MPH webpage?
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Here is what I had in my links (no idea how I found it). Also seems price went down.
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.htm
9000$ includes V3 tune with no cats and 9500$ catted
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.htm
9000$ includes V3 tune with no cats and 9500$ catted
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That is truly insane pricing. It's not like I am coming from the world of Chevys but even with my B6 S4s, it cost me less than half that amount for identical parts and S/W tuning. More power to them if they can sell it.
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Guys,
Its the limited production that makes these parts so danged expensive. I know first hand that the L/T headers are excellent quality and when you only make 25 sets you can't amortize out the R&D like you do with other brands. When you make 100 or even more sets you can expense out the R&D much easier. The MB performance world is a limited audience.
You can see by the performance numbers that the MHP L/T headers are the best in the industry. I know its not cheap but it is fun going fast!!
Its the limited production that makes these parts so danged expensive. I know first hand that the L/T headers are excellent quality and when you only make 25 sets you can't amortize out the R&D like you do with other brands. When you make 100 or even more sets you can expense out the R&D much easier. The MB performance world is a limited audience.
You can see by the performance numbers that the MHP L/T headers are the best in the industry. I know its not cheap but it is fun going fast!!
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hi Keith,
Right, basically we are paying for the R and D. It was that way in the 996 Porsche world (5 years ago headers and tune were 8K) and now that products have been around a while and costs are recouped, prices have come down.
It seems that the MHP tune and headers are providing the most power. However I am waiting about 2 years before I get into a C63 and hopefully by then the price will be lower. Its really impressive what these cars do w/ just the tune and headers.
Right, basically we are paying for the R and D. It was that way in the 996 Porsche world (5 years ago headers and tune were 8K) and now that products have been around a while and costs are recouped, prices have come down.
It seems that the MHP tune and headers are providing the most power. However I am waiting about 2 years before I get into a C63 and hopefully by then the price will be lower. Its really impressive what these cars do w/ just the tune and headers.
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i agree that the market is limited but there are more and more amg's being purchased every day . i would think that dropping prices to create more business is the way to go . i think that my c63 amg is very rare because it has forgeline wheels . i wouldn't try and sell it for $100,000 because of that . i agree that mhp is putting down big numbers with their products but they should focus on demand and not so much on supply . drop prices and watch the amount of business go up . look how many people went with the kleeman reflash because of the price . i would rather buy short headers for half the price and still be pretty quick . you can never be the quickest all the time . there is always someone who is going to be quicker than you . 
to mhp for creating a monster out of our cars . i am going with the looks factor first on my car . i will go with the power issue later after prices hopefully come down . i didn't want to have to sell a vehicle to pay for parts . 
to mhp for creating a monster out of our cars . i am going with the looks factor first on my car . i will go with the power issue later after prices hopefully come down . i didn't want to have to sell a vehicle to pay for parts .
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you guys seriously are getting screwed for lt headers and tunes in the usa. i thought we payed alot here in aus, but after looking at your prices, man, i feel for you all
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While prices for engine/exhaust parts are way up and need to settle down a bit, I prefer to wait and put some money on other parts that will also make a dramatic difference on the car: for example suspension, wheels, tires, brake pads, fluid upgrade/steel lines, LSD and other options.
Just ordered light 19" forged wheels for spring and KW V3 suspension. Probably work on the brakes a little bit for the track and going 255 in front and 285 back for tires. A good cheap upgrade is the upper strut bar and changing stock filers /removing carbon ones too will only add a few horses for really cheap.
My next move after will be an OS Gilken LSD and then I'd work on some serious power upgrades. The reason I wouldn't go with the K1 (which is the best bang for the buck mod by far) is that I'd probably go for the K3 or full MHP kit the next year, which I haven't decided yet but so far I would tend to go towards MHP - TCU tuning included and amazing headers (Renntech is good but my god if you think MHP is expensive wait until you check the Renntech prices...)
