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Am sorry, I see your point in ''function over form'', but those look like an off the shelf product of any normal exhaust Shop.
You have to also take into consideration the manufacturing costs with the final product you receive
I ask this because price determines how one should expect the product should be...
it is already well known that if you want power out of the 63 LT's are the way to go
so I ask again how much are these going for?
You have to also take into consideration the manufacturing costs with the final product you receive
I ask this because price determines how one should expect the product should be...
it is already well known that if you want power out of the 63 LT's are the way to go
so I ask again how much are these going for?
According to my understanding, the manufacturing costs of these products only factors partially into the selling price. Most of the money of the selling price is to regain the amount of time and money the vendors spent on R&D of these products. Just like all new products developed for a small market, the costs will be high because there is simply not enough returns to balance out the costs. Thus, the high selling prices of performance parts for our cars. If the C63 was a mass-produced car that sells as frequently as Toyota Camrys, then more vendors will jump into the mix to try and capture some of that huge market--thus, creating competition and lower prices for us buyers. But in the end, what truly matters is whether to products we buy performs according to or above our expectations.
As for pricing, please contact Andy at MHP for any inquiries.
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that may be the most coherent sentence ive read from you! haha ...im juss kidding, sort of
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Been out of town and didn't have a chance to reply until today, but congrats on the LTs! I'm glad they arrived in time for our dyno session. I hope the install goes smooth for you...or maybe you already have them on, but looking forward to reading your post install reactions
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Been out of town and didn't have a chance to reply until today, but congrats on the LTs! I'm glad they arrived in time for our dyno session. I hope the install goes smooth for you...or maybe you already have them on, but looking forward to reading your post install reactions
First of all, I wasn't there for the very first cold-start post-install, but I darn well wished I was! The guys at the shop said the sound was bouncing off all the walls and echoed in their ears so loudly that they had to turn it off almost immediately. But after it warms up, it's a very subdued. Then, when I feather the gas, it lets out the seductive growl that is oh-so-sexxy! And of course, WOT is fricken LOUD... BUT the sound is very thrilling and addictive from inside the cockpit. Outside the cockpit, however, that's an entirely different story. However, at cruising in Comfort mode or idling, you can't tell that it's modded. What I really LOVE is the fact that the car still retained some of that attractive throaty C63 exhaust note that we've all come to love...but this is only at partial throttle.
As for performance, man, I give it . All cars should come this way from the factory! On second thought, I take that back after reading that "C63 accident thread" from patrick. First gear pulls are so incredibly quick, you'll redline before your brain can register that flashing red display on your dash and tell your fingers (or hand) to react. Then 2nd gear goes by almost as quickly, but you won't be able to notice much because your brain will be in glued to the headrest. Third gear follows suit and by then, you will just realize that your mouth had been open the entire time. Fourth gear is the icing on the cake, because you'd invariably be at 120mph or more by then. When I was going from a dig in 1st with ESP off, the car fishtailed every single time.
And from a roll, the car just goes! Instant rocket booster! Honestly, the difference between this and just an ECU tune or stock is not even funny.
I want decibel readings or it's . Haha.
Seriously, though...cover your ears when these cars are on the dyno. No joke.
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The only drawback is that every law enforcement officer within 3 miles goes into active search mode whenever you nail it. This is not even a joke as my 9500ci gets many more signals after a quick burst of hyper drive.
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MHP posts 95-105 rwhp gains/60-65 rwtq gains...
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
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It's said that you should get the K2 tune with LTs. Don't know the differences between K1 and K2, timing, etc.., I guess. But I would be interested in what the K1 does with LTs as I have the K1.
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MHP posts 95-105 rwhp gains/60-65 rwtq gains...
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
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Welcome back! The installation went well and as for my post-install reactions... I give it:
First of all, I wasn't there for the very first cold-start post-install, but I darn well wished I was! The guys at the shop said the sound was bouncing off all the walls and echoed in their ears so loudly that they had to turn it off almost immediately. But after it warms up, it's a very subdued. Then, when I feather the gas, it lets out the seductive growl that is oh-so-sexxy! And of course, WOT is fricken LOUD... BUT the sound is very thrilling and addictive from inside the cockpit. Outside the cockpit, however, that's an entirely different story. However, at cruising in Comfort mode or idling, you can't tell that it's modded. What I really LOVE is the fact that the car still retained some of that attractive throaty C63 exhaust note that we've all come to love...but this is only at partial throttle.
As for performance, man, I give it . All cars should come this way from the factory! On second thought, I take that back after reading that "C63 accident thread" from patrick. First gear pulls are so incredibly quick, you'll redline before your brain can register that flashing red display on your dash and tell your fingers (or hand) to react. Then 2nd gear goes by almost as quickly, but you won't be able to notice much because your brain will be in glued to the headrest. Third gear follows suit and by then, you will just realize that your mouth had been open the entire time. Fourth gear is the icing on the cake, because you'd invariably be at 120mph or more by then. When I was going from a dig in 1st with ESP off, the car fishtailed every single time.
