C63 doesn't have dual clutch transmission, right?
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C63 doesn't have dual clutch transmission, right?
One person at the dealership told me that the C63s do not come with a dual clutch transmission, is this right?
Then how fast are the shifts when compared to the IS-F and M3's dual clutch transmissions which take less than 100 milliseconds to shift gears? Any numbers on the shift time?
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I guess my question should be how fast is the AMG speedshift 7 in the C63 when compared to true dual clutch transmissions?
Forgive me for my ignorance if I am wrong. I have not tried shifting manually in sport mode as my car has yet to break in.
Then how fast are the shifts when compared to the IS-F and M3's dual clutch transmissions which take less than 100 milliseconds to shift gears? Any numbers on the shift time?
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I guess my question should be how fast is the AMG speedshift 7 in the C63 when compared to true dual clutch transmissions?
Forgive me for my ignorance if I am wrong. I have not tried shifting manually in sport mode as my car has yet to break in.
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These cars are awesome and fast but can you elaborate why it is easier to drive than an IS-F? The F does not have a dual clutch either, btw...just locks up the torque converter and rips off great shifts, esp in sport mode.
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I think it takes a little longer than that. I've only tried the M mode once in test drive and seen a bunch of videos on youtube where people recorded themselves driving in M mode. There is a noticable lag between shift pulling the paddle shifter and the gear change. If it was really just about 200 milliseconds (twice as long as IS-F or M3) it wouldn't have been so noticable. I would say that it takes around 300 milliseconds for the c63.
To those who say who cares, I care and many of you should too. Dual clutch trannys are the new way to go and if our car was equipped with it, the driving experience would be even better and the speed even faster. If the true shift time for the C63 is close to 300 milliseconds, a dual clutch tranny could shave off .2 seconds off the already massivley quick 3.9 seconds to 60 mph (3.7 seconds!
) and probably shave .2-.3 off the 1/4 mile (almost 12 second flat!).
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lol, I actually hope that doesn't happen then I'll have a inferior C63 on my hands. I would be pissed off. Probably won't happen with 2010s because they are about to be shipped and there hasn't been any annoucement. And I doubt Mercedes will throw it into their entry level AMG model before their flagship models all have it first.
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lol, I actually hope that doesn't happen then I'll have a inferior C63 on my hands. I would be pissed off. Probably won't happen with 2010s because they are about to be shipped and there hasn't been any annoucement. And I doubt Mercedes will throw it into their entry level AMG model before their flagship models all have it first.
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That so called "subpar" tranny is still one of the best in the world and I have not heard of any major problems with it, just ask some of the M3 boys about tranny problems.
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lol, I actually hope that doesn't happen then I'll have a inferior C63 on my hands. I would be pissed off. Probably won't happen with 2010s because they are about to be shipped and there hasn't been any annoucement. And I doubt Mercedes will throw it into their entry level AMG model before their flagship models all have it first.
The new E63 has it. They may do a mid year change like they did with my "04.5" Sport Packaged C320. Imagine, a C63 with PP (for the diff) and MCT + launch control!Oh yeah!
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I'm confused.... you bought the car and didn't know it has a traditional "slushbox"? 
You just realized this? 
The tranny was one of the things that drew me to the C63. Although the M3's M-DCT is brilliant there seem to be some bugs that some owners find dangerous... like a lag or stall. MB's new MCT isn't exactly trouble free either, just check the SL63 forum.
AFAIK VW-Audi's DSG is the only gearbox that so far has delivered reliable performance. The rest are still having teething pains. I wonder how Porsche's new unit will work out, I haven't read any longer-term reports yet....?
Yes I agree -- the delay between paddle pull and shift is long. But the more you use it, you'll start anticipating it and pull early. I usually just drive in S mode though... cuz it's a slushbox and that's what they do. Shift for you.
You just realized this? The tranny was one of the things that drew me to the C63. Although the M3's M-DCT is brilliant there seem to be some bugs that some owners find dangerous... like a lag or stall. MB's new MCT isn't exactly trouble free either, just check the SL63 forum.
