.15 316.98
6.20 369.96 313.41
6.30 369.57 308.09
6.40 369.86 303.52
6.50 365.99 295.73
6.60 368.87 293.54
6.70 209.52 164.28
RPM x 1000 rwhp rwtq
2.30 +6.26 +14.21
2.40 +9.53 +20.87
2.50 +7.62 +16.03
2.60 +9.16 +18.51
2.70 +10.52 +20.46
2.80 +14.00 +26.25
2.90 +13.19 +23.90
3.00 +13.99 +24.48
3.10 +11.99 +20.33
3.20 +14.11 +23.15
3.30 +15.19 +24.17
3.40 +17.54 +27.11
3.50 +14.67 +22.02
3.60 +15.83 +23.08
3.70 +18.03 +25.60
3.80 +19.60 +27.09
3.90 +21.92 +23.56
4.00 +23.56 +30.93
4.10 +24.79 +31.75
4.20 +23.34 +29.20
4.30 +23.48 +28.67
4.40 +22.68 +27.09
4.50 +22.98 +26.82
4.60 +24.34 +27.80
4.70 +23.08 +24.81
4.80 +25.47 +27.86
4.90 +27.99 +29.99
5.00 +29.59 +31.09
5.10 +28.06 +28.90
5.20 +25.39 +25.65
5.30 +34.56 +34.24
5.40 +38.26 +37.21
5.50 +46.10 +44.02
5.60 +51.08 +47.91
5.70 +51.01 +47.00
5.80 +50.71 +45.91
5.90 +56.45 +50.26
6.00 +59.77 +52.32
6.10 +63.13 +54.36
6.20 +62.08 +52.57
6.30 +65.58 +54.68
6.40 +63.39 +52.01
6.50 +65.36 +52.81
6.60 +61.12 +48.63
6.70 Data Past this point N/A for the stock pull.
Gains derived from the raw data below:
v2:
Dynojet Research Inc.
RunFile_010.drf: 68.89 °F 29.36 in-Hg Humidity: 30 % SAE: 0.99 Average Gear Ratio: 38.00
RPM x1000 hp ft-lbs
2.30 145.83 332.92
2.40 157.10 343.80
2.50 162.95 342.34
2.60 171.85 347.14
2.70 180.83 351.75
2.80 189.65 355.73
2.90 198.25 359.04
3.00 208.70 365.36
3.10 215.55 365.19
3.20 227.33 373.10
3.30 237.69 378.29
3.40 247.67 382.59
3.50 254.62 382.09
3.60 265.63 387.53
3.70 272.97 387.49
3.80 283.84 392.30
3.90 290.80 391.63
4.00 300.28 394.27
4.10 307.00 393.26
4.20 314.60 393.43
4.30 325.97 398.14
4.40 330.39 394.38
4.50 337.34 393.72
4.60 343.74 392.48
4.70 352.99 394.47
4.80 363.45 397.68
4.90 372.36 399.11
5.00 380.35 399.53
5.10 383.62 395.07
5.20 386.48 390.36
5.30 401.73 398.10
5.40 406.19 395.06
5.50 411.11 392.58
5.60 412.57 386.94
5.70 414.92 382.31
5.80 421.47 381.65
5.90 426.05 379.26
6.00 428.50 375.09
6.10 431.28 371.34
6.20 432.04 365.98
6.30 435.15 362.77
6.40 433.23 355.53
6.50 431.35 348.54
6.60 429.99 342.17
6.70 428.71 336.07
6.80 428.50 330.96
6.90 424.12 322.84
7.00 345.74 259.38
--------- --------- ---------
MAX: 7.00 435.15 399.53
MIN: 2.30 145.83 259.38
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stock
RunFile_007.drf: 75.35 °F 29.52 in-Hg Humidity: 24 % SAE: 1.00 Average Gear Ratio: 38.01
RPM x 1000 hp ft-lbs
2.30 139.57 318.71
2.40 147.57 322.93
2.50 155.33 326.31
2.60 162.69 328.63
2.70 170.31 331.29
2.80 175.65 329.48
2.90 185.06 335.14
3.00 194.71 340.88
3.10 203.56 344.86
3.20 213.22 349.95
3.30 222.50 354.12
3.40 230.13 355.48
3.50 239.95 360.07
3.60 249.80 364.45
3.70 254.94 361.89
3.80 264.24 365.21
3.90 268.88 362.09
4.00 276.72 363.34
4.10 282.21 361.51
4.20 291.26 364.23
4.30 302.49 369.47
4.40 307.71 367.29
4.50 314.36 366.90
4.60 319.40 364.68
4.70 329.91 368.66
4.80 337.98 369.82
4.90 344.37 369.12
5.00 350.76 368.44
5.10 355.56 366.17
5.20 361.09 364.71
5.30 367.17 363.86
5.40 367.93 357.85
5.50 365.01 348.56
5.60 361.48 339.03
5.70 363.91 335.31
5.80 370.76 335.74
5.90 369.59 329.00
6.00 368.73 322.77
6.10 368.15 316.98
6.20 369.96 313.41
6.30 369.57 308.09
6.40 369.86 303.52
6.50 365.99 295.73
6.60 368.87 293.54
6.70 209.52 164.28
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'09 C63 Performance Package - Steel Grey/Sahara Biege
[QUOTE=MHP;3124383]As we all know the quickest/fastest cars make the most avg HP and TQ, not just highest peak power. Dyno Jet SAE correction, fifth gear, smoothing set at 5, straight 93 octane fresh off the street and onto the dyno. Here are the delta gains for our C63 Stage I (Thermalnators, Filters, ECU/TCU v2) v stock per 100rpm:
QUOTE]