And from a roll, the car just goes! Instant rocket booster! Honestly, the difference between this and just an ECU tune or stock is not even funny.
If nrgy's car is exactly how it sounds in the Forza clip, then mine is a bit louder. But in real life, it may be a different story. Of course, catless will be louder than catted, but by how much...we'll see.
I want decibel readings or it's . Haha.
Seriously, though...cover your ears when these cars are on the dyno. No joke.
First of all, I wasn't there for the very first cold-start post-install, but I darn well wished I was! The guys at the shop said the sound was bouncing off all the walls and echoed in their ears so loudly that they had to turn it off almost immediately. But after it warms up, it's a very subdued. Then, when I feather the gas, it lets out the seductive growl that is oh-so-sexxy! And of course, WOT is fricken LOUD... BUT the sound is very thrilling and addictive from inside the cockpit. Outside the cockpit, however, that's an entirely different story. However, at cruising in Comfort mode or idling, you can't tell that it's modded. What I really LOVE is the fact that the car still retained some of that attractive throaty C63 exhaust note that we've all come to love...but this is only at partial throttle.
As for performance, man, I give it . All cars should come this way from the factory! On second thought, I take that back after reading that "C63 accident thread" from patrick. First gear pulls are so incredibly quick, you'll redline before your brain can register that flashing red display on your dash and tell your fingers (or hand) to react. Then 2nd gear goes by almost as quickly, but you won't be able to notice much because your brain will be in glued to the headrest. Third gear follows suit and by then, you will just realize that your mouth had been open the entire time. Fourth gear is the icing on the cake, because you'd invariably be at 120mph or more by then. When I was going from a dig in 1st with ESP off, the car fishtailed every single time.
And from a roll, the car just goes! Instant rocket booster! Honestly, the difference between this and just an ECU tune or stock is not even funny.
If nrgy's car is exactly how it sounds in the Forza clip, then mine is a bit louder. But in real life, it may be a different story. Of course, catless will be louder than catted, but by how much...we'll see.
I want decibel readings or it's . Haha.
Seriously, though...cover your ears when these cars are on the dyno. No joke.
Beware of your hearing.
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I wish I took some pictures of my headers before I had them installed but they were very well made and even just nice to look at out of the box.
These aren't mine, but for example:
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If I'm paying almost 5k for a set of headers I would hope they would look as good as they perform.
I wish I took some pictures of my headers before I had them installed but they were very well made and even just nice to look at out of the box.
These aren't mine, but for example:
I wish I took some pictures of my headers before I had them installed but they were very well made and even just nice to look at out of the box.
These aren't mine, but for example:
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MHP posts 95-105 rwhp gains/60-65 rwtq gains...
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
Are you guys seeing these numbers?
So, that means with a K1 tune, where I picked up about 45 rwhp and not much tq, I should expect another 50-60 whp and about the same tq (assuming the K1 tune "adjusts" nicely to the new hardware)?
If so, that means with a K1 tune and MHP LT headers, I should be throwing down near 470rwhp and 420rwtq--thats 570+ hp at the crank ?
That would be a great pickup for the money!
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The only difference between K1 tune and K2 tune is that K2 has the 02 sensor delete so you don't get any codes thrown on your dash from removing primary cats with their header package. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I'm usually not. lol
BTW decibels would be nice. I'm contemplating if the extra 500 for cats is worth it to decrease the noise just a tad or something more significant.
BTW decibels would be nice. I'm contemplating if the extra 500 for cats is worth it to decrease the noise just a tad or something more significant.
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So, you could get LTs, and hi flow primary cats(cost you a few hp/tq) and K1 tune should work...that would be nice. I tire of shipping my ECU.
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So if that is the only ECU difference, perhaps Kleemann would be willing to offer a very cheap upgrade...most of the K2 upgrade costs come from the headers, etc...
Cory, what would it cost to send an ECU back for an O2 sensor delete (w/o shipping of course)?
Cory, what would it cost to send an ECU back for an O2 sensor delete (w/o shipping of course)?
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The only difference between K1 tune and K2 tune is that K2 has the 02 sensor delete so you don't get any codes thrown on your dash from removing primary cats with their header package. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I'm usually not. lol
BTW decibels would be nice. I'm contemplating if the extra 500 for cats is worth it to decrease the noise just a tad or something more significant.
BTW decibels would be nice. I'm contemplating if the extra 500 for cats is worth it to decrease the noise just a tad or something more significant.
So, it would only be logical to deduce that the differences K1 and K2 maps are more than just a simple O2 CEL delete.
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The K2 map runs a more aggressive ignition timing map on cars with headers which isn't safe for the stock manifolds, but as long as you drive conservatively to your installing shop, you'll be OK. No wide open throttle runs, and no heavy acceleration from a stop.