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Old 04-30-2009, 04:28 PM
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Pirelli PZero vs. BFGoodrich g-Force KDW: Are they screwing me over?

I had recently bought a preowned 2008 C63 with 700 miles on it. The thread on the stock tires were completly gone. I had noticed this 2 days after I had purchased the car. What the previous owner did to the car in the first 700 miles, I can leave that for discussion in another thread.

My question is this:
I went to Mercedes and told them, "I have just purchased a basically brand new car, and the tires are in this condition? I want the tires replaced."

They happily did it.

When I got the car back, they had 4 BFGoodrick g-Force KDW on the car. They are all the same stock size: 235/40/18 in front and 255/35/18 in the rear.

How are these tires compared to the stock ones I was supposed to get? Are these tires worse than the stock ones? Did they do me a favor and get me better tires? If not, I would like to know so I can go back to them and find out why I didnt get the factory tires put on the car.
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Looks like you got longer life less grip tires. The question of better depends on what you want. If you want longer wear then you got better. If you want grip you got worse.
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Looks like you got longer life less grip tires. The question of better depends on what you want. If you want longer wear then you got better. If you want grip you got worse.
What I was looking for was softer tire (which means more grip and shorter life) and stiff sidewalls (which allows the car to handle better).

With your comment, it seems I didn't get what I wanted.
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Some people have a problem with them, but, by far bar none the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 are the best tire I have ever owned. Any street tire that allows a 1.899 60 foot is a great tire imo
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Some people have a problem with them, but, by far bar none the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 are the best tire I have ever owned. Any street tire that allows a 1.899 60 foot is a great tire imo
I am running Nexen N3000 275/35 which cost $150 a piece mounted, balanced including sales tax and I have a 1.861 60 on them. Nearly 4000 miles and minimal tread wear.
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I am running Nexen N3000 275/35 which cost $150 a piece mounted, balanced including sales tax and I have a 1.861 60 on them. Nearly 4000 miles and minimal tread wear.
Does are GANNA be my next pair of tires.
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my friend ran his stock c63 with his stock tire and got a 60 foot of 1.820 and ran a 12.200 at 114.mhp it all depends on the driver and track prep
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I have the KDW2s, they are GREAT TIRES. And are well suited to a platform like the C63. They have SUPERB wet traction, and I have yet to actually get them to shake loose at all.
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Whether they are good tires or cheap, I couldn’t help you there...

BUT, my dealer gave me crap when they saw my new tires, Yokohama's in the rear and the stock Pirelli’s up front. They said its bad to have different tires on the front and back, and that the only "APPROVED" tires for this car are the Pirelli's and Michelin's... Since your dealer gave you those, something sounds fishy...
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Originally Posted by DaGS1800
Whether they are good tires or cheap, I couldn’t help you there...

BUT, my dealer gave me crap when they saw my new tires, Yokohama's in the rear and the stock Pirelli’s up front. They said its bad to have different tires on the front and back, and that the only "APPROVED" tires for this car are the Pirelli's and Michelin's... Since your dealer gave you those, something sounds fishy...
Go to another dealer that one just wants to milk you for u money.
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Originally Posted by DaGS1800
Whether they are good tires or cheap, I couldn’t help you there...

BUT, my dealer gave me crap when they saw my new tires, Yokohama's in the rear and the stock Pirelli’s up front. They said its bad to have different tires on the front and back, and that the only "APPROVED" tires for this car are the Pirelli's and Michelin's... Since your dealer gave you those, something sounds fishy...
Only negative I have heard is from a friend running them is that they have gotten quite noisy in a short 3000 Klm. I was in his car recently (CLK63) and I must say they were loud.
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Originally Posted by DaGS1800
Whether they are good tires or cheap, I couldn’t help you there...

BUT, my dealer gave me crap when they saw my new tires, Yokohama's in the rear and the stock Pirelli’s up front. They said its bad to have different tires on the front and back, and that the only "APPROVED" tires for this car are the Pirelli's and Michelin's... Since your dealer gave you those, something sounds fishy...
BFGoodrich is a wholly owned subsidiary of Michelin.
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Originally Posted by hhughes1
I am running Nexen N3000 275/35 which cost $150 a piece mounted, balanced including sales tax and I have a 1.861 60 on them. Nearly 4000 miles and minimal tread wear.
hhughes, how do you like the Nexen N3000? I need to order some tires soon and these look great. Also, how well do the 275 fit on the rear?
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Originally Posted by ahmadhasib
What I was looking for was softer tire (which means more grip and shorter life) and stiff sidewalls (which allows the car to handle better).

With your comment, it seems I didn't get what I wanted.
If you want softer better grip and don't care about life then I recommend the following two tires.

Yokohama A048R - I put these on my stock 18 rims about a week ago and the grip is outstanding. I did go with 265 rear instead of 255 as they did not come in 255. They have a 80 tread wear rating so don't expect them to last all that long. I'll let you know how long mine last once I burn through them. I was able to get about 6k out of the stock Pzeros to give you an idea.

Toyo R888 - I have a set on order for my new 19 HRE rims. A buddy of mine just put them on his car a week ago and said best tire he has ever ran. Again tread rating of 80 so not long lasting.

Neither of these tires will last very long but again if you want soft and sticky these are the top two in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by ahmadhasib
I had recently bought a preowned 2008 C63 with 700 miles on it. The thread on the stock tires were completly gone. I had noticed this 2 days after I had purchased the car. What the previous owner did to the car in the first 700 miles, I can leave that for discussion in another thread.

My question is this:
I went to Mercedes and told them, "I have just purchased a basically brand new car, and the tires are in this condition? I want the tires replaced."

They happily did it.

When I got the car back, they had 4 BFGoodrick g-Force KDW on the car. They are all the same stock size: 235/40/18 in front and 255/35/18 in the rear.

How are these tires compared to the stock ones I was supposed to get? Are these tires worse than the stock ones? Did they do me a favor and get me better tires? If not, I would like to know so I can go back to them and find out why I didnt get the factory tires put on the car.
BFG g-Force KDW's are VERY VERY noisy..... I had them on my 350Z and after 2500 miles could not stand it anymore....wnet back to Bridgetstones... at the time...... I have Toyo's on the C63 right now and am VERY VERY happy with them..... I would ask the dealer to change the BFG's out... ASAP..
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Ugh P zeros? What kind the newer just p zero ones or rossos or what? the newer p zeros were eh. I had them on the 911 and were a downgrade from the kd's, and ps2's for that matter. I have no first hand knowledge about the kdw's but I'd say they're probably worse than the p zeros as they are a sacrificed wet type tire, no?

The best street tires I've run are as follows dunlop z stars, re11r's, kd's (old type). These are all super sticky and almost r compound tires. kd's are death in the wet. All aforementioned are so much better than anything mentioned. Ps2's are a waste of dough and are heavy. I like the z stars. Good bang for the buck. Get them to give you something else. I'd pick either z stars or re11r's if you can choose. If not and it's between zeros and kdw's, I'd get zeros, despite my affinity for the old kd's. The KD's however were a completely different tire. Kdw's are more for grandma I think. Go on tirerack and compare the tested specs numbers.

See here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Compar...8&startIndex=0

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in Europe got my c63 with pp package and conti sport 3 in 19inch and they are fine
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Wow contis are THE worst. I'd be pissed.
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BF Goodrich G-Force are medium compound tires (and noisy ones) which I don't think is suited for the power on the C63. Yes they have less grip than the stock Pirelli P Zero's. Having said that, Michelin's Pilot Sport PS 2 are fantastic tires for the street. Do also have a look at Bridgestone's Potenza range.

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