AFAIK VW-Audi's DSG is the only gearbox that so far has delivered reliable performance. The rest are still having teething pains. I wonder how Porsche's new unit will work out, I haven't read any longer-term reports yet....?
Yes I agree -- the delay between paddle pull and shift is long. But the more you use it, you'll start anticipating it and pull early. I usually just drive in S mode though... cuz it's a slushbox and that's what they do. Shift for you.
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Audi/VW DSG does not work well with chipped cars. It sometimes creates a hard jerk when shifting and you later learn how to throttle around it. Not sure if they resolved it or not.
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It is likely there will not be any significant changes in the C63's equipment until facelift time for the W204 (which I suspect will be at the W204's 5th year of production......which is exactly what happened with the W203 during its 7 year run).
In my opinion, there are 2 key technology features which the C63 "lacks" in comparison to the E9X M3.......a responsive fast shifting automated/manual gearbox, and adjustable dampers to have the perfect balance between daiy driving and track duty. I suspect that when the W204 gets facelifted, the C63 will either get the 7 speed MCT (from the current SL63, new E63), or the upcoming AMG dual clutch gearbox in the SLS AMG.......(I suspect the C63 will get the MCT). Although the C63 already is quite a performer now, these 2 features will make it even more attractive. By then, any glitches with these new gearboxes hopefully will have been resolved.
When the W203 got facelifted, the C55 got a whole bunch of mechanical upgrades in the suspension/steering/transmission department compared to the C32 (which actually made a big difference in the handling department), so I suspect the same will happen with the W204 and C63.
In my opinion, there are 2 key technology features which the C63 "lacks" in comparison to the E9X M3.......a responsive fast shifting automated/manual gearbox, and adjustable dampers to have the perfect balance between daiy driving and track duty. I suspect that when the W204 gets facelifted, the C63 will either get the 7 speed MCT (from the current SL63, new E63), or the upcoming AMG dual clutch gearbox in the SLS AMG.......(I suspect the C63 will get the MCT). Although the C63 already is quite a performer now, these 2 features will make it even more attractive. By then, any glitches with these new gearboxes hopefully will have been resolved.
When the W203 got facelifted, the C55 got a whole bunch of mechanical upgrades in the suspension/steering/transmission department compared to the C32 (which actually made a big difference in the handling department), so I suspect the same will happen with the W204 and C63.
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It is likely there will not be any significant changes in the C63's equipment until facelift time for the W204 (which I suspect will be at the W204's 5th year of production......which is exactly what happened with the W203 during its 7 year run).
In my opinion, there are 2 key technology features which the C63 "lacks" in comparison to the E9X M3.......a responsive fast shifting automated/manual gearbox, and adjustable dampers to have the perfect balance between daiy driving and track duty. I suspect that when the W204 gets facelifted, the C63 will either get the 7 speed MCT (from the current SL63, new E63), or the upcoming AMG dual clutch gearbox in the SLS AMG.......(I suspect the C63 will get the MCT). Although the C63 already is quite a performer now, these 2 features will make it even more attractive. By then, any glitches with these new gearboxes hopefully will have been resolved.
When the W203 got facelifted, the C55 got a whole bunch of mechanical upgrades in the suspension/steering/transmission department compared to the C32 (which actually made a big difference in the handling department), so I suspect the same will happen with the W204 and C63.
In my opinion, there are 2 key technology features which the C63 "lacks" in comparison to the E9X M3.......a responsive fast shifting automated/manual gearbox, and adjustable dampers to have the perfect balance between daiy driving and track duty. I suspect that when the W204 gets facelifted, the C63 will either get the 7 speed MCT (from the current SL63, new E63), or the upcoming AMG dual clutch gearbox in the SLS AMG.......(I suspect the C63 will get the MCT). Although the C63 already is quite a performer now, these 2 features will make it even more attractive. By then, any glitches with these new gearboxes hopefully will have been resolved.
When the W203 got facelifted, the C55 got a whole bunch of mechanical upgrades in the suspension/steering/transmission department compared to the C32 (which actually made a big difference in the handling department), so I suspect the same will happen with the W204 and C63.