Great stuff. I put the information side-by-side so I could analyze it better, it might help out. Not sure of the nuance at 6700 (Stock Rev limiter or fuel/ignition timing), but that's where the V2 really nails it...still pulling.
I think the "Average" numbers are the most telling; i.e. area under the curve. The V2 has, on average, 34 more HP and 36 more Ft/lbs of TQ across the range. Fantastic results.
What is also interesting is the Max Difference between the two sets. Approximately 65 HP and 30 TQ. Nice job...
QUOTE]
Great stuff. I put the information side-by-side so I could analyze it better, it might help out. Not sure of the nuance at 6700 (Stock Rev limiter or fuel/ignition timing), but that's where the V2 really nails it...still pulling.
I think the "Average" numbers are the most telling; i.e. area under the curve. The V2 has, on average, 34 more HP and 36 more Ft/lbs of TQ across the range. Fantastic results.
What is also interesting is the Max Difference between the two sets. Approximately 65 HP and 30 TQ. Nice job...
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Did you use Excel or something similar? LOL, I've got to learn how to use that at some point.
As we all know the quickest/fastest cars make the most avg HP and TQ, not just highest peak power. Dyno Jet SAE correction, fifth gear, smoothing set at 5, straight 93 octane fresh off the street and onto the dyno. Here are the delta gains for our C63 Stage I (Thermalnators, Filters, ECU/TCU v2) v stock per 100rpm:
QUOTE]
Great stuff. I put the information side-by-side so I could analyze it better, it might help out. Not sure of the nuance at 6700 (Stock Rev limiter or fuel/ignition timing), but that's where the V2 really nails it...still pulling.
I think the "Average" numbers are the most telling; i.e. area under the curve. The V2 has, on average, 34 more HP and 36 more Ft/lbs of TQ across the range. Fantastic results.
What is also interesting is the Max Difference between the two sets. Approximately 65 HP and 30 TQ. Nice job...
QUOTE]
Great stuff. I put the information side-by-side so I could analyze it better, it might help out. Not sure of the nuance at 6700 (Stock Rev limiter or fuel/ignition timing), but that's where the V2 really nails it...still pulling.
I think the "Average" numbers are the most telling; i.e. area under the curve. The V2 has, on average, 34 more HP and 36 more Ft/lbs of TQ across the range. Fantastic results.
What is also interesting is the Max Difference between the two sets. Approximately 65 HP and 30 TQ. Nice job...
Did you use Excel or something similar? LOL, I've got to learn how to use that at some point.
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Andy Excel is SO easy to use that once you can master its graphing tools you can look at your data a whole nuther way!!
You'll start getting ideas on how to produce more data in different forms.
Just dont get carried away!!
You'll start getting ideas on how to produce more data in different forms.
Just dont get carried away!!
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Andy,
First of all, your have done fabulous work with your tune and your postings are the most informative I have ever seen. Tomorrow I am going to Kleeman to get their tune (I live 40 mins from them in CO). Cost is the primary factor. Secondly, it is well suited to how I drive my car. Having said that, all evidence points to your tune as probably the best one out there. I wish it was more affordable for me, but seeing how much work you've done with it, I can see justification in your fees. As a point of reference, I will post my before and after dyno's for all to see. Perhaps in the future, I will be able to "upgrade" to your tune!