The thing I love the most about modifying cars is that you can really see each individual result on the track/street for each mod. It doesn't mean you don't need a preset plan so they all make sense in the end but it's a breath of fresh air every time.
Just my 2¢
Just ordered light 19" forged wheels for spring and KW V3 suspension. Probably work on the brakes a little bit for the track and going 255 in front and 285 back for tires. A good cheap upgrade is the upper strut bar and changing stock filers /removing carbon ones too will only add a few horses for really cheap.
My next move after will be an OS Gilken LSD and then I'd work on some serious power upgrades. The reason I wouldn't go with the K1 (which is the best bang for the buck mod by far) is that I'd probably go for the K3 or full MHP kit the next year, which I haven't decided yet but so far I would tend to go towards MHP - TCU tuning included and amazing headers (Renntech is good but my god if you think MHP is expensive wait until you check the Renntech prices...)
The thing I love the most about modifying cars is that you can really see each individual result on the track/street for each mod. It doesn't mean you don't need a preset plan so they all make sense in the end but it's a breath of fresh air every time.
Just my 2¢
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I would love to see the R&D that justifies $10k headers.
Let's be real, they are not reinventing the wheel. There are certain engineering principles that one can apply to the design of this part and 85% of the work is out of the way. The prices are high because the market will pay for it, at least a subset will, and the ASSUMPTION is that if someone is willing to pay $70k for a car they can afford $3k for a tune.
Ive never seen such exploitation of a group of consumers with so little interrogation done from them as to why its happening.
Let's be real, they are not reinventing the wheel. There are certain engineering principles that one can apply to the design of this part and 85% of the work is out of the way. The prices are high because the market will pay for it, at least a subset will, and the ASSUMPTION is that if someone is willing to pay $70k for a car they can afford $3k for a tune.
Ive never seen such exploitation of a group of consumers with so little interrogation done from them as to why its happening.
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I would love to see the R&D that justifies $10k headers.
Let's be real, they are not reinventing the wheel. There are certain engineering principles that one can apply to the design of this part and 85% of the work is out of the way. The prices are high because the market will pay for it, at least a subset will, and the ASSUMPTION is that if someone is willing to pay $70k for a car they can afford $3k for a tune.
Ive never seen such exploitation of a group of consumers with so little interrogation done from them as to why its happening.
Let's be real, they are not reinventing the wheel. There are certain engineering principles that one can apply to the design of this part and 85% of the work is out of the way. The prices are high because the market will pay for it, at least a subset will, and the ASSUMPTION is that if someone is willing to pay $70k for a car they can afford $3k for a tune.
Ive never seen such exploitation of a group of consumers with so little interrogation done from them as to why its happening.
We are totally taking it in the hoop as "63" owners when it comes to parts
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Hey guys..
Not sure if the website for MHP is working but I have been looking around for an ECU up-grade and LT Headers for the beast.
This is what I found so far –
MHP - $8995 (current sale price) “LT Headers & V3 ecu
100rwhp & 60rwtq SAE on 93 octane
Might get this done in a few months but hope this helps..
Not sure if the website for MHP is working but I have been looking around for an ECU up-grade and LT Headers for the beast.
This is what I found so far –
MHP - $8995 (current sale price) “LT Headers & V3 ecu
100rwhp & 60rwtq SAE on 93 octane
Might get this done in a few months but hope this helps..
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Silly me - Forgot to put the link that I used..
I think it's the same one that was previously posted.
$9300 for no cats and $9495 with cats.
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.html
I think it's the same one that was previously posted.
$9300 for no cats and $9495 with cats.
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.html
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Silly me - Forgot to put the link that I used..
I think it's the same one that was previously posted.
$9300 for no cats and $9495 with cats.
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.html
I think it's the same one that was previously posted.
$9300 for no cats and $9495 with cats.
http://www.modernhorsepower.com/c63-amg-exhaust.html
Website says $8,995 for SS LT's + V3 ECU tune.To some of the comments - I agree that it appears to be a lot of money, but DadsC63 makes some very good points above.
