AMG should make manual cars.....
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AMG should make manual cars.....
I always wondered why AMG never made manual cars. This is such a turn off compared to BMW. I have driven a C63 and my brother has a Stage 2 E55 both breathaking accelaration....But you will never get that driver car connection with a stick to bang out gears in that is just me what you guys think?!....
And by the way I despise SMG so I am not trying to be biased....
And by the way I despise SMG so I am not trying to be biased....
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I have no complaints on the 7-speed auto, but it would be nice if consumers were given a choice. Actually, if MB did anything at all about their transmission for the C63, my wish would be that they'd give it the MCT with launch control.
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I always wondered why AMG never made manual cars. This is such a turn off compared to BMW. I have driven a C63 and my brother has a Stage 2 E55 both breathaking accelaration....But you will never get that driver car connection with a stick to bang out gears in that is just me what you guys think?!....And by the way I despise SMG so I am not trying to be biased....
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Personally I drive a C63 because of how great the auto tranny is. I got hooked on the dynamic quality of the AMG auto's first with the C32, then the C55, and now my C63.
These transmissions do exactly what I would want them to do. I have plenty of opportunity to shift in other cars. I don't miss it at all. Plus in a street gunfight the auto does as well as any manual transmission and allows you to drive. I suspect that we would not see such wonderful results on the dragstrip with these cars if they were manuals.
If BMW M made an auto box as good as the AMG cars I would probably still be driving that brand. The BMW M driving dynamics are still better than the AMG cars. Although the C63 comes close.
These transmissions do exactly what I would want them to do. I have plenty of opportunity to shift in other cars. I don't miss it at all. Plus in a street gunfight the auto does as well as any manual transmission and allows you to drive. I suspect that we would not see such wonderful results on the dragstrip with these cars if they were manuals.
If BMW M made an auto box as good as the AMG cars I would probably still be driving that brand. The BMW M driving dynamics are still better than the AMG cars. Although the C63 comes close.
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From a performance standpoint a correctly build Auto is faster. Straight manuals have lag time with the clutch.
AMG is working on an automatically shifted manual gearbox though. Similar to SMG i guess you could say. This would provide the better fuel economy that has been talked about for a year from AMG since manual gearboxes are more efficient it power transfer. I just wouldn't expect the clutch pedal to appear in any up coming AMG's.
AMG is working on an automatically shifted manual gearbox though. Similar to SMG i guess you could say. This would provide the better fuel economy that has been talked about for a year from AMG since manual gearboxes are more efficient it power transfer. I just wouldn't expect the clutch pedal to appear in any up coming AMG's.
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I can't comment about why they never made them in the past, but manuals are dinosaurs and will soon be found only in a a museum too.
The new auto trannys (regardless of name) are much faster and lower maintenance.
The new auto trannys (regardless of name) are much faster and lower maintenance.
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But manual will never be replaced by any technology, even though computers shift faster than humans do.
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It's not about which transmission shifts faster, its about driver involvment and the ability to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuoZeuSgEj4
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I completely agree that a true manual offers a connection between driver and car that can't be duplicated with an auto, SMG, MCT, etc. That being said there is only a small pecentage of drivewrs that really know how to extract the best from a manual car and execute perfectly timed heel/toe downshifts, etc. I have had plenty of both types of car and enjoy them both, but must agree that the three pedal manual is slowly disappearing and will be a distant memory in the years to come. The AMG auto is very good at sensing how I want to drive and changing the shifting based on it.
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As stated above most drivers do not / can not drive a full manual car to it's highest performance. It takes a lot of driving and experience with the same car to master heal toe and get good downshifts along with smooth braking. But that doesn't even touch the problem with shift time during upshifts. There is nothing around that other than making a sequential dog box.
And even when they can it does not beat an automatic especially when the "automatic" is a manual gearbox electronically controlled. AMG is not to that point YET. But they will be in the future.
Dont' get me wrong Manuals are fun and entertaining. But from a "Performance Brand" point of view their automatics are faster. That is what AMG tunes for. Hence the same reason why clutch pedals are dissappearing out of more and more cars as also mentioned before.
And even when they can it does not beat an automatic especially when the "automatic" is a manual gearbox electronically controlled. AMG is not to that point YET. But they will be in the future.
Dont' get me wrong Manuals are fun and entertaining. But from a "Performance Brand" point of view their automatics are faster. That is what AMG tunes for. Hence the same reason why clutch pedals are dissappearing out of more and more cars as also mentioned before.
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AMG is a for profit entity so I doubt that they would offer a manual transmission. I think they would lose money on certifying those for all of the US market regs. Market for manuals in AMG cars would be razor thin.
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I didn't realize so many mustang and camaro owners got better jobs and bought AMG mercedes.
Im sorry, performance is not judged by quarter mile times alone.
Any person that would take an automatic (not an automated manual) over a manual transmission for a twisty set of roads is nuts.
Also, in terms of maintenance, I don't see how an automated manual would be cheaper or require less servicing than a manual driven by an experienced driver.
Many of the cars with these whiz bang auto-manuals don't seem to have very good clutch life compared to true manuals. In fact, I don't think that I, or anyone in my family, has had to replace a clutch on any vehicle for wear with under 100k miles on it.
Im sorry, performance is not judged by quarter mile times alone.
Any person that would take an automatic (not an automated manual) over a manual transmission for a twisty set of roads is nuts.
Also, in terms of maintenance, I don't see how an automated manual would be cheaper or require less servicing than a manual driven by an experienced driver.
Many of the cars with these whiz bang auto-manuals don't seem to have very good clutch life compared to true manuals. In fact, I don't think that I, or anyone in my family, has had to replace a clutch on any vehicle for wear with under 100k miles on it.
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Also, getting a tranny to handle a piddly 450lb ft of torque is nothing. Call up Tremec and they can have a Tr-6060 to any MB factory in the world in a day or two. Same tranny is in the z06 and ZR1 vettes, the GT500 mustang, and the new Vipers.
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Forever, I never even looked at Mercedes because they had no manuals. I much prefer a manual (don't care about shift times, lag, etc.). Manual is much more fun around corners and twisty roads. However, I am now a proud owner of the C63 because BMW made such a lame effort in improving the M3. Even without the manual the C63 is way more fun than the M3 will ever be.
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I always wondered why AMG never made manual cars. This is such a turn off compared to BMW. I have driven a C63 and my brother has a Stage 2 E55 both breathaking accelaration....But you will never get that driver car connection with a stick to bang out gears in that is just me what you guys think?!....And by the way I despise SMG so I am not trying to be biased....
And by the way I despise SMG so I am not trying to be biased....Just my opinnion...
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Just like the analog audio vs digital audio debates in the past - it's amazing how long die-hard audiophiles clung to vinyl.
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