Thanks for all the great information you've shared with us all!
First of all, your have done fabulous work with your tune and your postings are the most informative I have ever seen. Tomorrow I am going to Kleeman to get their tune (I live 40 mins from them in CO). Cost is the primary factor. Secondly, it is well suited to how I drive my car. Having said that, all evidence points to your tune as probably the best one out there. I wish it was more affordable for me, but seeing how much work you've done with it, I can see justification in your fees. As a point of reference, I will post my before and after dyno's for all to see. Perhaps in the future, I will be able to "upgrade" to your tune!
Thanks for all the great information you've shared with us all!
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[QUOTE=MHP;3126271]
Yeah Andy, I used Excel. Trying to help out any way I can to earn myself a discount LOL. Like the previous poster, I am torn between MHP and Kleeman only for cost and tenure reasons...however I am not making any decisions until I hit 1000 miles and MIR is behind us!
Feel free to shoot me any future data and I can do the same. (If you want the Excel file, I can send it to you via email if you shoot me your address. You could potentially use it as a template.)
I actually used the numbers last night to compare to some youtube videos. I wanted to see where the tach dropped at the bottom of an upshift and compare that to the figures. Kudos to MB for their gearing...it seems to drop right into the sweet spot of the torque at about 5000 rpms.
Feel free to shoot me any future data and I can do the same. (If you want the Excel file, I can send it to you via email if you shoot me your address. You could potentially use it as a template.)
I actually used the numbers last night to compare to some youtube videos. I wanted to see where the tach dropped at the bottom of an upshift and compare that to the figures. Kudos to MB for their gearing...it seems to drop right into the sweet spot of the torque at about 5000 rpms.
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Yeah Andy, I used Excel. Trying to help out any way I can to earn myself a discount LOL. Like the previous poster, I am torn between MHP and Kleeman only for cost and tenure reasons...however I am not making any decisions until I hit 1000 miles and MIR is behind us!
Feel free to shoot me any future data and I can do the same. (If you want the Excel file, I can send it to you via email if you shoot me your address. You could potentially use it as a template.)
I actually used the numbers last night to compare to some youtube videos. I wanted to see where the tach dropped at the bottom of an upshift and compare that to the figures. Kudos to MB for their gearing...it seems to drop right into the sweet spot of the torque at about 5000 rpms.
Awesome and thank you. Would you mind sending the file to sales@modernnhorsepower.com we would greatly appreciate it. 
Yeah Andy, I used Excel. Trying to help out any way I can to earn myself a discount LOL. Like the previous poster, I am torn between MHP and Kleeman only for cost and tenure reasons...however I am not making any decisions until I hit 1000 miles and MIR is behind us!
Feel free to shoot me any future data and I can do the same. (If you want the Excel file, I can send it to you via email if you shoot me your address. You could potentially use it as a template.)
I actually used the numbers last night to compare to some youtube videos. I wanted to see where the tach dropped at the bottom of an upshift and compare that to the figures. Kudos to MB for their gearing...it seems to drop right into the sweet spot of the torque at about 5000 rpms.
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Andy,
First of all, your have done fabulous work with your tune and your postings are the most informative I have ever seen. Tomorrow I am going to Kleeman to get their tune (I live 40 mins from them in CO). Cost is the primary factor. Secondly, it is well suited to how I drive my car. Having said that, all evidence points to your tune as probably the best one out there. I wish it was more affordable for me, but seeing how much work you've done with it, I can see justification in your fees. As a point of reference, I will post my before and after dyno's for all to see. Perhaps in the future, I will be able to "upgrade" to your tune!
Thanks for all the great information you've shared with us all!
First of all, your have done fabulous work with your tune and your postings are the most informative I have ever seen. Tomorrow I am going to Kleeman to get their tune (I live 40 mins from them in CO). Cost is the primary factor. Secondly, it is well suited to how I drive my car. Having said that, all evidence points to your tune as probably the best one out there. I wish it was more affordable for me, but seeing how much work you've done with it, I can see justification in your fees. As a point of reference, I will post my before and after dyno's for all to see. Perhaps in the future, I will be able to "upgrade" to your tune!
Thanks for all the great information you've shared with us all!
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