It's also important to note - no one is charging "$10k for headers" to the best of my knowledge. AFAIK, only two tuners are making true, full SS long-tube headers for C63's; evosport and MHP. evo's are $6k, and require a mandatory $3k tune = $9k for headers and tune. MHP also charges $9k for headers + tune. Objectively, MHP's track results have been 6/10ths quicker and almost 5 mph faster through the 1/4 mi - that's to-date, obviously those results aren't static and will change as new personal bests are posted from both camps.
Renntech charges $8300 for shorty headers + tune. Kleemann charges $4k for shorty hi-flow manifolds + tune.
Kleemann's obviously the best "bang for your buck" - you'd probably see diminishing returns as you spend more $$$, but the absolute performance level seems to significantly jump when moving up to true LTs. Just depends on the goals of the customer...
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Yes - Mistake - The price is $8995.00....
For the $ MHP is the best value as far as I can tell.
I did get the MHP ecu upgrade on my car. Pulls like a train.. Much more tq than stock and certainly more than Kleeman or Renntech offered.. I know I have both before...
For the $ MHP is the best value as far as I can tell.
I did get the MHP ecu upgrade on my car. Pulls like a train.. Much more tq than stock and certainly more than Kleeman or Renntech offered.. I know I have both before...
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To some of the comments - I agree that it appears to be a lot of money, but DadsC63 makes some very good points above.
It's also important to note - no one is charging "$10k for headers" to the best of my knowledge. AFAIK, only two tuners are making true, full SS long-tube headers for C63's; evosport and MHP. evo's are $6k, and require a mandatory $3k tune = $9k for headers and tune. MHP also charges $9k for headers + tune. Objectively, MHP's track results have been 6/10ths quicker and almost 5 mph faster through the 1/4 mi - that's to-date, obviously those results aren't static and will change as new personal bests are posted from both camps.
Renntech charges $8300 for shorty headers + tune. Kleemann charges $4k for shorty hi-flow manifolds + tune.
Kleemann's obviously the best "bang for your buck" - you'd probably see diminishing returns as you spend more $$$, but the absolute performance level seems to significantly jump when moving up to true LTs. Just depends on the goals of the customer...
I understand shop owners have overhead, and the real shops (like Kleemann and Renntech etc) who have real physical locations and real advertising/marketing budgets have to support that infrastructure. Understand, they are doing it with a $3k tunes and $6k headers sold to a sliver of the population they COULD sell to. They make the concious decision to cater to 1/100th of the population and deal with less people ie less customer service, less requests for info, less time/money spent servicing those customers.
Someone needs to see this GAPING hole in the marketplace, stand up, and say hey, I am going to be different. I'm going to charge $1500 for the headers that cost me 6 weeks of time in initial R&D and $600 in cash per set to develop instead of charging $6k. I'm going to develop a good tune in a weeks time, the same as everyone else's, and will flash ECU's for $500 a pop, not $3000.
Instead we get people who see short term dollars in being the flavor of the month and charging $6k for a set of headers in a me-too scenario.
Its a shame. We as enthusiasts are losing. Both the people who spend a 10x premium for parts, as well as those who choose not to.
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Prices
We should see headers for under 2K fairly soon because they are profitable at that price point. LT headers should be about 3K. We are already seeing tunes for 1.5 K which is about right.
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Here is the Kleeman price from Cory: K2: ECU programming, high flow manifolds, down pipes and cats: $3990.00.
Don't "high flow minifolds w/ down pipes"= long tube headers?
Don't "high flow minifolds w/ down pipes"= long tube headers?
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Compare pics here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...n-headers.html
vs. here:
https://mbworld.org/forums/engine-pe...ckage-c63.html
hhughes1 is your best resource for this direct comparo, as AFAIK he's the only one who's had both setups.
